Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Maybe Ethan can convince his simple minded audience that the mean dog lady Vikki is trying to cancel Simple Zack. He can take the Orwellian concept of the Two Minutes of Hate and stretch it out into a 5+ hour live stream, maybe he'll make 20k!

What he thought he was tipping for



What he's REALLY Tipping for

She's never gonna fuck you Bro

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Even now, EVS is EFAPing Zack's latest video at 2x speed just to pretend Zack is talking to him. In this video, Zack refers to the CG method of livestreaming the end of a campaign as a "Jerry Lewis telethon" and he's not interested, which Ethan rightly takes exception to, pointing out that this approach got Zack his only $400k campaign whereas now Zack is back at square one with a campaign that doesn't look like it'll break $30k.

Good for EVS. Somebody close to Zack needed to say it. Too bad he will never listen.

Zack is ashamed of the monster he created and rightfully so.

 

[Rupin]

Zack is ashamed of the monster he created and rightfully so.

too bad he can’t stand on his own merits.

 

[Captain Manning]

I think it’s a combination of Zack walking away from CG and him selling a shitty political comic. Which is the exact opposite of what he stood for in 2017.

No. It's just that most of CG said 'Enough' with Zak

Nah. EVS promoting your comic is still a surefire way to get backers. People just don't give a fuck about Zack anymore.

I concur with all of you.

I think the lawsuit broke Zack and, in turn, CG's faith in him took a really nasty blow. Surely I am not the only one who noticed he was never the same after the settlement with Waid.

 

[Miniluv]

I concur with all of you.

I think the lawsuit broke Zack and, in turn, CG's faith in him took a really nasty blow. Surely I am not the only one who noticed he was never the same after the settlement with Waid.

Nope. The comics and the YouTube content have all changed for the worse after he bent the knee to the biggest baby in the comics industry. Zack picked a battle and lost. He could have moved past it had he just dedicated himself to writing Jawbreakers and making lots of money in the process.

Zack is ashamed of the monster he created and rightfully so.

It seems that way. He's distanced himself from CG and Ethan. He's even distanced himself from Jawbreakers in favor of smaller books that don't matter. He isn't just refusing to dance with the one that brought him, he left the dance and is sleeping in his car.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

I concur with all of you.

I think the lawsuit broke Zack and, in turn, CG's faith in him took a really nasty blow. Surely I am not the only one who noticed he was never the same after the settlement with Waid.

It absolutely did. And he doesn't want to face people because of it. The thing is, No one in CG would have GAF'd if he actually LOST the case. But settling after all the rhetoric about fighting back etc., he didn't leave himself much of an out. So he shifted his perspective to "I don't need CG., Stopped doing livestreams and the one book that CGers WANTED. He pushed his supporters away with the one shot 'topical' nonsense...And thats just the message a lot of people received.

 

[Captain Manning]

Zack is ashamed of the monster he created and rightfully so.

Maybe, but damn if Ethan's marketing isn't on point. Had Zack not cucked, Ethan could be boosting to high heaven whatever crap Zack is looking to churn out. Unfortunately, Zack is so disliked now that I don't think even Ethan can help him much.

I don't think anybody really criticizes Ethan's ability to SELL books. It's the shipping part where everything derails.

The comics and the YouTube content have all changed for the worse after he bent the knee to the biggest baby in the comics industry. Zack picked a battle and lost.

In hindsight, he definitely shouldn't have filed the lawsuit in the first place. While what Waid did was bullshit, what happened with AP wasn't fatal to his brand. Zack cucking WAS.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Maybe, but damn if Ethan's marketing isn't on point. Had Zack not cucked, Ethan could be boosting to high heaven whatever crap Zack is looking to churn out. Unfortunately, Zack is so disliked now that I don't think even Ethan can help him much.

I don't think anybody really criticizes Ethan's ability to SELL books. It's the shipping part where everything derails.


In hindsight, he definitely shouldn't have filed the lawsuit in the first place. While what Waid did was bullshit, what happened with AP wasn't fatal to his brand. Zack cucking WAS.

I think it's more that no one TRUSTS Zak, not that they hate him. Mad at him for sure. But I cant imagine most people hate him.

EVS was ready to do a full court press publishing the next Jawbreakers. It would have been a half-million plus payday even with the Waid crap. THEN he backed out after EVS announced it and thats all she wrote. Trust gone forever. If he ever publishes it himself? Maybe 100K for the diehard/completists. After that I would guess he's done with comics. He's made noises to that direction a while now.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Thanks Ike.

So to sum up, since I took a vacation the tard warz have shifted.

Testify is (allegedly) dead

Nassar is team JDA

Vikki and Dean have broken up. RIP

Spectre has apparently decided to go full bore lolcow in on CG.

Maybe it's better to view this as more a War of the Turds situation?

It's kinda sad that CG was created to make great comics because DC & Marvel are dying from woke cancer. But CG is also cancer and great comics are nowhere to be found.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

It honestly baffles me where Zack has gone. I never would have thought this would happen in 2017/2018.

It baffles me even more that he still has a cult of followers. I just don't get how anyone could trust him after all the bullshit he has pulled the last two years. EVS might take forever on a comic, but at least he doesn't produce 3 other pieces of shit before getting it to you. Or is this a new cult that is only in it for his topical bullshit?

It's not that I just don't trust the guy, it's not that I just don't like this rushed topical bullshit. I actually feel *stupid* for ever supporting him at this point. And I have to think most people are in a similar boat.

 

[Miniluv]

If he ever publishes it himself? Maybe 100K for the diehard/completists. After that I would guess he's done with comics. He's made noises to that direction a while now.

I think Zack is in kind of an untenable position which leads to him completely leaving comics.

He is, for all practical purposes, not involved in ComicsGate anymore. The problem is his audience is CG. He doesn't promote outside of his channel, partially because he genuinely doesn't want to and I also suspect it's because he realizes promoting anything outside of CG circles would be next to impossible. This is because Zack knows he will always be seen as the autist who sits in his car screaming about superheroes, tearing up comics, and calling women cum dumpsters. He's always going to be the guy with the shitty haircut who Jim Jefferies made look like a grade-A dickhead on national TV.

He can never rid himself of the stink of being CGs godfather and thus a misogynist, racist, transphobic neo-Nazi. He knows there is no forgiveness, even if he publicly disavows CG in general or Ethan specifically. I'm very sure he wouldn't do that, but that's the carrot that would be dangled from outside parties if Richard went sniffing around for non-CG success.

He doesn't want to be ComicsGate but he has nothing without ComicsGate. His only real choices are embrace CG and give his shrinking audience something they actually want in a timely manner and making himself a ton of money in the process OR continue the way he's going, making shit nobody cares about, watching his campaigns make less money every time until he finally does what comes naturally and gives up.

 

[Rupin]

Comic book hut says he’s doing a book. How well do you think it will do?
His shtic is that people are tired of late crowdfunded books and he will make sure his is on time.

 

[A Man on Fire]

I think the lawsuit broke Zack and, in turn, CG's faith in him took a really nasty blow. Surely I am not the only one who noticed he was never the same after the settlement with Waid.

Lawsuits are awful, as a lone individual against Waid he had zero chance. I think all of us should have recognized that.

Maybe, but damn if Ethan's marketing isn't on point.

@FROG is a Pro’s pro. He knows the business inside, out, and through, his insight on CG, anti-CH, and mainstream comics is invaluable.

I think it's more that no one TRUSTS Zak, not that they hate him. Mad at him for sure. But I cant imagine most people hate him.

Zack isn’t a pro, he’s barely a journeyman, more of a committed hobbyist. I bought two of his books, they were ok, but I didn’t need nothing more. His commentary has served to document the death of the comics industry.

It's kinda sad that CG was created to make great comics because DC & Marvel are dying from woke cancer. But CG is also cancer and great comics are nowhere to be found.

It’s sad the Internet was created so we could archive the idiocy created by morons.

It honestly baffles me where Zack has gone. I never would have thought this would happen in 2017/2018.

I’m proud of Zack. I think he did his bit and I hope he’s living his best life.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I’m proud of Zack. I think he did his bit and I hope he’s living his best life.

I'm not so mad at the guy that I wish him ill, I just honestly can't comprehend how he still has a following unless they're all new people.

Zack has done such a 180 on his ideas and what he produced. And I just don't get why.

 

[Captain Manning]

I'm not so mad at the guy that I wish him ill, I just honestly can't comprehend how he still has a following unless they're all new people.

It's likely the opposite. People are nostalgic for old Zack, so they continue to support him. It's inertia.

Comic book hut says he’s doing a book. How well do you think it will do?
His shtic is that people are tired of late crowdfunded books and he will make sure his is on time.

He wants to be @NasserRabadi13?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

It's likely the opposite. People are nostalgic for old Zack, so they continue to support him. It's inertia.

Oh, that makes me sad but you're right. I sometimes forget to apply internet lolcow celeb logic to this.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

It's so weird to see people turn their back on easy money, but YBZ is getting up there so maybe he's content with making just enough to stay above water with a little left over for breakfast tacos. (Lord knows I'd eat at Denny's every night if I could afford it.) Did he ever explain why he won't do the Jawbreakers thing with Lord of the Pies?

 

[FluffyJackal]

It's not just about the glowing part. Rugg also made a version using a muted form of the same palette on paper resembling old newsprint. It wasn't just that Rugg wanted to make a blacklight reactive comic, he wanted the book to visually evoke the counterculture of the 70s. He drew Octobriana with that color scheme in mind, which is why he used such thick lines and heavy blacks.

Zack just thought it looked neat so he ripped it off. In the video he made explaining 499's color change, he shows a part of Rugg's process zine where Rugg lays out the exact palette he used for Octobriana and Zack straight up says he just used the color picker in Clip Studio to duplicate it. The part he forgot about was using heavy blacks. Narwhal doesn't use a heavy line or really much black at all in his work so the shit looked weird because it wasn't drawn to look like that. Zack said since the story featured teenagers, he thought the colors conveyed a sense of immaturity. This is probably just Zack boomering and identifying teen culture as it was in the late 80s and early 90s when everything was fluorescent/neon/radical.

In short, Rugg put thought into the colors and Zack didn't.

To be fair, Zack's garish neon colors do evoke the 80s, The problem is that he's become so creatively bankrupt that he admits he just ripped off Rugg's color palette. He cannot even create a half-decent lie to try to justify his color scheme post-facto instead of admitting he's simply aping a more talented and experienced artist because palette purrty.

Zack is ashamed of the monster he created and rightfully so.

I'm under the impression he started to distance himself from the group around the time of the Frog/Smiller split and the subsequent infighting with WC.

It baffles me even more that he still has a cult of followers.

The same way DC/Marvel consoomers keep buying insanely awful and even offensive comic books just because it's the same title they've been buying without interruption since 5, 25, 45, etc... years ago

In hindsight, he definitely shouldn't have filed the lawsuit in the first place. While what Waid did was bullshit, what happened with AP wasn't fatal to his brand. Zack cucking WAS.

Not to justify Meyer at all, but hasn't Waid completely dialed down his "strong protect the weak" bullshit attitude after he was hit with the lawsuit, and hasn't postured much ever since?

 

[Fleetwood]

It's so weird to see people turn their back on easy money, but YBZ is getting up there so maybe he's content with making just enough to stay above water with a little left over for breakfast tacos. (Lord knows I'd eat at Denny's every night if I could afford it.) Did he ever explain why he won't do the Jawbreakers thing with Lord of the Pies?

I think the deal was he had to live stream regularly and fulfil all his outstanding campaigns without starting more new ones before he could get that printing/distro deal. Not wanting to be dependent on others or be part of the livestream shitshow I can maybe see but then he does stuff like refund his patreon which is practically free money. Nobody in CG has an optimal business but the spiritual leader Meyer elevates the rest by his stupid self-martyrdom. Simple Zack is an hero to look down to.

 

[A nameless trool]

Let me rephrase my 3 CGs theory:
There is the EVS GC proper, which is the ugly mob tuning in and superchatting their daily 5 hour long 2 minutes of hate. This is where (and around) all the quality lolmilk is being made and also there are subdivisions like slumtown CG and anti-CG.

Then there is OGCG which is mostly people burned out on modern comics that don't consider themselves part of EVSCG. Zach fans, stans and followers are here. Other creators in OGCG are JSG
and the Kamen America guys. Also, I get the impression that the same audience is more into Perch or Cartoonist Kayfabe (that are not CG) than EVS and mostly ignore the latest CG drama.

Finally, there is an evershifting tide of CG-adjacent channels like Thinking Critical, Clownfish TV, Razorfist, Mister H etc. Mostly people that are anti-woke/conservatives and critical of the comicbook industry without identifying as CG.

The way I see it (and I watch most of YBZ videos eitherway) is that he has JB 4 almost done but he cannot do a crowdfunding campaign about it because he was yet to ship Grand Bizarre. So he is doing a lot of fast campaigns to get some money flowing in.
His latest Theosophy book barely breaking even should give him a hint to focus on Jawbreakers and maybe streamline his output to two JB books a year.
And finally do a "Jawbreakers hunt a guy who stole a TV" as he always tells us that superhero comics should be about, instead of conjuring an epic meta cosmic Jawbreakers franchise like he is Scott Snyder writing Batman...

too bad he can’t stand on his own merits.

YBZ is not half-bad as a writer. He could have been a guy writing work-for-hire scripts in Marvel for lower sales titles and made a career out of it. He has a wild imagination and can do some funny banter.
His main problem is that he is too pig-headed to listen to his editor. If he let somebody edit his work into shape his comics would be better.
I have met some writers like that, some way more talented than YBZ and it is kinda hard to work with them or read their stuff because of it. The reason his books are awful but have a cult following is this exactly.
Him not making a career in comics has less to do with his politics or gender or skin colour and more with him being a nightmare to work with.

PS: The Waid case.
I get the impression that the lolsuit (I would love the judge to read YBZ statement of hims being a "lifelong comicbook fan", look at him and say "What a nerd") was like the US and Russia posturing about their nuclear arsenals but never pressing the button because it would be a mutually assured destruction:
They both burned a ton of money in lawers, discovery might have unearthed a lot of embarassing facts for either of them, YBZ actually made more money than he could despite being kicked of AP so his case might have been dismissed and Mark Waid went from writing A-tier Marvel comics to trying to fix Ignited.
Settling it was better for both in the end and shielded a lot of CGers from getting similar attempts at getting deplatformed.

YBZ took the lolsuit for CG to make its first steps and CG is blaming him for it.