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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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This whole war is a dangerous game, but its the game Putin chose to play.

ehhhh...let's not forget this war didn't start 3 weeks ago.

If anybody remembers how we got here, it's because the US fomented a coup in Ukraine in 2014, put our guy in power there, and ensured they rewrote the Ukrainian Constitution to make NATO expansion all but guaranteed, which Russia has viewed as a direct threat to their security for 25 years. So we poked the bear, with Ukrainian fingers.

This is why it's no surprise that Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 under Obama (immediately following the coup), and again after Biden took over to stir up shit again. Ukraine was not invaded while Trump was President, since Ukraine did not feel safe in poking the bear then.

Why did Ukraine push Russia under Obama and Biden, but not under Trump? However you feel about this war, is that not evidence of US political involvement?
 
This whole war is a dangerous game, but its the game Putin chose to play.

One the few things Ukraine can leverage over Russia is the potential of direct NATO intervention if the Russians take a bridge too far. So he's going to keep that card in play for as long as possible.
I don't disagree. We all know Russia/Putin chose to do these things but the other side has to be more responsible in handling to offset Putin's disregard in this case, it's not fair, but that's how the real world works. Nato standing as an over watch isn't a bad thing it's what I was hoping would happen, that way there isn't just US covering Ukraine but multiple countries/orgs.
 
You mean the Ukrainian people threw out a Russian stooge, and took steps to secure their independence after Russia subsequently invaded and took Crimea?

Russia took Crimea after the coup. The coup was not a result of the invasion, the invasion was the result of the coup...which coincidentally installed a very pro-US (totally not a stooge) government. Read the transcripts.

Or maybe the CIA really is the good guys, I dunno.
 
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Russia took Crimea after the coup. The coup was not a result of the invasion, the invasion was the result of the coup...which coincidentally installed a very pro-US (totally not a stooge) government. Read the transcripts.

Or maybe the CIA really is the good guys, I dunno.

The Ukrainian people accepted the pro-American government while protesting against the pro-Russian one.

Try again. The CIA were the angels in that particular quagmire.
 
The hyperbole is understandable. But using the Holocaust comparisons, to the Israeli Knesset, were ill advised. Especially given his peoples actual history of joining the SS. (For context the Wehrmacht was restricted from recruiting foreign troops in captured lands. SS units had no such restrictions. So most foreigners recruited to fight for Germany, that were not part of pre-existing Military units, such as the French, had to join SS Battalions. And the Ukrainians were quite on board with fighting Russians)
If I were him, I would have brought up the Holodomor.
In regards to the analogy it's not that it's way to far off the mark in comparison terms, but after seeing analogies similar to Jan 6th, and comparing everything to 9/11-/etc. It start to feel greatly exaggerated.
Well sure, but the News and Democrats were comparing a bunch of guys trashing Congress with two causalities to thousands of civilians dead. That's a lot more disrespectful, and telling of how they view themselves vs. us, than Zelenskyy comparing a military invasion to it. I get that it comes off as disingenuous and manipulative, but people are dying in Ukraine because of this war. So I recognize that he's comparing trauma because for a lot Ukrainians, this is practically the worst time of their lives.
When I said "sore-winner" it's more the rhetoric in this case towards Russia in making some provocations, it's quite clear Russia has majorly screwed up even if it does end up "winning the war" it's been damaged severely (optics wise, literally, and metaphorically) that a victory at this point would be short lived.
I can see where you're coming from, but I feel a man in his situation is going to have do whatever it takes to win a war. I can't remember if I said this or not, but you don't win a war by being nice about it. I agree that a Russian victory would be a Pyrrhic one, but I think Zelenskyy recognizes if Ukraine falls he and members of his party are going to die. There's a lot of anxiety with each day even if they are performing surprisingly well.
 
Well sure, but the News and Democrats were comparing a bunch of guys trashing Congress with two causalities to thousands of civilians dead. That's a lot more disrespectful, and telling of how they view themselves vs. us, than Zelenskyy comparing a military invasion to it. I get that it comes off as disingenuous and manipulative, but people are dying in Ukraine because of this war. So I recognize that he's comparing trauma because for a lot Ukrainians, this is practically the worst time of their lives.

I can see where you're coming from, but I feel a man in his situation is going to have do whatever it takes to win a war. I can't remember if I said this or not, but you don't win a war by being nice about it. I agree that a Russian victory would be a Pyrrhic one, but I think Zelenskyy recognizes if Ukraine falls he and members of his party are going to die. There's a lot of anxiety with each day even if they are performing surprisingly well.
That's fair to compare the traumas I don't see a direct issue with comparing them to previous wars and conflicts in its own regard.

I don't think Ukraine should be nice by no means, that's what I meant by puffing their chests and standing up to Putin/Russia. It's more or less when you're in modern war times similar to online debates you're catering to an audience when you push out rhetoric and or speak. It's not using any advantage to win that's the issue, it's how you win in essence. It's what captures hearts and morale of people who otherwise may not support you in the long run. It sounds absurd in such a hectic situation but could be a life saver long term or draw the most support. The more mistakes or bad takes you do the more people will start to look at the situation on one side disfavor-ably changing it from favoring a group to seeing both as an issue. Generally you want to maintain positive optics ,early conflict it's understandable to make a lot of bad claims and mistaken comments because you're heavily pressurized and in a "out-of-your-control" scenario, but after a bit it should stabilize.

In essence, you can be on the right side, be fully in the right, and still be the wrong person on that "correct/right" side.
 
Yes, quite a coincidence that Joe Biden was VP then and President now, bookending the coup of 2014 and the war of 2022. I wonder why Biden seems so attached to Ukraine, quite a coincidence.

Nothing to see here, tune into cable news for your daily programming. Keep calm and carry on...

Again, tell me which government did the Ukrainians accept? The pro-Russian one or the pro-American one? The Ukrainians protested against the former, and they're now fighting to the death for the latter.

Try again.
 
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Again, tell me which government did the Ukrainians accept? The pro-Russian one or the pro-American one?

Well, they actually voted for the government that ended up being overthrown in a coup. The government installed after the coup was, well, installed. Also, if this was some totally grassroots Ukrainian democracy why did they rewrite the Constitution after they illegally overthrew the democratically elected government, only to put the US proxy puppet in power? That seems legit to you?

If China financed and fomented a coup in Mexico and installed a pro-Chinese government there, I can promise you we would be rolling tanks into Juarez by sunset.

Large powers are not going to accept their enemies installing proxy government on their doorstep. This is how you guarnatee war. It was fucking stupid for the US to meddle in Ukraine and now thousands of innocent people are dead.
 
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Well, they actually voted for the government that ended up being overthrown in a coup. The government installed after the coup was, well, installed. Also, if this was some totally grassroots Ukrainian democracy why did they rewrite the Constitution after they illegally overthrew the democratically elected government, only to put the US proxy puppet in power? That seems legit to you?

If China financed and fomented a coup in Mexico and installed a pro-Chinese government there, I can promise you we would be rolling tanks into Juarez by sunset.

Large powers are not going to accept their enemies installing proxy government on their doorstep. This is how you guarnatee war. It was fucking stupid for the US to meddle in Ukraine and now thousands of innocent people are dead.


Again, the truth shows otherwise. The CIA backed the coup against a Ukrainian government that was shutting down protestors who wanted their nation to join the west. The pro-American Ukraine government now has the support of the people and civilians are picking up guns to fight for it.

The Ukrainians protested against the pro-Russian puppet regime, and are fighting to the death on behalf of the pro-American one. If what you say is true, the Ukrainians should have welcomed the Russian army as a liberating force, instead of fighting against it tooth and nail.

Try again.
 
I forgot, can you remind me if shutting down your opponents is good or bad? I can't seem to keep track..

I'll give you this, at least you're engaging and trying to argue your point. Unlike that coward @secret watcher lol
Maybe if you actually addressed the fact that the pro-Russian Ukraine government had the people protesting against it while they're fighting for the pro-American one, we can actually move on.

Also, again, the parties he shut down were pro-Muslim and pro-Communist parties. So which one is the based one here? The one chimping about Nazis and sending Muslim soldiers into a European country? Really?
 



This might be the most random side effect of the flurry of sanctions and shit on Russia I've seen. Apparently he's already said he won't bother appealing because he knows it'll be pointless, but the Russian Chess Federation have said they'll appeal on his behalf. Interestingly another Russian grandmaster was found not guilty of breaching the same code of ethics partly because what he said was of a "slightly different and less provacative character" but also partly coz he's kind of a nobody by comparison so less people would have seen his shit.

the way I heard it, he wasn't banned as a person but as a rep for Russia and could still compete somehow under neutral flag ... not 100% on this though


This is a good vid about Putin's 3rd yacht, it has English CCs and comes from Navalny people. Just in terms of the lean, Navalny isn't exactly pro-Ukrainian at all, in fact his stand on Crimea (keeping it) did not made him any friends in Ukraine.

But it's a good vid, especially that in the latest rant Putin was criticizing pseudo patriots choosing rotten EU over motherland country ... and choosing Italy himself. lol.

 
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