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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I would think a lot of Russians would have left already if they could have. Immigration isn't really as simple as a lot of people make it out to be unless countries create special exceptions. The US has a fairly deranged setup with how it allows illegal immigration that I think warps a lot of peoples' perception of how immigration is done.

NFKRZ did a video about how he left Russia and commented on how it isn't like he can get a visa to stay in Germany or some place like that too easily so he instead went to Georgia. A brain drain of Russia would probably be fairly easy to enable, but it'd require countries to allow pretty much any Russian to come on in if they so desire which I think many countries are against since it's hard enough dealing with what migrants they already have.
There's been a steady brain drain for years already. Anyone with the means moves to a better country, it's a, uh... no-brainer.
 
You're late, faggot. This happened nearly a month ago.

And you seem to be conveniently forgetting that none of these measures would be necessary if their country wasn't getting invaded from every angle by a hostile neighbor. Everything you see happening in Ukraine is Putin's fault and none of your pathetic attempts to paint Russians as liberators will convince anyone that isn't already thoroughly brainwashed

Read what I replied to (it's quoted, so even a retard can figure it out) and you will see what that comment was directly in response to. If you need me to make it simpler, just let me know. I've worked with special needs kids before, so I know the routine.
 
Read what I replied to (it's quoted, so even a retard can figure it out) and you will see what it is directly in response to. If you need me to make it simpler, just let me know. I've worked with special needs kids before, so I know the routine.

My point still stands you fucking sped. Ukraine wouldn't need to restrict the movement of their fighting age population if they weren't being invaded

I'm going to screencap your original post so I can hold it over your head and mock you when Russia inevitably closes their borders and forces their population to enter total war mode
 
“Ukrainian border guards undress you and touch you everywhere,” Judis says. “You can see on their faces they’re wondering ‘what are you?’ like you’re some kind of animal or something.”
“Afterwards, one of the guards said, ‘you’re a guy, so get the hell out of here’, and told me I should be grateful they didn’t call the police, even though I have a legally valid document that states I am female.
“‘Go to the war’, they replied, adding that more than 3 million people had already fled the country and they weren’t going to let me out.”
Based.
 
My point still stands

So you are retarded. All good buddy, I can break down for you why it was funny. So your classmate responded to me with this gem:

""It's funny that a "democratically elected government" has to clamp down on its own people, whereas the pro-American Ukraine government has the support OF the people who voted to abandon neutrality and to join NATO. And now, they're fighting and dying on the ground so that they can become part of the West.""

To which I cheekily responded with:


So why is this funny? Well see, the above poster was trying to make it sound like the previous Ukrainian government had to force their citizens to do something (implying the government didn't have their support and was therefore illegitimate), without realizing that the current government ALSO had to clamp down on their own people just a few weeks ago. Which would mean the current government is also somehow illegitimate, at least under their logic.

Hope that helps. Try not to pull a muscle typing out your next response. You seem angry. This is just words on a screen pumpkin, relax.
 
I used to joke that these people were on Kremlin payroll but the uncomfortable fact is that Kiwifarms is banned in Russia

There's no monetary compensation. These people are simping for a murderous dictator FOR FREE. How pathetic is that?

That's basic strategy also used by China but on more industrial scale, i.e. shaping public opinion through their shills who recruit more influencers into the circle jerk, but fakes and agenda are distributed from a single source on top.

Poland just sent 45 Russian diplomats packing

they also found a Polish spy working for Moscow. They are not stealing nuke secrets, a lot of spy work is connected to hybrid warfare.

People like Butina were paid, so were the Cambridge (US) couple that got kicked out, but they all networked and pushed solid agenda.

Pretty sure the Russian wumao party is allowed to circumvent restrictions to shitpost.

That being said, those, who are not ethnically Russian and/or don't have any ties to Russia and simp for Russia are a combination of a bored housewife and a rebellious teenager. They must be edgy and moralize at the same time.

With the string of soft/weak top leadership in states, a lot of burgers crave stronk leader. There are not many US gun forums, but the cult of stronk leader is strong on all of them. I would almost say that many who voted Trump were also pro Russia before the war. It may be different now, but some people simply want a tsar to rule them.
 
Again, that's what happens when a country GETS INVADED. Didn't a democratically-elected American government also use draftees for its military all the way up to Vietnam?

Context? What's that? Something that your brain obviously missed in this situation.

So why is this funny? Well see, the above poster was trying to make it sound like the previous Ukrainian government had to force their citizens to do something (implying the government didn't have their support and was therefore illegitimate), without realizing that the current government ALSO had to clamp down on their own people just a few weeks ago. Which would mean the current government is also somehow illegitimate, at least under their logic.

Hope that helps. Try not to pull a muscle typing out your next response. You seem angry. This is just words on a screen pumpkin, relax.
There's also the fact that even aside from that rule, many Ukrainians are VOLUNTEERING to fight. Meanwhile, they fought against the pro-Russian government they once had, and prior to the war, the Ukrainian people VOTED to become part of NATO.

Try again.

Yeah for sure. Russian propaganda somehow manages to appeal to retards on both sides of the extreme political horseshoe. Never in my life did I expect to see unironic Tankies and Nazis come together to support an issue but they both seem to be in a competition to see who can fondle Putin's balls the hardest

Commies think they're fighting the capitalist system. /pol/ thinks they're fighting globohomo
They're both wrong but it's facinating to see them agree on something. It's like watching one of those retard weddings.

Of course no normal person cares about these weird fringe political theories. The simple truth is that if you're living in the west and you support Russia it's statistically likely that you're a loser in real life
Exactly. Many of these people have never been truly wronged, they just feel insecure and rally around such idiotic causes because it gives them purpose. The wannabe-Commie lives in a comfortable neighborhood and chugs Starbucks coffee, the white supremacist complaining about welfare money going to illegals lives in the mostly-white South that takes up the largest amount of welfare money from the Federal coffers, etc..

I used to joke that these people were on Kremlin payroll but the uncomfortable fact is that Kiwifarms is banned in Russia

There's no monetary compensation. These people are simping for a murderous dictator FOR FREE. How pathetic is that?
Because they don't have a real cause in their life to support. That's how pathetic it is. They simp for a government that conscripts men into an army where they are tortured and raped, a government that years for the old Communist days when they were a superpower. At least China's Wu Mao are paid for every post they make. These idiots get nothing, and they still simp for a government that, if they lived in it, would leave them to rot in squalor in some desolate hell filled with apartment blocks and little else, or conscript them into an army where they get to be Big Ivan's punching bag/butt-slave.

Pretty sure the Russian wumao party is allowed to circumvent restrictions to shitpost.

That being said, those, who are not ethnically Russian and/or don't have any ties to Russia and simp for Russia are a combination of a bored housewife and a rebellious teenager. They must be edgy and moralize at the same time.
I can see the Russians giving VPNs to some people and paying them to post pro-Russian stuff, but I highly doubt that's the case for most Russia simps on the internet.

Most of them are a combination of white nationalists, traditionalists, and edgy teens who want to simp for "based" Russia, despite the fact that its economic disparity and moral depravity make the West look pristine by comparison.
 
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So you are retarded. All good buddy, I can break down for you why it was funny. So your classmate responded to me with this gem:



To which I cheekily responded with:



So why is this funny? Well see, the above poster was trying to make it sound like the previous Ukrainian government had to force their citizens to do something (implying the government didn't have their support and was therefore illegitimate), without realizing that the current government ALSO had to clamp down on their own people just a few weeks ago. Which would mean the current government is also somehow illegitimate, at least under their logic.

Hope that helps. Try not to pull a muscle typing out your next response. You seem angry. This is just words on a screen pumpkin, relax.
He's totally not mad guys. Every word of this post is thinly concealed rage but he's totally not mad

Again, if you're trying to paint Zelensky as a dictator in the same manner as Putin then you're failing miserably. It might come as a shock, but mobilization is pretty standard procedure when countries are being invaded by their bigger neighbors. ANY OTHER COUNTRY would have done the same. Meanwhile Russia just straight up abuses their population and tramples on their rights for no reason other than money, profit, and schizo Soviet nostalgia. If this is the best you Putinsimps have then you must really be getting desperate

If the Ukie government really didn't have the support of their populace like the Kremlin wants you to believe then it 100% would have fallen after nearly a month of fighting yet the Russian's haven't even been able to take Kyiv which is only like a days drive from the border with Belarus
 
brah, .... elected government = president + parliament

Yanuk left to Russia on his own, called Russian troops to invade and pacify localized protests that were way smaller than 2022 Kazahstan. It was a dumb move even for Russians. Read Yanuk bio ... he is a hat snatcher - thief who was convicted three times and did time, a felon and a dumb dude even among other dumb criminals. His decisions and instinct to run at first noise made it possible.

The whole parliament stayed as it was.

Try to reconcile facts a little at a time, in your head.
As I said before, Putin and his buddies seem to follow a similar line; they're all crooks, the people would sooner drop them on their ass if they could, and they all make horrible mistakes that would get them killed if this were the Middle Ages, where bad kings can get overthrown by rivals, and Byzantine Emperors who make lolcow decisions get their heads cut off by their own subjects.

Someone needs to remind @Unarmed Gunman that the so-called "democratically elected" pro-Russian leader of Ukraine was just as much a crook as his puppetmaster in the Kremlin.

Russia pumps natural resources, some factories assemble things, but manipulating 1s and 0s is the ultimate markup economy. All you need is a bunch of smart dudes and pipeline of Mt Dew and you can get people working for practically Western salaries and living in third world countries.

By guestimates, 50-70 thousands of IT dudes already left to Armenia (friendly to Russia but no sanctions) and Georgia (not friendly to Russia) and already started to annoy locals. That's going to be a huge hit for Russian economy tax wise. You have a cash cow that costs nothing to maintain, but produces steady stream of cash in decent amounts.
Russia's brain drain has been going on for years, and these sanctions just sped things up. As I said before, industrious and intelligent Russians with no oligarch ties have no choice but to go abroad, because they can't compete with monopolies. Back then, said monopolies were enforced by the Russian mob, now, they're enforced by the Russian state:


sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit, if there was one sore spot ..... If any one read Jack London ... the bad blood runs superdeep going as far back as anyone remembers. But certainly in the last 100 years we got Polish-Soviet war trying to expand communism that Poles fought tooth and nail, the betrayal and butchery of 20'000+ Polish POWs by Stalin, the betrayal and subsequent mental rape of Poland ... and those are big ones.

Of course who can forget Russians literally blew up the plane of Polish pres, his wife, 20 parliament members and high ranking military . ... basically, I have no idea why would russophobia exist in Poland. It's like the russian neighbors hate Russia for no reason at all, those damned nazis!
That's why pro-Putin Poles are usually people who live in America, or people who keep their opinions to themselves in Poland. If Poles heard you simping for Russia out in the open, 7 times out of 10, they'll tear you to shreds or never speak to you ever again.
 
@LORD IMPERATOR How about we both acknowledge that the Ukrainian people are not a monolith. What the people in Kyiv or the rest of Western Ukraine support now, or before 2014 - is not the same as what the people of Crimea and the Donbas region support. Russia had (and has) support in many of those areas, and is hated in much of the rest. You can't ascribe a single motivation for "The People of Ukraine" no matter how bad you would like to.

Because this back and forth has gotten old, and I'm sort of over it.

And @Almighty MoeBro Nation I'm not comparing Zelensky to Putin. I pointed out that he has banned all males from leaving the country, banned all opposition parties and locked down all non-state approved media. That is dictatorial by definition. It doesn't make Putin non-dictatorial. It just means Zelensky is a fake ass dictator in the guise of a hero because CNN wants your eyeballs. The propaganda surrounding this authoritarian turd is fucking insane.
 
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@LORD IMPERATOR How about we both acknowledge that the Ukrainian people are not a monolith. What the people in Kyiv or the rest of Western Ukraine support now, or before 2014 - is not the same as what the people of Crimea and the Donbas region support. Russia had (and has) support in many of those areas, and is hated in much of the rest. You can't ascribe a single motivation for "The People of Ukraine" no matter how bad you would like to.

Because this back and forth has gotten old, and I'm sort of over it.
Again, if what you say is true, then Putin's predictions would have come true, and the people would have welcomed the Russians as liberators. And even if Zelensky drafted them into his army, they'd just go forth towards the Russian positions.....and defect. Kind of like what the Irish did in Bravehart, when they were ordered to charge at the Scots by the English, and they joined the Scots instead. Instead, the majority of Ukrainians who chose to stay, chose to fight against the Russians, whereas cities close to the east are also resisting Russia to the very end, instead of just flatlining and welcoming their Russian "liberators".

And again, you're the one who started this nonsense and kept on ragging about the "democratically elected" government that the CIA supposedly overthrew, to try and paint the pro-Russian faction as the one having the will of the people. Don't whine about playing a game you're losing.
 
They invaded with some 200k soldiers. The fatality figures are between 7-14k, at this point I would not be surprised if the Ukrainian figures were somewhat close to the truth - but we will never know. Take into account fatality-casualty ratios, you can add at the very minimum another 2 times the number of deaths, probably 3 or more though, as casualties. So what, they could be short 30-60k of their original invasion force. Added to this, most of the losses would be sustained by their combat arms, their infantry, paratroopers, marines as they would have been in the thick of it. Even if Russia do want to reinforce them, they have already committed 75% of their high readiness units. Throwing in more with the fucked up logistics would probably achieve little, throwing in their lower quality soldiers would achieve only their deaths.
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I know it's not dead on, but it's close. Therefore I will allow myself this smug post for my prediction being in line with NATOs.
 
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There's been a steady brain drain for years already. Anyone with the means moves to a better country, it's a, uh... no-brainer.
While true, it could be made much easier if governments wanted to actively force more of a brain drain. Plus there is the problem that some politicians want to force Russians back to Russia.

For instance, Eric Swalwell floated the idea of kicking all Russian students out of the US.
On Thursday, California Congressman Eric Swalwell—best, and yet least, remembered as an also-ran in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary —appeared on CNN to recommend a set of sanctions against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. “Frankly, I think closing their embassy in the United States, kicking every Russian student out of the United States⁠—those should all be on the table,” he said. “Vladimir Putin needs to know every day that he is in Ukraine, there are more severe options that could come.”
There's also reports of the Russians at the southern border of the US are being denied entry while Ukrainians are.
Mike said he and the other Russians gathered here want the same access Ukrainians are getting, though Ukrainians are being allowed into the U.S. for humanitarian reasons following Russia’s attack on their country.

Mike, who claims his mother is Ukrainian, says they, too, are war refugees fleeing Russia’s policy toward Ukraine and anti-government protesters.
So while many are actively trying to get out, there are efforts to actively prevent them from doing so. The US could be doing things like offering temporary protected status to Russians the way it's done for Ukrainians, but even that actually bars those that come in AFTER March 1st from getting that status.
Individuals eligible for TPS under this designation must have continuously resided in the United States since March 1, 2022. Individuals who attempt to travel to the United States after March 1, 2022 will not be eligible for TPS.
I guess my point is that while the people with the means to get out of Russia are doing so, there's still the problem that countries aren't necessarily creating the means for others to do the same.
Edit: Retarded shit from people like Swalwell annoys me.
 
if what you say is true, then Putin's predictions would have come true, and the people would have welcomed the Russians as liberators.
Like they did in Crimea?

Or are you saying Crimea isn't part of Ukraine? Same goes for the current situation in Luhansk region and most of Donetsk (other than Mariupol). Or do those Ukrainians opinions not count either?

Like I said, you can't pretend all Ukrainians support Zelensky. They are not a monolith.

And it's cute that you think the US had nothing at all to do with 2014 or the new government, despite literal transcripts that prove otherwise. And yes, the transcript was confirmed as legit by the US, so no reason to lie about that either.
 
Like they did in Crimea?

Or are you saying Crimea isn't part of Ukraine? Same goes for the current situation in Luhansk region and most of Donetsk (other than Mariupol). Or do those Ukrainians opinions not count either?

Like I said, you can't pretend all Ukrainians support Zelensky. They are not a monolith.

And it's cute that you think the US had nothing at all to do with 2014 or the new government, despite literal transcripts that prove otherwise. And yes, the transcript was confirmed as legit by the US, so no reason to lie about that either.
>Crimea
Literally a referendum at gunpoint, nevermind the Russian boomer contigent.
>Lugansk and Donetsk
Not all of Lugansk and not all of Donetsk. I happen to remember seeing a car with Rostov-on-Don number plates near my hometown main square every time we had a gathering in my hometown. First they were cheering for Yanukovich, then the whole faggoty people's republic shit started in full force.

How much of a disingenuous faggot are you?
 

Putin Adviser Chubais Quits Over Ukraine War and Leaves Russia​

  • Respected longtime reformer had been Kremlin’s climate envoy
  • Few senior insiders have gone public opposing invasion

Russian climate envoy Anatoly Chubais has stepped down and left the country, citing his opposition to President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, according to two people familiar with the situation, becoming the highest-level official to break with the Kremlin over the invasion.
Chubais, 66, is one of the few 1990s-era economic reformers who’d remained in Putin’s government and had maintained close ties with Western officials. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Known as the architect of Russia’s 1990s privatizations, Chubais gave Putin his first Kremlin job in the mid-1990s and initially welcomed his rise to power at the end of that decade. Under Putin, Chubais took top jobs at big state companies until the president named him envoy for sustainable development last year.

Since the war, the government has stepped up pressure on domestic critics of the invasion. Putin warned on March 16 that he would cleanse Russia of the “scum and traitors” he accuses of working covertly for the U.S. and its allies. Facing economic meltdown, the Russian leader accused the West of wanting to destroy Russia.
“Any people, and particularly the Russian people, will always be able to tell the patriots from the scum and traitors and spit them out like a midge that accidentally flew into their mouths,” Putin said. “I am convinced that this natural and necessary self-cleansing of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to meet any challenge.”
Last week, Arkady Dvorkovich, who was senior economic adviser to Dmitry Medvedev during his presidency and a deputy prime minister until 2018, stepped down as head of the state-backed Skolkovo technology fund after condemning the invasion. Dvorkovich, who’s also president of the International Chess Federation, is one of only a few former senior officials to speak out against the war.

This is a big happening, as Chubais has been a part of the Russki machine since the beginning and he was one of the architects of the transition of Russia from the planned economy. He also held Russians in contempt, famously uttering a phrase about people who "didn't fit the market" in a conversation about Russian depopulation trends.
That is big news and also not a good sign for Putin.
 
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Apologies if posted but Bloomberg reports Putin climate envoy Anatoly Chubais has resigned and left Russia, mentioning his opposition to the war. Given what happen to Boris Bereszovsky and Alexander Litvinenko et al., he better be careful making his cups of tea.

That is big news and also not a good sign for Putin.
I would say his present post until nearly now was probably a sort of sidelining. I doubt Putin ever cared about the environment. Yet it still the biggest defection. Assorted journos from Russian agencies based abroad are marginal in comparison.

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Altho Kamil Galeev glows a bit, this is an accurate reminder that Chubais brought Putin to the Kremlin.
 
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The Seven Bankers and Yeltsin's daughter brought Putin to Kremlin. He was considered a neutral party, a gray nothingness.
Putin looks dull, but Chubais spend the last few years as a sustainable development advisor which has to have been a sort of studied insult by Putin, who patently rates present usefulness over gratitude.

The BBC article notes how the posted a picture of the murdered Boris Nemtsov on his FB (and or presumably Vkontacte) on the anniversary of his death. It suggests he's not an insider any more, and I note too that Alexei Navalny spox suggests the motive is his money and life. However to my mind it could suggest a sort of fussiness of political radicals. Lenin and Stalin pushed aside great revolutionaries who were too delicate to do what work for the present. There are some ex oligarchs in exile. Perhaps Chubais and them might be the seeds of a more practical and realistic opposition to Putin who put it to oligarchs that Putin isn't worth it and that the arch-privatizer and co. are a better deal.
 
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