Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

People evidently never learned that you should never get to know your heroes....
Speaking of that topic, I can't tell whether or not I'm disappointed at Chuck for (seemingly) simping for Lower Decks.

I've only watched the first episode, but it was so utterly awful, (even in ways that bad first episodes of Trek shows have never been before NuTrek) that I decided I didn't need to see anymore.

But in fairness to Chuck, it seems like he hated the first episode of Lower Decks too.
 
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Speaking of that topic, I can't tell whether or not I'm disappointed at Chuck for (seemingly) simping for Lower Decks.

I've only watched the first episode, but it was so utterly awful, (even in ways that bad first episodes of Trek shows have never been before NuTrek) that I decided I didn't need to see anymore.

But in fairness to Chuck, it seems like he hated the first episode of Lower Decks too.
I can't stand Lower Decks. A lot of people talk about how it's basically the closest thing to actual Trek these days, and that's fucking sad. It's basically Star Trek flavored Rick and Morty. It's not funny, it's not clever, and you can tell how hard they're trying to force anything fans actually liked into the show. It feels fake as fuck, like artificial chocolate flavor made from fucking carob.
 
The only problem is that in the episode Time's Arrow she clearly did remember having met Picard 200 years prior and even tells him "go on that mission or we'll never meet."
Yeah, but given that we never saw their first-ever meeting from Picard's perspective in the 24th century, we don't know if Guinan clearly remembered him from the very moment they met, or if they just naturally clicked as friends before she later remembered "Oh, that's where I know this guy from." Plus, the way she reacted when he told her his name at least makes it possible that she had only forgotten what he looked like, rather than completely forgetting who he was.

It's still a problem to be sure, but at least it's one that's kinda possible to reconcile, which is more than can be said for most of modern Trek.

You think they've watched Time's Arrow? Pffff.
That's the weird thing about this season - there's enough little references to the franchise's history here and there to indicate that it's been written by people who clearly are familiar with Star Trek (albeit seemingly only TOS, TNG, and DS9), but either they don't actually understand the franchise at all, or we've got an early TNG-type situation with the scripts being written by competent people, before getting butchered by the person in charge.
 
That's the weird thing about this season - there's enough little references to the franchise's history here and there to indicate that it's been written by people who clearly are familiar with Star Trek (albeit seemingly only TOS, TNG, and DS9), but either they don't actually understand the franchise at all, or we've got an early TNG-type situation with the scripts being written by competent people, before getting butchered by the person in charge.
Or they just went to Memory Alpha and hit the rando button.
 
Speaking of that topic, I can't tell whether or not I'm disappointed at Chuck for (seemingly) simping for Lower Decks.

I've only watched the first episode, but it was so utterly awful, (even in ways that bad first episodes of Trek shows have never been before NuTrek) that I decided I didn't need to see anymore.

But in fairness to Chuck, it seems like he hated the first episode of Lower Decks too.
I know a conservative Catholic who's a fan of Trek and even he's told me the only new thing he can stand is lower decks.

I may have Bender steal me a season of it.
 
People evidently never learned that you should never get to know your heroes. For instance, I'm so disgusted with Mark Hamil as a human being I don't really watch Star Wars or Batman TAS anymore.
Just learn to separate the art from the artist. Most actors are pseudointellectual scumfucks of varying degrees, but that doesn't stop them from delivering good performances.
Really Stewart's main issue is he got too big for his britches, thought he could improve on the character he's most famous for, and delivered a trainwreck first season of Picard to the degree that CBS notably walked back a lot of his bigger creative choices in the 2nd season in a desperate attempt to bring back fans.
 
I think it's more a non-denominational chapel (heh) but yeah some duo is about to get married on the 1701-OG in a section clearly delegated to this sort of thing and one of them catholics and the other doesn't which is sorta its era equiv of Dax checking that one chick's tonsils levels of WOAH
The only other blatant Christian reference I remember from TOS was the modern Roman episode when they were trying to figure why the resistance worshipped the sun. Uhura had to remind them that they were worshipping the Son of God.

Nowadays she'd have gotten a lecture about all the people that die when they have beliefs, etc. In the actual episode I remember them nodding sagely and perhaps even approvingly.
 
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Yeah, but given that we never saw their first-ever meeting from Picard's perspective in the 24th century, we don't know if Guinan clearly remembered him from the very moment they met, or if they just naturally clicked as friends before she later remembered "Oh, that's where I know this guy from." Plus, the way she reacted when he told her his name at least makes it possible that she had only forgotten what he looked like, rather than completely forgetting who he was.

It's still a problem to be sure, but at least it's one that's kinda possible to reconcile, which is more than can be said for most of modern Trek.
I still thinks its because the shit writers didn't know about the time travel episode where Picard and Guinan first meet.
 
I still thinks its because the shit writers didn't know about the time travel episode where Picard and Guinan first meet.
Maybe. Just seems like a weirdly specific form of laziness, for the writers to chuck in a bunch of obscure details from various TNG and DS9 episodes, but to have completely forgotten about an entire TNG two-parter - and not even the worst, most forgettable two-parter from that series ("Birthright", anyone?)

Though now I'm starting to dread that the twist might that the Guinan we see here is actually younger than the one we saw in "Time's Arrow" and that something's going to throw her back in time by several centuries, which would just be all kinds of stupid.
 
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I (quick) watched Ensign Ro, and I liked how the episode was able to criticise Starfleet without making them look like evil nazis.

First, the meeting when they were talking about some Bajoran leader they needed to meet and Beverly said he was a good dancer. You could see how fed up Ro was there (aside from the plot she was part of). He told them that he was just some token politician, but he had no real influence among their people.

Then, when they met this dude, he told Picard he had no time for diplomacy or parties.

The episode was a good way to show how disconnected the Federation can be when they have to deal with a situation like this.

After that, I watched the one episode with the crystal entity thingy and I support crazy lady killing it.

I know a conservative Catholic who's a fan of Trek and even he's told me the only new thing he can stand is lower decks.

I may have Bender steal me a season of it.
The only positive thing I could say is that at least they know this show is 90% shitposting. They attempt to make it light and humorous. It's not, but at least they don't want to be serious.

STD and STP are meant to he serious and they only manage to be cringe and annoying.
 
I (quick) watched Ensign Ro, and I liked how the episode was able to criticise Starfleet without making them look like evil nazis.

First, the meeting when they were talking about some Bajoran leader they needed to meet and Beverly said he was a good dancer. You could see how fed up Ro was there (aside from the plot she was part of). He told them that he was just some token politician, but he had no real influence among their people.

Then, when they met this dude, he told Picard he had no time for diplomacy or parties.

The episode was a good way to show how disconnected the Federation can be when they have to deal with a situation like this.

After that, I watched the one episode with the crystal entity thingy and I support crazy lady killing it.


The only positive thing I could say is that at least they know this show is 90% shitposting. They attempt to make it light and humorous. It's not, but at least they don't want to be serious.

STD and STP are meant to he serious and they only manage to be cringe and annoying.
Admiral Nechayev would have ordered Picard to kill the Crystalline entity at some point as a threat to Federation security.

Now that I think about it, TNG was a Francis Fukuyama kind of show. The Neo Liberal Federation won decisively 50 years ago, expanded everywhere it wanted until some other race tells them to fuck off, pontificate on their assumed moral superiority, but have trouble relating to based cultures. Said order then begins to fall apart in DS9 with them trying to carefully rebuild the Bajoran civilization, which helped increased tensions with the Cardassians and led to an intra-galactic war with the Dominion.
 
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