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[Japanese Longbowman]

Autistic thoughts on Towa's team so far:

Spoiler: Fundamentals

Firstly, I want to talk about what to expect from the tournament and what to look out for.

Tournament scrims play absolutely nothing like quick play or ranked matches. Even if the overall quality is lower than that of Pro team, pro coaches and Master IGLs (In-game leaders or shot-callers) will still have you playing in a very cagey and intense way. There's only two Master players in the tournament that haven't got any tournament experience and one of them is Aqua, so most of the tournament prep has to come from Towa.

Most teams are made up of Master-Diamond-Plat trios where the skill of the Master makes up for the skill of the Plat. As such, the average skill of the teams are about Low-Mid Diamond. This is important because the Quick Play matches (which matchmake based on the K/D ratio of the best player) Towa's team have been doing have all been High Diamond/Master matches, whilst the Ranked system matchmakes based on the highest ranked player in the current season (Towa) and has therefore put them in Low-High Plat matches.

From this, we can see how they fare against teams on both ends of the bell curve they can expect in the tournament proper.

Spoiler: Favoured Composition

Suisei - Valkyrie (Recon)
Towa - Bloodhound (Recon)
Aqua - Ash/Horizon (Offence)

Towa is one of the most valuable players in the V-Tuber tournament scene due to her backpocket Gibraltar. Every team under the sun dreams of having a good Gibby player without sacrificing their best player to run him, and that's why you'll often see Towa and Seto Miyako (who is a D4 Gibby main) absolutely fuck people up.

As such, I fully expect Towa to run Gibby in the tournament proper, as the World's Edge map has a lot of open space between key areas that need his bubble shield to avoid getting caught out. Valkyrie's ult is very powerful as it allows them to drop into unsuspecting teams or cheese a rotation, and Horizon's tactical ability can give them good vertical options. It's a slippery but squishy team.

Spoiler: Gameplay

I'd like to first make it clear that I only watched Towa's POV, and therefore my thoughts on Aqua and Suisei are based entirely around how they moved and acted according to the lens of Towa.

There are three major things that stood out to me with how their games were, so I'll start with the positive one and work my way down.

1) This team was borderline immaculate in the early game. They dropped quick (and usually hot), looted quickly, stayed compact, and were very consistent in taking out contesting teams in the area.

Aqua and Towa in particular were very good at the early game 50/50's (raw shooting ability without an obvious advantage) and, depending on how the lotto goes for them in the tournament (each team is 'assigned' a place to drop and loot meaning they're always going to be surrounded by the same teams), they could score some early points by picking off a team straight away.

2) Aqua is still in SoloQ mode. As I mentioned earlier, their QP matches were scaled to Aqua's skill level, which is High Diamond/Master, but because she's in a 3-stack, she isn't playing with Diamond/Master teammates. There were a few occasions where Aqua was pushing teams in really disadvantageous ways, and Towa/Suisei weren't on her wavelength to back her up, which resulted in Aqua getting caught out of position and killed first and the other two following suit.

3) Uncertainty in the late game. This one is the killer, because it's what stresses people out to the point of tears in the tournaments. As I said earlier, they're very good in terms of raw ability early on, but when there are 5-7 teams left in a small space late on, it feels like neither Aqua nor Towa are confident enough to make those snap decisions to move or know what fights are a necessity to take if they want to win. The result is that a team with more initiative snowballs into them instead.

This is fine in a Ranked setting, but in a tournament, I know that they're extremely prone to starting to think that they're not doing enough for the team. As the shot-caller of this team (it seems), this pressure falls on Aqua.

Spoiler: Thoughts

This is a very strong team that is quite rough around the edges. Aqua's ability to take fights is formidable, but more organised teams that have coaches and Master/Pred players of her calibre will probably be able to exploit their hesitant decision making and generally nullify Aqua.

I don't expect them to win, but I do think that them working on how to take late-game fights can result in them causing strong teams big problems. A lot of their plan hinges either on learning to not slow Aqua down, or wrangling Aqua into developing a scrim brain quickly. I can for sure envision them as a Top 10 squad.

Considering there's two first timers on their team, not having a coach is an extremely stupid idea. Sure skill wise Aqua might be exceptional but in a team situation decision making and movement is more important than aim and shoot. Towa has some experience but she as a leader is going to feel uncomfortable calling shots have Aqua as a senpai and a better player than her.
In those streams with rpr there was a visible difference in Towa's gameplay because he was directing the team and she still needs some coaching in that department. If Aqua is forgoing a coach to preserve her 'Purity' as an idol it's going to be incredibly hypocritical when she cries and takes a break for a month after the tournament.

 

[ChefKiss]

But then why is it against the rules to mention them? seems kind of counter-intuitive to this statement

Because it causes bad blood between talents, companies and fans and leads to sperg fights like what's happening here.

Someone explained it to me why Indonesia actually is an untapped talent pool that nobody knows about. Indonesian can learn english, and because of its history and geography, Indonesian can learn about western and eastern pop cultures while still retaining their own. There's also the matter of cheaper currency and lower cost of living in most Indonesian region

ID and Malaysia too, I'm shocked there aren't Malaysian branches popping up yet. Was Myholotv such a disaster that it put people off? None of its problems were really talent problems

 

[Scuttle]

@Japanese Longbowman I don't entirely disagree with you, but if I'm too negative I'll get fisted for two pages.

That said, there ARE generally weaker teams in the tournament, and the day of the actual competition where there is no coach interference can absolutely result in some upsets and misplays from teams that had a coach in the scrims.

If Towa has selected Aqua in spite of not having a coach (publicly) give them tips on their performance, then I'm fine with respecting that she just wants to play with her friends this time and end up as a pocket Gibby for a better player in the next one.

Experience is going to play a big part in this. Sadly, this team is already ineligible to play together next time, as Suisei allegedly reaching Plat 3 on an alt means that she's henceforth worth 4pts instead of 3. In other words, this is the first and last time we see this team together. It's a bit of a shame they didn't want to make the most of it, but unless they start getting upset they're mysteriously not performing as well as coached teams then I think it's fine.

 

[kadmckool]

Because it causes bad blood between talents, companies and fans and leads to sperg fights like what's happening here.


ID and Malaysia too, I'm shocked there aren't Malaysian branches popping up yet. Was Myholotv such a disaster that it put people off? None of its problems were really talent problems

Malay is poor vs their neighbor of “used to be Malay” Singapore. Singapore is either Cantonese or English, while ID is almost similar as some region required English based paperwork and population generally know English. Linguistic wise, Malay and Bahasa Indonesia almost the same so go all in to ID is a better call.

Yagoo get gold by taking in the best member of ex MyHoloTV so I think the brain drain will continue when next audition of HoloEN open up.

Outside of ID and Singapore, I don’t think there are much free money market in SEA. Brunei is an oddball because they are too moslem to throw money around.

That would be problematic as the closer to China the fujos are, the richer they are. If you are going for fujos and not get money, then fuck it. It's double the worthless.

Probably not lmao. China hates Hololive now, remember? I don't watch any of Holostars at all so I baselessly predict they're going for more of the 'bro' kind of vibes rather than the fujoshit kind. Even if Holostars EN is going to attract fujos, they most definitely won't come from China.

While Fujos is ez money, the western bromance is not lackluster. They only need a catalyst.

Go full talented bromance or god forbid Yagoo manage to get some ex “American idol” bro who’s “Hollywood rejected” due to look and we are golden.

Full male K-on style band for the StarsEN and move all production in house. Imagine Yagoo manage to get a dude with the voice as strong as Victor Broba, he will makes someone like Gura wet her panties for sure.

 

[DrStupid]

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Well I guess Karen was just too busy to join the fun.

I dont see it posted here yet but Calli did an oof and got too drunk to stream

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[Two-bit]

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Goddamn it Karen, you're hard to love, but you're harder to hate.

 

[Golurk Learned Fly]

I dont see it posted here yet but Calli did an oof and got too drunk to stream

So what's this about the Scar Face stream? Was she über-drunk that day?

 

[IdenticalPlateaus]

Calli really needs a wrangler for her social media, her engaging with randos on twitter is hilarious but obviously the wrong move professionally.

 

[Avokado]

Calli really needs a wrangler for her social media, her engaging with randos on twitter is hilarious but obviously the wrong move professionally.

She is not the only one tho

 

[BibiLivesMatter]

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So what's this about the Scar Face stream? Was she über-drunk that day?

From what I gathered she did a drinking game during the movie stream where you drank anytime a crime happened in the film...So yeah

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/tpn8pk/can_any_true_dead_beats_explain_the_context/

 

[Zinnaha]

Calli really needs a wrangler for her social media, her engaging with randos on twitter is hilarious but obviously the wrong move professionally.

She just needs to be wiser. A big plus Niji has over Holo is the fact they ACTUALLY interacted with and engaged with fans versus the "we're too big and special" of some holo talents lol. The best practice seems to be mostly focusing on fanarts (which is why she did and as usual holofans made it a bigger deal than it was) and any collaborative projects (e.g someone making layouts, music or whatever for you.)

 

[Scuttle]

She just needs to be wiser. A big plus Niji has over Holo is the fact they ACTUALLY interacted with and engaged with fans versus the "we're too big and special" of some holo talents lol. The best practice seems to be mostly focusing on fanarts (which is why she did and as usual holofans made it a bigger deal than it was) and any collaborative projects (e.g someone making layouts, music or whatever for you.)

To be fair, we know what happened last time Calli responded to a fanart.

But yeah, talking to fans isn't unprofessional in and of itself and it's kind of cool to just see them bantering with people. You can still be a professional streamer without having to act like you're too good to have a laugh with some plebs.

 

[IdenticalPlateaus]

She just needs to be wiser.

Wisdom doesn't mean shit when she is drunk, she needs someone to take her keys away.

 

[ChefKiss]

Yagoo get gold by taking in the best member of ex MyHoloTV so I think the brain drain will continue when next audition of HoloEN open up.

True, I think all 3 members of that group were gold but just throwing them into EN does make more sense

 

[Sopmod Senior]

Holy shit, just catching on Yuni VODs on Twitch and saw Saruei streaming, someone gifted ONE THOUSAND subs, jesas. She's literally in tears now. Almost everyone in chat is subbed now.

 

[Bingeamint]

Have a palate cleanser. Sora doing something super basic like pinning a comment for the first time. I have never seen such happiness and joy

That smile...

 

[Biobreak]

Kiara casually mentioning in her Mario Kart stream earlier that she has tentative plans to visit the US at some point this year. Playfully bantered with chat about potential places to visit and says she would prefer cities on the coast as it would afford her the opportunity to visit the beach as well and that a city-setting would be preferable as it would be better for ease of commute as she would primarily have to get around via Uber & public transport.

Honestly, if coastal cities with decent extensive public transport is a key metric for her, I'm struggling to think of anything beyond NYC and Boston.

 

[Zinnaha]

Holy shit, just catching on Yuni VODs on Twitch and saw Saruei streaming, someone gifted ONE THOUSAND subs, jesas. She's literally in tears now. Almost everyone in chat is subbed now.

Yea just goes to show you can be a shit person and always come out on top lol

 

[DrStupid]

Kiara casually mentioning in her Mario Kart stream earlier that she has tentative plans to visit the US at some point this year. Playfully bantered with chat about potential places to visit and says she would prefer cities on the coast as it would afford her the opportunity to visit the beach as well and that a city-setting would be preferable as it would be better for ease of commute as she would primarily have to get around via Uber & public transport.

Honestly, if coastal cities with decent extensive public transport is a key metric for her, I'm struggling to think of anything beyond NYC and Boston.

I'm not from burgerland, so if anyone says "big city with beaches" I instantly think west coast, more specifically LA or San Francisco.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Calli really needs a wrangler for her social media, her engaging with randos on twitter is hilarious but obviously the wrong move professionally.

Gonna be real though in this instance I think this might be just an overcautious thought due to the lean shit.

The person she's responding to here by all accounts isn't an anti, and responded positively to her reply. Just because something negative happened in the past doesn't mean every time she replies to a random tweet is a sign of oncoming doom.

I'm not from burgerland, so if anyone says "big city with beaches" I instantly think west coast, more specifically LA or San Francisco.

Florida or just the southeast in general can offer up some good beaches as well, although if she's looking for somewhere with good public transit...... she's kind of just shit out of luck in the US, at least compared to European or Japanese standards we don't have shit for public transit outside of places like New York or Boston on the coasts.