Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan survived Soviet withdrawal with just some Soviet aid and after the Soviet aid lasted lasted for rather longer than the US replacement did without US troops (that's a bit pointless comparison, for that was barely weeks, while the old Soviet supported state clung on for a year when aid had ceased, and a good years after withdrawal). These Russian troops don't seem to remotely compare to the Afghansty. The initial Soviet clockwork intervention was a model that Putin can only dream about emulating. Najibullah had managed to work out a quite effective modus operandi and were it not for Boris Yeltsin cutting off aid, we wouldn't be talking failure, but a state aspiring to civilization surviving in the midst of barbarism.
I think you may be being a bit optimistic there. I'm not convinced that there can be any sort of functioning modern state in that shithole until they get rid of the tribal mentality, and that takes generations.
 
were it not for Boris Yeltsin cutting off aid, we wouldn't be talking failure, but a state aspiring to civilization surviving in the midst of barbarism.
Possibly...but I tend to think that Afghans will always revert to being Afghans. For reference, read about what happened at the Khyber Pass.
It's like Blacks in the United States: even several generations after being imported, they still generally do not think or act like White Americans; they always revert to tribalism.
 
Neo Nazism: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

While I can only speak for myself, I - as an impartial baka gaijin observer - am making fun of the Azov Battalion for unironically being more catastrophically incompetent than r*dditors.
They're worse than the Redditors? That's honestly hard to believe. Funny thing is that the Western media was obsessed with "Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem" until the very day of the "special military operation."

Then they're suddenly the Jedi Order battling an evil empire or some shit like that.
 
That has to be a shitpost. The comments are fucking gold though
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I think you may be being a bit optimistic there. I'm not convinced that there can be any sort of functioning modern state in that shithole until they get rid of the tribal mentality, and that takes generations.
The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan was doing that over time. Nur Muhammaed Taraki was too radical with his various reforms, but pulled back when he realised the reforms were over-hasty (yet continued his purged of the Parchamite faction relentlessly), while Hafizullah Amin, who removed him to carefully expressed Soviet displeasure, threw caution to the wind, resulting in an effusion of blood and a near collapse of the state. The Soviet installed government restored a sense of balance (at great cost later thanks to the Gipper and friends), and finally with Najibullah was a steady and cautious tempo of reform found. It's much different from the present, but I see the present Russian Army as lacking the extensive skill set of the 40th Army and KGB. Maybe. Anyhow the US and allies showed how not to do it.

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Hmm perhaps I should have phrased it better. The tribal identity needs to morph into a national identity, or at least have the national identity take a significantly higher level of importance.
Yes, tribal government can perhaps have its uses for the unambitious ruler, unambitious except for keeping power. Afghanistan historically seemed a place where the simple people had inherent martial talents, but above the local level any British or American adventurer who knew the limits of where he was, could be anything he wanted to be, from some eastern seaboard chemist to eastern potentate or advisor living in degenerate luxury. Breaking out of it needs centuries or rulers who are cunning, cautious, but also disrespectful and brutal where needed. I think the rulers of the Democratic Republic unlocked part of it, but the monarchy in its last years also came close, but succumbed to its leftist intelligentsia. It's endlessly fascinating.
 
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The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan was doing that over time. Nur Muhammaed Taraki was too radical with his various reforms, but pulled back when he realised the reforms were over-hasty (yet continued his purged of the Parchamite faction relentlessly), while Hafizullah Amin, who removed him to carefully expressed Soviet displeasure, threw caution to the wind, resulting in an effusion of blood and a near collapse of the state. The Soviet installed government restored a sense of balance (at great cost later thanks to the Gipper and friends), and finally with Najibullah was a steady and cautious tempo of reform found. It's much different from the present, but I see the present Russian Army as lacking the extensive skill set of the 40th Army and KGB. Maybe. Anyhow the US and allies showed how not to do it.

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I still think it would have been optimistic for it to last. There's just something about that shithole that drives people crazy. Ah well, it's still a fun "what could have been".
 
Now that the list of destroyed Russian equipment with visual evidence is about to hit 2,000, I did research on Russia's super modern armored vehicles, and why we haven't really seen any of them.

Starting with the T-90Ms, we've only seen T-90As in Ukraine, well looking through the numbers I've found, T-90Ms can't really be fielded yet, their numbers are only slightly higher than the Armata's, with an article from November saying there's only in the ballpark of 20 made. So even though Russia plans to upgrade all their T-90As into T-90Ms, well, they also planned to have over 2,000 T-14s by 2020.

Going to the BMPT "Terminator", given how urban combat is a meat grinder, and we've been seeing a lot of it, Russia shouldn't be holding back a vehicle designed to counter some of the weaknesses armored vehicles face in urban combat, well, again they're not holding them back, they can't field them in combat, in December they finally fielding some on paper by giving them to a regiment, but it only amounted to nine total vehicles.

With the other latest models, we are seeing them, and seeing a lot get destroyed, like T-72B3 2016s and T-80BVMs. So, when it comes to ground forces Russia definitely is sending its most advanced equipment that is actually able to be fielded, usually an army the size of Russia's needs at least the very least a few dozen vehicles before it actually fields them in combat. If you lose one, congrats, because you just lost a decent percentage of your total stockpile of said vehicles, lose one of the few crews who know how to operate this brand-new version, and even if the crew survives you won't have a reserve of it to replace it and are instead forced to slot in older, less capable model in as a replacement for the loss.
 
One interesting thing I've heard on 4chan (so don't take it too seriously) is that Putin tried to bribe Ukrainian politicians and military officers so they'd desert when the fighting started. But the people he gave the bribe money took all of it. Putin knew they'd skim but didn't think they'd take everything. So he came in with an unprepared military expecting the Ukrainians to go home when the fighting started, but was instead met with an actual military response.

Yes it was just a random Anon on /Pol/. But it makes sense.
 
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Now that the list of destroyed Russian equipment with visual evidence is about to hit 2,000, I did research on Russia's super modern armored vehicles, and why we haven't really seen any of them.

Starting with the T-90Ms, we've only seen T-90As in Ukraine, well looking through the numbers I've found, T-90Ms can't really be fielded yet, their numbers are only slightly higher than the Armata's, with an article from November saying there's only in the ballpark of 20 made. So even though Russia plans to upgrade all their T-90As into T-90Ms, well, they also planned to have over 2,000 T-14s by 2020.

Going to the BMPT "Terminator", given how urban combat is a meat grinder, and we've been seeing a lot of it, Russia shouldn't be holding back a vehicle designed to counter some of the weaknesses armored vehicles face in urban combat, well, again they're not holding them back, they can't field them in combat, in December they finally fielding some on paper by giving them to a regiment, but it only amounted to nine total vehicles.

With the other latest models, we are seeing them, and seeing a lot get destroyed, like T-72B3 2016s and T-80BVMs. So, when it comes to ground forces Russia definitely is sending its most advanced equipment that is actually able to be fielded, usually an army the size of Russia's needs at least the very least a few dozen vehicles before it actually fields them in combat. If you lose one, congrats, because you just lost a decent percentage of your total stockpile of said vehicles, lose one of the few crews who know how to operate this brand-new version, and even if the crew survives you won't have a reserve of it to replace it and are instead forced to slot in older, less capable model in as a replacement for the loss.
Fortunately for Russia, in the case of the T90, a trained T72 crew wouldn't have trouble switching over to one. It's literally just a T-72 upgrade that got a name change for marketing purposes. Post war I suspect we'll be seeing lots of their stored T72s pulled out and overhauled to replace losses.
 
It'd be nice if I could find a website where they don't pretend that they give the slightest semblance of a shit about this.

Other than here, obviously.

They don't "care". They're not "sorry". They're not "praying for the Ukrainian people". They're doing this for clout, nothing more.
 
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