Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[MrJokerRager]

I had to revoke my lurker status just to tell you, that Stephan Bandera was a filthy nazi supporter and his fighters brutally murdered hundreds of Polish civilians, among which were woman and children who the banderites killed with axes and pitchforks but sure he was a hero fighting the evil commies, read up on Massacre of Poles in Volhynia and take it easy on nazi simping.

The amount of folks killed in Europe during both World Wars does correlate hard with the "poz" that we see today over there and outsourcing their actual military defense to Uncle Sam.

Kind of makes it hard to start an another World War in Europe when most of Europe has been "deindustrilized" by subversives like those "Greens" and their kind of Nimbyist Neoliberal style folks. I doubt any nation in Europe has the manpower for it plus all of the cheap foreign labor imported in the last decade alone would just fuck off than rather die for the French or whatever nation over there.

 

[The best and greatest]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-zelenskyy-says-ukraine-is-willing-to-consider-declaring-neutrality-and-offer-security-guarantees-to-russia-12576688

https://archive.ph/W6Tas

Looks like the war will be ending soon giving Putin what he wants and showing that Zelensky had no spine to begin with, and with it the West's care about sancshooning Russia. Looks like the world will be back to normal in a few months save for Russia removing itself from globohomo and hopping on chinse payment processor cock.

Remember when Germany signed treaties to disarm post WW1 and then nobody did a goddamn thing about it when they started rearming and moving back into the Rhine because even though treaties were signed and promises were made, the previous war sapped everyone of the will and ability to risk starting another war by actually enforcing those treaties?

They can sign whatever agreement they want. It doesn't matter; Ukraine will be 'neutral' in the same way that Japan is 'disarmed'. Unless Russia is going to keep troops in the country they won't be enforcing whatever treaty Ukraine signs.

 

[Josterman]

From neocon lawyer Ron filipkowski

https://mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1508194033943863297?cxt=HHwWgoCz2fWel-4pAAAA

Got his dox right here

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If people with Ukraine flags in their bio really care about the damn country should go over there and fight instead of being bums and just larp and leech of SS or being paid to do so by their higher up bosses.

 

[St.Davis]

I said if it was true at all. I'm just saying all parties would have potential motivation for delaying the negotiations.

They might have motivation to, but they have no motivation to do it in such a fucking retarded way.

A false flag by the Hohols is unironically more likely than the Russians doing this.

 

[Getting tard comed]

How long till we get memes of Will Smiths slap with Russia/Ukraine plastered either way?

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[Josterman]

How long till we get memes of Will Smiths slap with Russia/Ukraine plastered either way?

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We don’t have to wait

 

[mindlessobserver]

Lmao the Azov battalion is now lining civilians and prisoners of war along trenches and executing them in a near identical fashion to the SS and blue checkmark Twitter be like "um yea we're still not sure if they're Nazis or not, better wait for more info."

Azov is turning into Schroedingers Nazis. They are all dead when Russian propaganda wants them to be, and alive and horrible when Russian propaganda wants them too be. The more shrieking there is about them, the less convinced I am they are actually all that relevant.

Huh. Kraut is a member on the site?

All youtube drama merchants are on this site. Some just more openly then others.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Oh thank goodness, at least there are no dirty hippies on the moon. Thank you, moon Nixon.

That's what they want you to think, maaaaan. Wake-up-sheeple.info.com.peaceout.ru

 

[RedDelicious]

Well, Russia was never fully integrated into the EU to begin with. Maybe if NATO was disbanded and they put more faith in this premise 30 years ago, it might have worked.

Muh NATO aggression is and always has been a scapegoat and if you still believe otherwise you're just fooling yourself. Russia agreed to both the Helsinki accords and the Budapest memorandum and basically wiped their ass with both, and by showing everyone you can't trust them worth a shit, they're only pushing more countries into the arms of the west. Even when this is 'over' and Putin inevitably kicks it, this is a stink that will hang over Russia for generations.

 

[draggs]

Well, Russia was never fully integrated into the EU to begin with. Maybe if NATO was disbanded and they put more faith in this premise 30 years ago, it might have worked.

Russia had no problem with NATO in the 1990s

Russia even liked NATO in the 2000s, Putin gave Bush like all the intel Russia had from the 80s on important people in Afghanistan and helped smooth the road for NATO using bases in the former USSR -stans. Putin said nice things about NATO in the 2000s. Russia and NATO were both fighting jihadis so they had shared interests

Then Bush started to fuck it up by stringing Georgia along because neocon stupidity

Then Obama finished it fucking up by laughing in Putin's face when he said hey maybe don't side with jihadis against Gaddaffi it's not a good idea and by siding with jihadis in Syria. Georgia and Libya and Syria convinced Putin that the West was not interested in a relationship of mutual respect and advancing shared interests because the West was disrespectful af towards him re: Libya, and it acted schizo on those shared interests, jihadis are bad one day and good the next

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

its not
europe isnt some kind of resource-less wasteland, it became dependent on foreign imports mainly because decadence (greens, internationalists) made it abandon domestic mining and resource extraction for faggot reasons (corporate profits, environmentalism)
like, if you have no gas, maybe dont build up infrastructure that is dependent on lots of gas to function. could have just kept their coal mines and plants running and none of this retard shit would be happening now.

The really bad thing was that Germany and Japan had a nuclear phase out starting in 2011. Merkel ordered eight plants to shut down three fucking days after the 2011 earthquake. They never restarted. They were licensed to operate until 2036, with extensions and upgrades possible. If that isn't a knee jerk reaction, idk what is. Only a handful of plants remain operational and all were supposed to be winding down within a couple of years.

In 2011, the German parliament soon voted to move the nuclear phase out date from 2036 to 2022. Putin picked a strange year for his invasion. You don't think he pays attention to German domestic politics, do you?

 

[Kane Lives]

Muh NATO aggression is and always has been a scapegoat and if you still believe otherwise you're just fooling yourself. Russia agreed to both the Helsinki accords and the Budapest memorandum and basically wiped their ass with both, and by showing everyone you can't trust them worth a shit, they're only pushing more countries into the arms of the west. Even when this is 'over' and Putin inevitably kicks it, this is a stink that will hang over Russia for generations.

lol imagine thinking the West looks good in this. Guarantee you, a lot of people in third world shitholes see this as nothing more than Russians defending itself against Western meddling in what is rightfully Russian sphere of influence.

Oh, but you might be thinking: what should I care about what third world shitholes are thinking? And you would be correct, America and the EU can absolutely ignore what third worlders think. For now. Just don't be surprised when people start wiping their ass on western agreements once America inevitably wanes.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

The really bad thing was that Germany and Japan had a nuclear phase out starting in 2011. Merkel ordered eight plants to shut down three fucking days after the 2011 earthquake. They never restarted. They were licensed to operate until 2036, with extensions and upgrades possible. If that isn't a knee jerk reaction, idk what is. Only a handful of plants remain operational and all were supposed to be winding down within a couple of years.

In 2011, the German parliament soon voted to move the nuclear phase out date from 2036 to 2022. Putin picked a strange year for his invasion. You don't think he pays attention to German domestic politics, do you?

Germany just wouldn't be German without it shooting itself in the foot every few years. Really the best defense against another war started by Germany seems to be the Germans themselves.

 

[RedDelicious]

lol imagine thinking the West looks good in this. Guarantee you, a lot of people in third world shitholes see this as nothing more than Russians defending itself against Western meddling in what is rightfully Russian sphere of influence.

Oh, but you might be thinking: what should I care about what third world shitholes are thinking? And you would be correct, America and the EU can absolutely ignore what third worlders think. For now. Just don't be surprised when people start wiping their ass on western agreements once America inevitably wanes.

Neither side looks good but the west definitely looks safer. You're fucking delusional if you think countries will snuggle up to an international pariah state after it struggled to surprise-invade its immediate neighbor. Much of the third world is currently in China's pocket anyway- who also is currently giving Russia the side eye.
You know the joke about Jesus banging on your door, demanding to be let in so he can save you from what he'll do to you if you don't let him in? That's how Russia looks currently haranguing on about the evils of NATO, but instead of bread and fish, it's just breadlines.
I legitimately cannot fathom how you think this is a good look for Russia. From a purely outside perspective, countries are just going to see the bigger thing invading the smaller thing. Even if you think you're right about 'maintaining spheres of influence' outright lethal hostility does not a good ally make. No one wants to be saddled with the international baggage allying with Russia would come with.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Russia had no problem with NATO in the 1990s

Russia even liked NATO in the 2000s, Putin gave Bush like all the intel Russia had from the 80s on important people in Afghanistan and helped smooth the road for NATO using bases in the former USSR -stans. Putin said nice things about NATO in the 2000s. Russia and NATO were both fighting jihadis so they had shared interests

Then Bush started to fuck it up by stringing Georgia along because neocon stupidity

Then Obama finished it fucking up by laughing in Putin's face when he said hey maybe don't side with jihadis against Gaddaffi it's not a good idea and by siding with jihadis in Syria. Georgia and Libya and Syria convinced Putin that the West was not interested in a relationship of mutual respect and advancing shared interests because the West was disrespectful af towards him re: Libya, and it acted schizo on those shared interests, jihadis are bad one day and good the next

Indeed, they could have been integrated back then and they'd have a much harder time extricating themselves from sanctions than they do now and all those Russian citizens would have left for Western Europe at a faster rate than now. Now, Russians are locked in and have no choice but to support the Putin regime.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Saw this, think it's interesting. Its written by a russian minister advising on the economy so some of it is copium, mostly the short term assessments imo, but I think it's mostly on point medium to long term and some of the short term stuff is true.

https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/sanctions-and-sovereignty?s=r

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[BULLY HUNTER_77]

as a matter of principle i refuse to click on any video made by that subhuman

Fair enough - my post had the general gist of Germany's thinking anyway. Economic interdependency to maintain peace has been proven to be naive now but hindsight is always 20/20.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Indeed, they could have been integrated back then and they'd have a much harder time extricating themselves from sanctions than they do now and all those Russian citizens would have left for Western Europe at a faster rate than now. Now, Russians are locked in and have no choice but to support the Putin regime.

The problem is that Russia was even more corrupt and fucked up back then, which is one of the major reasons Ukraine won't be allowed in. There definitely would have been some issues if that had gone down.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Neither side looks good but the west definitely looks safer.

Will it still be safer when it's hungry while importing "refugees"?

 

[Kane Lives]

Neither side looks good but the west definitely looks safer. You're fucking delusional if you think countries will snuggle up to an international pariah state after it struggled to surprise-invade it's immediate neighbor. Most of the third world is currently in China's pocket anyway- who also is currently giving Russia the side eye.
You know the joke about Jesus banging on your door, demanding to be let in so he can save you from what he'll do to you if you don't let him in? That's how Russia looks currently haranguing on about the evils of NATO, but instead of bread and fish, it's just breadlines.

China isn't giving them the sideeye lol. What makes you think that? Take a look at Chinese state media. Notice what's missing? The entire coverage of the war. The CCP might have offered some empty words of condemnation but they're most definitely quietly supporting the war on the side. I have it on good authority that most of Weibo normies are blaming the US for "recklessness".

Chinese companies are currently all scrambling to fill the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fill the void left by western sanctions. Russian banks are already in talks with integrating more closely wtih CIPS to facilitate trade, and to replace Visa/Mastercard with Unionpay.

Don't let your Western bias fool you. To most people in shithole bumfuckistan, this is Russian domestic affairs. Western preening and sanctions over it has only increased suspicions that it, too, might be directed at them in time.