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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You know, this wouldn't necessarily be a huge issue if this was what Putin had asked for. It sets the parameters for his military to plan, but I would bet money that he then told them how to do it - that being a quick minimalist decapitation attack, shortly thereafter the whole country would welcome then with open arms - this locks them into a straight jacket whereby they just get mauled.

I don't think that he changed anything. FSB had essentially unlimited budget to recruit Russian loyalists in Ukraine. Bellingcat announced that they will dump results of their investigation, claiming that at least 150 FSB recruiters in Ukraine had spent shitloads of money to recruit proRussia bros, but frequently went to meet their recruits in exotic places like Thailand among other warmer resourts, i.e. they pissed away the money. Still, the network of FSB agents in Ukraine is fairly large considering how many people were caught sending info (checkpoint, AA locations) to Russia for money, i.e. hard evidence exists of it. No date on Bellingcat dumping the info, but it's OSInt, so it should be easy to confirm or deny when it comes.

If there was ever a sign that the West needs to end any and all strategic economic dependence on autocratic regimes then this was it, and because of the relatively mild economic pain it is causing they are already seeking a way to close this out and get back to business as usual. There should be no business as usual for Russia, if they are not going to abide by internal norms then they don't get to benefit from the system they are trying to challenge. Simpo as.

There are already articles in Germany criticizing Merkel and past leadership for getting soft and bought out by Putin, starting with go ahead with Nordstream2 right after annexation of Crimea. German military spending suddenly shot through the roof, just in the recent month, so that's probably a good evidence that they are changing their politics as a country.


No sauce, saw it on /k/, but Russia's conscription season is autumn, so they are probably talking about the guys from the last year's conscription with 9-12 months of service on the clock.

There are two seasons, spring and fall. Spring starts on April 1st, but I don't see how that changes anything, except may be backfill warm bodies on military bases around Russia.

However, they DID send military orchestra into shooting war ... literally

Russian sources publish more obituaries to trumpet playing musicians who heroically died fighting Ukro-Nazis (I posted a vid from interrogation from a POW saying that they had orchestra manning checkpoints in the area)

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Mayor of Mariupol reports city has fallen, and is now fully in Russian hands. Orders "complete evacuation". "We are in the hands of the occupiers", says Mayor Vadym Boichenko.

Other sources use softer language, so I suspect it's not quite official yet and the Mayor is just doing his best in a difficult situation to set expectations for those remaining.

Assuming this is the case, those Russian resources will now be redirected elsewhere vastly accelerating things. They have been bogged down in Mariupol for weeks, and now all of those resources are freed up. Do they head to Odessa? Or do they use it as leverage to end this mess? Putin has to know he can't occupy all of Ukraine, so you would think he would use this as a way to secure the Donbass region and landbridge to Crimea, then offer up a ceasefire.

I would expect the entire conversation about the war to change in the next few days.
 
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Big if true, it means there is someone in FSB with pretty high clearance who's feeding them that data, could also explain some of Ukrainians successes against Russian military if they were given info about troops movements before orders were given.
Leaks from within the FSB are entirely possible. There were articles back at the beginning of the month where Ukrainian officials stated they foiled multiple attempted hits on Zelensky by the Chechens and Wagner mercs, which they claimed they foiled as a result of info being leaked by sympathisers in the FSB. At the time I figured it was a 50/50 between truth, or a psyop to fuck with Putin and the FSB, but this definitely makes potential supporters inside a possibility, because no way Ukraine got that many names, in that many places from regualr counter intel.

article in question: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-three-assassination-attempts-past-week.html
 
Mayor of Mariupol reports city has fallen, and is now fully in Russian hands. Orders "complete evacuation". "We are in the hands of the occupiers", says Mayor Vadym Boichenko.

Other sources use softer language, so I suspect it's not quite official yet and the Mayor is just doing his best in a difficult situation to set expectations for those remaining.

Assuming this is the case, those Russian resources will now be redirected elsewhere vastly accelerating things. Do they head to Odessa? Or do they use it as leverage to end this mess? Putin has to know he can't occupy all of Ukraine, so you would think he would use this as a way to secure the Donbass region and landbridge to Crimea, then offer up a ceasefire.
That doesn't mean everything is going peachy for Russia. They won a city through brute-force tactics, however, they're losing control of other parts of Ukraine that they once had:

"Ukraine retakes control of two Russian-occupied towns"​

"Ukrainian forces had seized back full control of Irpin, a town near capital Kyiv, which has been one of the main hotspots of fighting with Russian troops, the mayor said on Monday.

Later on Monday, the United States assessed that Ukrainian forces have also retaken the town of Trostyanets, south of Sumy, from Russian forces, a senior US defense official said on Monday. 'The Ukrainians are continuing to try to take back ground,' the official told reporters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

'We have good news today - Irpin has been liberated,' Mayor Oleksandr Markushyn said in a video post on Telegram. 'We understand that there will be more attacks on our town and we will defend it courageously.'"

Combining it with other reports, it seems that for every gain Russia has, they lose something else, or something they have breaks down. That is not a rate of attrition they can win. Especially when one considers the effect the war has on the Russian economy.
 
Mayor of Mariupol reports city has fallen, and is now fully in Russian hands. Orders "complete evacuation". "We are in the hands of the occupiers", says Mayor Vadym Boichenko.

Other sources use softer language, so I suspect it's not quite official yet and the Mayor is just doing his best in a difficult situation to set expectations for those remaining.

Assuming this is the case, those Russian resources will now be redirected elsewhere vastly accelerating things. Do they head to Odessa? Or do they use it as leverage to end this mess? Putin has to know he can't occupy all of Ukraine, so you would think he would use this as a way to secure the Donbass region and landbridge to Crimea, then offer up a ceasefire.
Yeah I think land bridge to Crimea was one of the most important things Russians actually wanted, I just don't think they thought it would cost this much or require nearly leveling everything on the way there.

I don't think they're going to stop until they at least have the land bridge and whole regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, really it depends on how many more soldiers they're willing to lose, it's Russia so I bet the number is huge.

I wouldn't believe any talk of ceasefire unless Russians take all their shit and leave, if they do offer one up it would only be so they can regroup.

We'll see I guess, it's either coming to an end or it's going to get even uglier now.
 
We'll see I guess, it's either coming to an end or it's going to get even uglier now.
My money's on the latter. I hope to God this war ends soon, but Putin and his cronies have staked practically everything on this move, and if they lose, they'll be like a mad dog with nothing left to lose, which makes them all the more dangerous.
 
My money's on the latter. I hope to God this war ends soon, but Putin and his cronies have staked practically everything on this move, and if they lose, they'll be like a mad dog with nothing left to lose, which makes them all the more dangerous.
Everyone wants it to just be over at this point (hopefully), more then enough people died on both sides because Putin wants a bigger sandbox with people for him to bully.

In an ideal world Ukrainians wouldn't lose anything but I don't know that it's possible against an enemy that's willing to throw enough meat at machine gun nests for bodies to form a new border wall.
 
Everyone wants it to just be over at this point (hopefully), more then enough people died on both sides because Putin wants a bigger sandbox with people for him to bully.

In an ideal world Ukrainians wouldn't lose anything but I don't know that it's possible against an enemy that's willing to throw enough meat at machine gun nests for bodies to form a new border wall.
In an ideal world, Putin would have just bought from Ukraine the breakaway provinces in the east and south, and we'd have Ukrainian and Russian troops playing soccer at the border with American soldiers as the referees. But Putin and his cronies wanted more people to bully around, since they probably got tired of bullying his countrymen who live in a third-world country that is cold as fuck. Say what you will about East Asia or South America, at least freezing to death is a concern you'd rarely come across. Let alone block after block of apartment buildings with little else in between.
 
The thing with the airbase or whatever has been mentioned before in this thread, but that's still so insane that those Russians just mindlessly repeat these actions without just killing off their commanders sending them out on these death sentences. It's like the higher ups are just throwing their hands up in the air in frustration and saying "well try it again!" every time they fuck up because they can't figure out how to unfuck things for themselves.

Must make Putin feel like an absolute genius being surrounded by such idiots.
I tried asking if Putin wasn't surrounded by brown nosers and yes men in the second Happenings thread, the only answer I got were Fallout memes. The question answered itself.
 
Abramovich is sanctioned up his ass. If Abramovich belongs to anyone it's West, not Putin. At this point who is keeping their wealth, most of it is not in Russia. The oligarchs may seem rich but most of their wealth is locked and the rest is hunted down. I don't know if they can be considered oligharchs anymore.

I posted earlier that Zelensky personally asked West not to sanction Abramovich further.

Also reportedly Abramovich is going to pass a written note to Putin from Zelensky.

Next round of talks will take place in Turkey, unlike Belarus before, which technically was NOT a neutral ground.
I thought that note was passed and very badly received. Maybe there's another. Putin's reported words in response indicated continued confidence in his position, hatred for Zelinskiy or a certainty all work will out. Abramovich is at least trying to be public spirited, altho lavishing funds on Chelski was surely a great error, and any immortal kudos for ending the war will be accomplished by a renewed access to Croesus like wealth.

Calm down I was just introducing it, the 10k killed figure isn't even contentious as far as I know. I didn't make any claims of genocide or anything or who killed how many.

Beatific calm here, but the figure is I understand a smidgeon higher and almost wholly related to combat, barring some unavoidable incidents (a chomo deserve the cross). It's piss poor as an RF pretext.
 
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Mayor of Mariupol reports city has fallen, and is now fully in Russian hands. Orders "complete evacuation". "We are in the hands of the occupiers", says Mayor Vadym Boichenko.

Other sources use softer language, so I suspect it's not quite official yet and the Mayor is just doing his best in a difficult situation to set expectations for those remaining.

Assuming this is the case, those Russian resources will now be redirected elsewhere vastly accelerating things. They have been bogged down in Mariupol for weeks, and now all of those resources are freed up. Do they head to Odessa? Or do they use it as leverage to end this mess? Putin has to know he can't occupy all of Ukraine, so you would think he would use this as a way to secure the Donbass region and landbridge to Crimea, then offer up a ceasefire.

I would expect the entire conversation about the war to change in the next few days.

way to go quoting Zerohedge that in turn quotes this article: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...trophe-says-city-must-be-completely-evacuated which says nothing about the city falling, it's been "falling" for a while. Also nice touch inserting a few twits from Russian twats, that makes it totally legit.
 
In an ideal world, Putin would have just bought from Ukraine the breakaway provinces in the east and south, and we'd have Ukrainian and Russian troops playing soccer at the border with American soldiers as the referees. But Putin and his cronies wanted more people to bully around, since they probably got tired of bullying his countrymen who live in a third-world country that is cold as fuck. Say what you will about East Asia or South America, at least freezing to death is a concern you'd rarely come across. Let alone block after block of apartment buildings with little else in between.
Ideally. He had that and veto over Ukraine via the Odessa Accords. War is a bad way to fix treaty issues. Russia and Ukraine can have luridly warm summers. If this continues into summer, the fighting men might look to present chilly weather with some nostalgia.

way to go quoting Zerohedge that in turn quotes this article: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...trophe-says-city-must-be-completely-evacuated which says nothing about the city falling, it's been "falling" for a while. Also nice touch inserting a few twits from Russian twats, that makes it totally legit.
Tsar Monkey worshippers really like lying.
 
Mayor of Mariupol reports city has fallen, and is now fully in Russian hands. Orders "complete evacuation". "We are in the hands of the occupiers", says Mayor Vadym Boichenko.

Other sources use softer language, so I suspect it's not quite official yet and the Mayor is just doing his best in a difficult situation to set expectations for those remaining.

Assuming this is the case, those Russian resources will now be redirected elsewhere vastly accelerating things. They have been bogged down in Mariupol for weeks, and now all of those resources are freed up. Do they head to Odessa? Or do they use it as leverage to end this mess? Putin has to know he can't occupy all of Ukraine, so you would think he would use this as a way to secure the Donbass region and landbridge to Crimea, then offer up a ceasefire.

I would expect the entire conversation about the war to change in the next few days.
I don't think those forces will vastly accelerate anything.

First, while I can't give you numbers I can guarantee they're not a hugely significant proportion of the troops aligned to the invasion.

Second, they're going to be exhausted, and they will need many of those left to occupy what is left of that city.

Third, those troops pushing further against Ukraine are only going to put pressure on their already shaky supply lines.

Lastly, the main effort and therefore the area with the majority of Russian forces is Kyiv. Now that is going to shift to the Donbas in time, but it's not going to be quick.

So no, I doubt the fall of Mauripol will be particularly significant going forward. If anything it's a pyrrhic victory for the Russians, they've exhausted their effective soldiers attacking that city for probably little military benefit after it falls. They get a "land bridge" that already existed via the black sea into Crimea.
 
In an ideal world, Putin would have just bought from Ukraine the breakaway provinces in the east and south, and we'd have Ukrainian and Russian troops playing soccer at the border with American soldiers as the referees.

I really doubt it. There are big cultural differences and they are only growing bigger. Ukrainians resent getting invaded. Russians resent Ukrainians living better than them despite being niggers, unlike their master race. Russian mothers resent Ukraine for putting up the fight. If you listen to intercepted cell calls to Russia, most Russians in private aren't shocked with invasion and simply looking to get something out of it before getting shot. If Putin's support is 70-80%% official, I really doubt that it's much less, Russians love wars when they are winning. I've been watching this shit show since 2014 and their gloating when their overwhelming force shoots the opposition like fish in the barrel. Without Western aid this would be Ukraine. Certainly Putin isn't the one who flies sorties and loads shells in thousands of artillery pieces.

good segue

So you guys remember this bird who apparently "staged" a protest on Russian state TV, but there were some doubts about it since state TV runs "behind", it's not exactly live. She got fined, but otherwise was hailed as the brave woman who after years of peddling propaganda saw the light.

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well, you gonna shit bricks finding out that she, Maria Jane Fonda Ovsyanikova, appeared on Italian TV saying that western sanctions hurt Russian children and grandmas, but war in Ukraine is 100% Putin.


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Italy is the second consumer of Russian gas in EU after Germany.


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One thing that's struck me in this war is one thing - the historical lack of Fixed warfair.

In the majority of the western world, Armies have always had to fight walled or enforced communities this has lead to an awareness of certain techniques even if antiquated that can get dusted off and tweaked and put back into use.

The main one I am thinking of now is a Fougasse, originally it was a cheap siege cannon but it evolved into a rather effective anti-personnel and limited anti armour weapon. You could even consider a IDE a Fougasse during WW2 the Army made some designed to spew a flame of Oil and Napalm along a road, either engulfing infantry or burning up the outside of armoured cars etc.

Hell I can think of a few ways of making one off the top of my head, a electric sparker rigged to a oxy accetine bottle or a plasma cutter etc and a flame directed to the nosel of a mixed gas weling unit with a pipe suffed with cloth and other bits of shit pointed down a road Boom big shotgun - it's one shot but 2lbs of hex nuts scrap metal and alike traveling down a street at high velocity will seriously fuck up the morral of any troops.
 
I really doubt it. There are big cultural differences and they are only growing bigger. Ukrainians resent getting invaded. Russians resent Ukrainians living better than them despite being niggers, unlike their master race. Russian mothers resent Ukraine for putting up the fight. If you listen to intercepted cell calls to Russia, most Russians in private aren't shocked with invasion and simply looking to get something out of it before getting shot. If Putin's support is 70-80%% official, I really doubt that it's much less, Russians love wars when they are winning. I've been watching this shit show since 2014 and their gloating when their overwhelming force shoots the opposition like fish in the barrel. Without Western aid this would be Ukraine. Certainly Putin isn't the one who flies sorties and loads shells in thousands of artillery pieces.

good segue

So you guys remember this bird who apparently "staged" a protest on Russian state TV, but there were some doubts about it since state TV runs "behind", it's not exactly live. She got fined, but otherwise was hailed as the brave woman who after years of peddling propaganda saw the light.

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well, you gonna shit bricks finding out that she, Maria Jane Fonda Ovsyanikova, appeared on Italian TV saying that western sanctions hurt Russian children and grandmas, but war in Ukraine is 100% Putin.


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Italy is the second consumer of Russian gas in EU after Germany.


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Huh, always wondered how did that lady got away only with fines while other journalist got threatened with jails. You have to commend the Russian though, that was an amazing work of propaganda
 
Mayor of Mariupol reports city has fallen, and is now fully in Russian hands. Orders "complete evacuation". "We are in the hands of the occupiers", says Mayor Vadym Boichenko.

Other sources use softer language, so I suspect it's not quite official yet and the Mayor is just doing his best in a difficult situation to set expectations for those remaining.

Assuming this is the case, those Russian resources will now be redirected elsewhere vastly accelerating things. They have been bogged down in Mariupol for weeks, and now all of those resources are freed up. Do they head to Odessa? Or do they use it as leverage to end this mess? Putin has to know he can't occupy all of Ukraine, so you would think he would use this as a way to secure the Donbass region and landbridge to Crimea, then offer up a ceasefire.

I would expect the entire conversation about the war to change in the next few days.
He doesn't have enough boots on the ground to really move much from Mariupal elsewhere. The moment he moves any substantial forces Azoz pops up and starts exploding tanks in Mariupal. Putin attempted to invade Ukraine, the largest single country in Europe with 200,000 men. That's not enough to reasonably take and hold most European cities. The math of this was never going to work out.
 
Do you realize that I'm not cheerleading for Zelensky here, right? If he has a mansion in Miami Beach, then it's likely from his business days, as his production company "Kvartal 95" has had long-standing connections with a Jude billionaire Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi, former owner of the biggest bank in Ukraine.

He might as well be a corrupt asshole. What he does right now is more important. When it's peacetime, the people will decide whether they will take him to answer for what he's done or forgive his sins.

What are you trying to prove with this shit?

Elaborate on your point, please or be forever a retard.
"He has money so he must be evil."

Same smooth brain take people make on Donald Trump.
A Wikipedia article is not a strong source.
Wikipedia is a shit source, they list WW2 Germany & Italy both as Fascist.
 
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