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[WogglebugLover]

Quite the opposite, I'm meaning you were being shanked right in the wallet. And I strongly suspect this site won't be as helpful as you think, especially if you're alienating the rest of the Oz fandom. Further, the FindMyAudience site is intended for books/blogs, not movies..

I admit I did spend more than I should have on a few of those things from before. But I'm thinking that is in the past now.

And I am aware that FindMyAudience.com is for books only. That is why I am doing novelizations of my movies also like I said. And I am a member of a few forums that will be better for finding an audience for my movies also. Including, but not limited to, a forum exclusively for independent filmmakers. So it works both ways since I'm doing both novels and movies.

And how many times must I say this, I am not with the Oz fandom and I'm not being among them. I was never writing anything to be among them to actually begin with and I never will. If they do happen to read my Oz-related novels they must be able to at least glean from them that I am not one of their own and want to never be invited to their Oz events.

 

[ActualKiwi]

I admit I did spend more than I should have on a few of those things from before. But I'm thinking that is in the past now.

And I am aware that FindMyAudience.com is for books only. That is why I am doing novelizations of my movies also like I said. And I am a member of a few forums that will be better for finding an audience for my movies also. Including, but not limited to, a forum exclusively for independent filmmakers. So it works both ways since I'm doing both novels and movies.

And how many times must I say this, I am not with the Oz fandom and I'm not being among them. I was never writing anything to be among them to actually begin with and I never will. If they do happen to read my Oz-related novels they must be able to at least glean from them that I am not one of their own and want to never be invited to their Oz events.

...So you're going to make more incredibly-difficult-to-read books based off your horrifying-looking-movies? I don't think that's going to work that well.
What I was saying with the Oz fandom is, honestly, aren't they going to be the only ones who even know who the heck Wogglebug even is? No-one else is going to have any idea what you're on about.
Also, why have you gone back and apparently redacted/ninja edited a large number of your older posts?
"
WogglebugLover, Sep 23, 2014
Last edited: Nov 16, 2015" for example- editing a post almost a month after writing it..

 

[WogglebugLover]

I assure you I only went back to and edited any of the posts I made only to correct any spelling or grammar errors and insert missing words in sentences that slipped by the first time.

And the main reason why I prefer to not be among the Oz fandom is because I prefer actually to be among people who haven't heard about the Wogglebug from before so that they have no prejudiced views of him beforehand and have an open mind to my visions of him and everything. It strikes me as harder to come by such in the Oz fandom than it would elsewhere even if there are still members of it that like him (in some way) and have a broader view of him than most, I still think of those as the exception than the rule. And since not a lot of people these days are familiar with the series it will make it easier to have the preference of viewers who didn't know about him from before.

And you calling my movies horrifying-looking before they've been released reminds me all the more of why I wish to steer clear of people like you having a copy of a DVD of one. You'll all have to watch it on Amazon Instant Video and pay the fee.

I've barely started on the movie because I need to wait on VoiceGuy to start on the recordings of the Wogglebug's lengthy dialogue after New Years with all due respect to him. Then the film should be released as early as March or as late as May next year.

 

[ActualKiwi]

I assure you I only went back to and edited any of the posts I made only to correct any spelling or grammar errors and insert missing words in sentences that slipped by the first time.

And the main reason why I prefer to not be among the Oz fandom is because I prefer actually to be among people who haven't heard about the Wogglebug from before so that they have no prejudiced views of him beforehand and have an open mind to my visions of him and everything. It strikes me as harder to come by such in the Oz fandom than it would elsewhere even if there are still members of it that like him (in some way) and have a broader view of him than most, I still think of those as the exception than the rule. And since not a lot of people these days are familiar with the series it will make it easier to have the preference of viewers who didn't know about him from before.


And you calling my movies horrifying-looking before they've been released reminds me all the more of why I wish to steer clear of people like you having a copy of a DVD of one. You'll all have to watch it on Amazon Instant Video and pay the fee.

I've barely started on the movie because I need to wait on VoiceGuy to start on the recordings of the Wogglebug's lengthy dialogue after New Years with all due respect to him. Then the film should be released as early as March or as late as May next year.

I'm referring to some of the trailers and such I've seen of your animations..they just look terrifying. You really probably should pay someone to do that for you.
You do realise someone will probably grab it off Amazon and post it somewhere anyway right, so their friends can laugh at it, if you make it overpriced and under-refined? You're probably not going to reach that stage by early next year unless you hire a few more people to help, or do a fair bit more work (and a fair bit less forum-arguing/crazy pseudo-religious stuff) than you are..
EDIT: Maybe your family could help with it? Or friends possibly?

 

[WogglebugLover]

I'm referring to some of the trailers and such I've seen of your animations..they just look terrifying. You really probably should pay someone to do that for you.
You do realise someone will probably grab it off Amazon and post it somewhere anyway right, so their friends can laugh at it, if you make it overpriced and under-refined? You're probably not going to reach that stage by early next year unless you hire a few more people to help, or do a fair bit more work (and a fair bit less forum-arguing/crazy pseudo-religious stuff) than you are..
EDIT: Maybe your family could help with it? Or friends possibly?

The trailers and other videos are just starting projects. The actual movies will be the very best I can ever do.

Forget about me ever hiring or paying anyone to do my animation for me. I've worked so hard at getting better at it for years, and I paid so much to purchase the programs and all the content I use to go with them I might as well stick with being my own animator and director and producer and editor as I always have.

Just so you know, my family is not the sort of people for me to turn to for help on these particular things, and my only friends are pretty much limited to a few I have online and who love what I do just the way I do it.

No, I'm just going to keep on doing my animation on my own and do my best at it. I plan to at least have VoiceGuy turn in his recordings in installments as this may encourage me to work harder and longer on certain scenes and elements in my movie and keep schedule on track.

I'm frankly insulted that you actually suggested anyone but me could be better at bringing out my own visions. And I'm certainly not hiring any stranger to do my creative work for me. And I've paid so much for my movie making materials already and cannot afford to pay for anyone to do the animation for me evn if suppose I was willing to, which I'm not. Forget about it.

EDIT: And I doubt if anyone can rip the movie off Amazon Instant Video when Amazon assured me they have Digital Rights Management enabled on their videos.

 

[ActualKiwi]

The trailers and other videos are just starting projects. The actual movies will be the very best I can ever do.

Forget about me ever hiring or paying anyone to do my animation for me. I've worked so hard at getting better at it for years, and I paid so much to purchase the programs and all the content I use to go with them I might as well stick with being my own animator and director and producer and editor as I always have.

Just so you know, my family is not the sort of people for me to turn to for help on these particular things, and my only friends are pretty much limited to a few I have online and who love what I do just the way I do it.

No, I'm just going to keep on doing my animation on my own and do my best at it. I plan to at least have VoiceGuy turn in his recordings in installments as this may encourage me to work harder and longer on certain scenes and elements in my movie and keep schedule on track.

I'm frankly insulted that you actually suggested anyone but me could be better at bringing out my own visions. And I'm certainly not hiring any stranger to do my creative work for me. And I've paid so much for my movie making materials already and cannot afford to pay for anyone to do the animation for me evn if suppose I was willing to, which I'm not. Forget about it.

1) If you're suddenly going to create "the very best" you can ever do, in the timeframe you've given, that's going to be a huge amount of work, given you seem to want to do all the animation yourself.
2) You realise you can actually get better animation programs likely much cheaper than you paid for that pile of junk (which is well outdated now, as well), and some are actually free? If you're trying to juggle that many hats (anim/direct/produc/edit/etc) you're going to have a tough time, see point 1.
3) If you only have a few friends online, that explains a lot. And unfortunately they're unlikely to give you a truly honest opinion of your work.
4) I thought you paid some guy to create the model for you? Isn't that "paying someone else to bring out your visions" ? As would be the voice acting, as well. Just as a note, nearly every single script/story writer who turns their story into a movie lets other people do all of the work I've mentioned- animation, illustration, acting, sets, etc. Because those people have years of experience and knowledge in how to do it, and aren't trying to do a million things at once.
5) If you can't even afford to get someone to do the animation, how are you intending to pay the fee for uploading or hosting the movie with Amazon etc? How are you going to continue to pay your (ridiculously expensive) voice actor? At this point it seriously sounds like you're just tossing money down a hole on a whim, after alienating everyone who could actually help you..

 

[WogglebugLover]

My movie isn't very complicated on this occassion. But I'm willing to put in more time to finish it if need be.
For your information, it isn't possible to produce the same visions I have in any other programs, especially not the Wogglebug character.
I actually paid very little for the only the actual avatars the vendors did. But altogether for the amount of content I've paid for my moviemaking program altogether over the years adds up to the thousands. I want to be able to put it to my own use. And really I can't afford to hire anyone else to do my animation and wouldn't even if I could. I hate the idea of trusting anyone with my visions in motion. I was born to be a filmmaker.
As far as I know there is no paying involved on my part to have Amazon host or upload my movie because the self-publishing website I use takes care of that just as it would take care of the DVDs. You misunderstood that part.
As for how I will continue to pay my voice over for the Wogglebug, I am sure he will never charge me the same amount again if he understands I'm in a completely different living situation now than I was three years ago when I first paid him. I plan to discuss these things with him as soon as I can. If I still need to pay him at all it will likley be in installments and less than I'm paying my illustrators now.

 

[ActualKiwi]

My movie isn't very complicated on this occassion. But I'm willing to put in more time to finish it if need be.
For your information, it isn't possible to produce the same visions I have in any other programs, especially not the Wogglebug character.
I actually paid very little for the only the actual avatars the vendors did. But altogether for the amount of content I've paid for my moviemaking program altogether over the years adds up to the thousands. I want to be able to put it to my own use. And really I can't afford to hire anyone else to do my animation and wouldn't even if I could. I hate the idea of trusting anyone with my visions in motion. I was born to be a filmmaker.
As far as I know there is no paying involved on my part to have Amazon host or upload my movie because the self-publishing website I use takes care of that just as it would take care of the DVDs. You misunderstood that part.
As for how I will continue to pay my voice over for the Wogglebug, I am sure he will never charge me the same amount again if he understands I'm in a completely different living situation now than I was three years ago when I first paid him. I plan to discuss these things with him as soon as I can. If I still need to pay him at all it will likley be in installments and less than I'm paying my illustrators now.

So here's a kind of important question...ballpark figure-wise...How much have you invested in this dream of yours (the whole Woggle-franchise thing)..and how much of that have you recouped? I'm guessing not much on the latter half of the scale given your trouble paying your helpers?

 

[For The Internet]

Cynthia, you are never going to be able to control who watches your movie when you have this level of notoriety. People consider you a lolcow, and the more you dig in your heels and insist you want to screen the film only to people you trust, the more eager people are going to be to spite you by distributing the film.

You can have as many quizzes on your site as you like, someone WILL fill it out and trick you and get a copy of the film and upload it. Someone WILL download the video from Amazon and upload it. Both things will happen. That is inevitable because this is the internet. If The Hunger Games can't control torrenting (in spite of their best efforts), you certainly can't.

You don't seem to understand the levels people will go to for content. This is a site where a member raised over $1000 dollars to donate to Christian Weston Chandler in order to get more Sonichu pages. Places like EDF and /cow/ are way worse with weening. You think that you're smart enough to sort the trolls from the fans with your quiz and a paywall but whether you like it or not your audience is trolls and lolcow observers and they WILL get ahold of your work. I know you've put a lot of work into making Woggle more child-friendly but frankly his backstory is way too complicated for kids and they won't be interested. They might like the songs and characters or the movie itself but trust me when I say kids will give no fucks about the Wogglebug's origins or personal development as a character to the degree you're explaining it here.

You consistently refuse to do the market research that would gain you a small audience of people actually interested in your work as a children's movie. Writer's forums are good for feedback but you are NOT selling to those people, you're selling to parents and you keep giving excuses as to why you're not blanketing forums and facebook groups and other social media for parents of young kids.

Wogglebug is incredibly niche. Even moreso because you are actively paring down the potential audience by being determined to exclude Oz fans (who are literally the only people who will have any clue who the hell Wogglebug is and therefore be interested in your work because of the character himself). You could actually make more money if you accepted trolls and lolcow watchers are going to want to see, maybe even purchase, your work and go along with it. A movie night here (and not just for the 'right' people - for anyone who wants to watch) would signal boost your work and net you some sales (even if it's available for free because people uploaded it).
Just look at Cool Cat. It was an incredibly obscure, terribly written and scripted low budget movie for kids that definitely didn't reach its target audience. Derek Savage did a lot more advertising than you and also didn't exclude people from his audience. It was doomed to obscurity until a youtube channel called YourMovieSucks did a review where they mocked and critiqued Cool Cat. Derek responded positively to the review and tons of people were exposed to Cool Cat - people you would consider trolls - and it became pretty well-known online and Derek made a ton of sales because of it.
Things went great for him until he tried to shut down people who made fun of Cool Cat with false copyright claims and the internet took him to task and lost all respect for him.

There is a massive lesson to be learned by Cool Cat. You can learn from CWC too. He made a comic aimed for kids, it was discovered and popularised by trolls and he's finally stopped trying to control who says what about his 'franchise' and now he makes hundreds per month.

Your work is higher quality than Sonichu by far, and it's probably better than Cool Cat. You want to make a good product and that's great, but your marketing strategy is baffling and your distribution ideas are, as someone said upthread, terrifying and bizarre. You just can't screen buyers if you want to make money. Wogglebug is too niche. If you were working with a better known public domain character you might be able to get away with being a little snobby about your audience, but not with Wogglebug. You should be grateful for every view, mention and sale as if it's a gift from the flying spaghetti monster itself.

I've been reading your posts and biting my tongue because you've been somewhat receptive to members who have been very kind to you, but talking about doing movie screenings for the right people just pushed me out of ambivalence.


ETA (because I didn't catch this bullshit initially): By the way, it's incredibly unprofessional to ask Voiceguy to keep his fee flat and to pay him in installments. He's a very nice guy so he probably won't protest, but I'm going to stand up for him and I'm going to be blunt. This actually pissed me off just because of how good he has been to you.

How do you think things would have gone if, when I did work for Nickelodeon, they had said 'Oh hey, we're kind of low on money right now so even though we said we'd pay you in full in your contract we'd like to pay you in installments instead. Cool, thanks'?

It would NEVER happen because that is not how it works in the industry. Frankly, you're being selfish. You know he's going through a hard time right now and you want to pay him in smaller incriments over time because your financial situation is poor? You don't get to do this because you're an amateur filmmaker and this isn't a production with backers made in a more professional capacity. If you had voiceguy sign a contract where you stipulated payment you are breaking your contract and that is not legal. If you managed to get him to do all that work without a contract then that's even more unprofessional and he should demand a contract from you so he's legally covered. He has worked his ass off for you.

Here's an idea, Cynthia: stop making the fucking movie until you have enough money to pay the people who are working for you.


By the way, pay rates for people (especially actors) go up year by year because of factors like inflation. Even worse than paying him in installments is not giving him an increase over the years when he has been so kind and so loyal to you.

You do not get to fuck him over (or your animator, or anyone else who you hire) because YOUR situation isn't great. You have no right to demand those things of voiceguy. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Malady Twigs]

Edit: (It seems @For The Internet beat me to it; very good points there, thank you for putting them out better than I could have)

I was just about to post how boring and stale this thread had become. What a refreshing surprise.

Hey, WBL, remember those words of encouragement and advice I gave you way back then, in a PM you probably ignored? I take it all back.

So this is what it feels like trying to have a reasonably decent/rational conversation with some cows. Like you're talking to a brick wall. You're cherrypicked and ignored. What a waste of time, I feel really stupid. Well done, Cynthia, you trolled me well, but I'm learning, so I give myself that much credit. There's nothing left here but to antagonize your antics. At least, it's better than seeing this thread turn into your personal online journal like it seemed to before you sperged.

And none of you or anyone on these forums will ever receive a copy of the DVD. As I am still sticking with the plan of only releasing the DVDs through my website. And I will be the only one to actually purchase them from.

And I will have a bit of a test for all who come to me to want to have a copy of the DVD. Which is that they first must be verified as having watched the movie on Amazon Instant Video by having submitted a no less than 5 star review on its Amazon page that must be verified as being completely real and legitimate through a process of them linking the reviewing to me in my email and I will look for certain things in the review to make sure also, which I will not tell you what I will look for to make sure you won't try to cheat me.

Therefore I strongly advise you all to kiss your movie party you wanted on these forums goodbye forever.

"neener-neener, you can't have my movie, hee hee hee"

You should really improve your communication skills, because you sound really arrogant and self-entitled there. For someone in your position, you can't really afford to go smug on people who have been for the past pages nothing but nice and constructive towards you and interested in the development of your works.

And your strategy of making people go through some dumb shit test to get to watch your movie is the same thing you did with your test on your website to let people in your little Wogglebug fanclub. We talked about this before, how it was a bad idea, you seemed to have understood that, but, apparently, it was for naught. Forcing people to give you a 5-star review is a really foolish idea, and no one will be willing to go through all that to risk watching a movie they might dislike.

Even if it was free of charge.

customers who are interested are just going to go buy a Disney movie on Amazon instead of jump through hoops to see a random character they've never heard of

That's exactly what she wants, though. She thinks her strategy is flawless

And I am actually planning more than 4 altogether. I'm going to release at least as many as 4. And I don't care if a few people don't like the first or second or third or fourth movies, etc. I'll still put them out because I know there will be still a lot of people who will like them.

I admire your passion, but maybe you should wake up to real life. Unless you have a hell lot of money to finance everything and cover every cost you might have (doesn't look like it), that's not how it works. This is why sequels of movies that flopped are cancelled, regardless of how much the producers loved it.

What makes you think "a lot of people will like them", by the way? That's a very delusional.

It's just that I do not want anyone here to actually purchase a copy of my DVD and only to download the movie and post it on these forums for a movie night party to be shown to people of whom I'm still not completely trusting of.

Don't flatter yourself. People here would rather watch an entire marathon of CWC videos, because, as embarrassing and autistic as they are, they're actually entertaining. From the trailers I've seen, your movie is really boring and no one would stick around to watch it for longer than 10 minutes. (Or maybe they would, indeed, just to spite you)

And you're really naive if you think people can't find a way or another to get a hold of your movie without your consent.

If a lot of you are really interested in seeing the movie for genuine reasons

How can you tell the genuine apart from the trolls? By "passing" your test? You think that's a flawless strategy?

You're never going to find an audience without critics. Talk to some of the more movie-minded people on here, they'll probably have some suggestions somewhere up their many sleeves.

People have told her that over and over to no avail. In her mind, an audience with critics does not exist.

What I was saying with the Oz fandom is, honestly, aren't they going to be the only ones who even know who the heck Wogglebug even is? No-one else is going to have any idea what you're on about.

That's what I told her as well. She wants to completely re-invent the Wogglebug so that unrelated people will be drawn to him as if he were a completely new character, and it will, somehow, keep Oz fans away.

Yes, I did tell her that's going to be considerably hard.

I'm frankly insulted that you actually suggested anyone but me could be better at bringing out my own visions.

No one said that. What was said was that in order to bring out your visions you should maybe start using the example of the Wogglebug himself and find some humility. This is why many creators cooperate; you can't be perfectly skilled in every craft.

You want to be a multitalented creator who excells at everything, needs no one's help and wants to be a huge success. This is why there's a very high chance of you failing at your endeavors.

And nobody cares if you're frankly insulted or not. Grow a spine.

1) If you're suddenly going to create "the very best" you can ever do, in the timeframe you've given, that's going to be a huge amount of work, given you seem to want to do all the animation yourself.
3) If you only have a few friends online, that explains a lot. And unfortunately they're unlikely to give you a truly honest opinion of your work.
5) If you can't even afford to get someone to do the animation, how are you intending to pay the fee for uploading or hosting the movie with Amazon etc? How are you going to continue to pay your (ridiculously expensive) voice actor? At this point it seriously sounds like you're just tossing money down a hole on a whim, after alienating everyone who could actually help you..

1) She has urealistic expectations.
3) She doesn't believe that. Or she ignores it.
5) See point 1.

For your information, it isn't possible to produce the same visions I have in any other programs, especially not the Wogglebug character.

What? Why not? What the heck are those visions that are so complicated they can't be reproduced in other programs?

You want to go Peter Jackson all by yourself or something?

And really I can't afford to hire anyone else to do my animation and wouldn't even if I could. I hate the idea of trusting anyone with my visions in motion. I was born to be a filmmaker.

People are born to be anything they want. It doesn't mean they will succeed. If they want to raise the chances of getting anywhere in their lives, though, especially when it comes to a creative pursue, they should probably get off their high horses first. Not everyone is born a Tolkien or a Rowling (who in fact got turned down several times before finally getting The Philosopher's Stone published).

And I find it very hard for you to pump out 4 movies of the Wogglebug if the first one fails when you can't even afford any external resource that would actually make your shit better.

As for how I will continue to pay my voice over for the Wogglebug, I am sure he will never charge me the same amount again if he understands I'm in a completely different living situation now than I was three years ago when I first paid him. I plan to discuss these things with him as soon as I can. If I still need to pay him at all it will likley be in installments and less than I'm paying my illustrators now.

You are rather naive. Not saying voiceguy doesn't have any ethics, he seems like a real cool dude who understands how passionate you are about this and I commend him for that, but if times ever get tough for him and he can't find a way out, he might as well do that or abandon your project altogether.

Then what would you do?

 

[ActualKiwi]

@WogglebugLover still haven't seen your answer to the balance question, but I'm guessing you're pretty deep in the red.
On top of that it sounds like your outgoings greatly exceed your income (seeing as we've never once heard you mention a job outside this, just some sort of christmas allowance from your family), which is just going to push you further and further into the red..
With all that said, and the fact you seem dead set on letting almost no-one view your movies..enjoy your next story:
=-~*Cynthia and Wogglebug's*~-=
=-~*Adventures in Bankruptcy*~-=

 

[WogglebugLover]

For the Internet: I'd never heard of Cool Cat actually. I might look it up sometime soon to see how valid your points may be in comparison to my work.

And if it is inevitable that my movie will be "pirated" when its released on DVD, I'll just get ahead of everyone and post it online myself at my website the day the Amazon Instant Video and, or, DVD is also released.

And I feel I'll simply have to at least put out 4 movies because the one that almost was completed (before I changed the script again) that I was for a while planning to release first is now going to be the fourth released instead.

And I am not actually refusing to do market research in the way you mentioned, with the sort of audience you mention. It's just the things that have been stopping me from reaching them is I have a hard time finding the sorts of forums for them when I search. Also, as I said before I've also found a forum that had potential to it that I wasn't qualified to join. The same thing happened not long ago when I signed up for a forum for secular homeschoolers. I couldn't get into the actual forums because I was neither a parent nor a homeschooler.

I'll tell you what, if you or any of you can locate and pinpoint me to a few of such forums and social media groups online that have my targeted audience reachable, I'll spend more time there than here from now on.

As for the Oz fans, it's just that I consider my fandom to be an opposing team to theirs and people will need to choose which teams to root for. Because the Wogglebug really doesn't receive much respect if any at all in the Oz fandom and so he needs another fandom to himself to get it. So that's what I'm giving him. Also because of certain things in my novels I seriously doubt Oz fans would actually become fans of me even if they became readers. As far as as anyone is concerned the Oz fandom and the Wogglebug's fandom will forever be two completely separated fandoms that dislike each other.

As for Voiceguy's payments, I'm not saying I don't want to pay him all at once but just if I do it will likely have to wait for months and months of saving up to do. And I am also paying not one but two illustrators also at the same time. I've paid off Robert Henry for the first two novels art in the past two years (a total of $1,000), and owe him another $400 for the third book next year which I'll be doing in installments every third Wednesday of the month starting in January.

Me and Voiceguy haven't done a contract together yet at all. I was planning to for a long time but never got around to it. But thanks for bringing it up again as it seems important. I want to be able to pay him in the right way for him. I haven't had the chance to discuss these matters with him yet. But I would prefer he tell me what he wants to agree on and not have you actually decide for him. Its disrespectful to both me and him. I admit two things that will make all the difference for me is if I can be able to move to another apartment that has less rent in the spring and have a successful indiegogo campaign next year in the spring also. I can only do my best with all these things.

 

[AnOminous]

Just look at Cool Cat.

That bug kicked sand in Cool Cat's face!

 

[Rin]

For the Internet: I'd never heard of Cool Cat actually. I might look it up sometime soon to see how valid your points may be in comparison to my work.

And if it is inevitable that my movie will be "pirated" when its released on DVD, I'll just get ahead of everyone and post it online myself at my website the day the Amazon Instant Video and, or, DVD is also released.

And I feel I'll simply have to at least put out 4 movies because the one that almost was completed (before I changed the script again) that I was for a while planning to release first is now going to be the fourth released instead.

And I am not actually refusing to do market research in the way you mentioned, with the sort of audience you mention. It's just the things that have been stopping me from reaching them is I have a hard time finding the sorts of forums for them when I search. Also, as I said before I've also found a forum that had potential to it that I wasn't qualified to join. The same thing happened not long ago when I signed up for a forum for secular homeschoolers. I couldn't get into the actual forums because I was neither a parent nor a homeschooler.

I'll tell you what, if you or any of you can locate and pinpoint me to a few of such forums and social media groups online that have my targeted audience reachable, I'll spend more time there than here from now on.

As for the Oz fans, it's just that I consider my fandom to be an opposing team to theirs and people will need to choose which teams to root for. Because the Wogglebug really doesn't receive much respect if any at all in the Oz fandom and so he needs another fandom to himself to get it. So that's what I'm giving him. Also because of certain things in my novels I seriously doubt Oz fans would actually become fans of me even if they became readers. As far as as anyone is concerned the Oz fandom and the Wogglebug's fandom will forever be two completely separated fandoms that dislike each other.

As for Voiceguy's payments, I'm not saying I don't want to pay him all at once but just if I do it will likely have to wait for months and months of saving up to do. And I am also paying not one but two illustrators also at the same time. I've paid off Robert Henry for the first two novels art in the past two years (a total of $1,000), and owe him another $400 for the third book next year which I'll be doing in installments every third Wednesday of the month starting in January.

Me and Voiceguy haven't done a contract together yet at all. I was planning to for a long time but never got around to it. But thanks for bringing it up again as it seems important. I want to be able to pay him in the right way for him. I haven't had the chance to discuss these matters with him yet. But I would prefer he tell me what he wants to agree on and not have you actually decide for him. Its disrespectful to both me and him. I admit two things that will make all the difference for me is if I can be able to move to another apartment that has less rent in the spring and have a successful indiegogo campaign next year in the spring also. I can only do my best with all these things.

It is seriously sounding like you cannot finance your projects. I would suggest that you do not take on anything else or try to make progress on any future works, until you have everything collected and paid for. It probably would have been better to not get started on all this until you had all the money you needed in advance, but there's not much you can do about that now. I would also say that changing your mind again is probably a bad idea, as it will merely wrack up more and more charges.

For communities, I would suggest contacting the administrators privately, explaining your situation to them, and asking if you can join specifically for this purpose. However, I have my suspicions that this will frequently end badly for you, between your difficulties in expressing your point clearly and your overly negative internet footprint.

 

[CatFace]

I might have missed it, what job do you have right now again? Not the wogglebug stuff.

 

[Golly]

For the Internet: I'd never heard of Cool Cat actually. I might look it up sometime soon to see how valid your points may be in comparison to my work.

And if it is inevitable that my movie will be "pirated" when its released on DVD, I'll just get ahead of everyone and post it online myself at my website the day the Amazon Instant Video and, or, DVD is also released.

And I feel I'll simply have to at least put out 4 movies because the one that almost was completed (before I changed the script again) that I was for a while planning to release first is now going to be the fourth released instead.

And I am not actually refusing to do market research in the way you mentioned, with the sort of audience you mention. It's just the things that have been stopping me from reaching them is I have a hard time finding the sorts of forums for them when I search. Also, as I said before I've also found a forum that had potential to it that I wasn't qualified to join. The same thing happened not long ago when I signed up for a forum for secular homeschoolers. I couldn't get into the actual forums because I was neither a parent nor a homeschooler.

I'll tell you what, if you or any of you can locate and pinpoint me to a few of such forums and social media groups online that have my targeted audience reachable, I'll spend more time there than here from now on.

As for the Oz fans, it's just that I consider my fandom to be an opposing team to theirs and people will need to choose which teams to root for. Because the Wogglebug really doesn't receive much respect if any at all in the Oz fandom and so he needs another fandom to himself to get it. So that's what I'm giving him. Also because of certain things in my novels I seriously doubt Oz fans would actually become fans of me even if they became readers. As far as as anyone is concerned the Oz fandom and the Wogglebug's fandom will forever be two completely separated fandoms that dislike each other.

As for Voiceguy's payments, I'm not saying I don't want to pay him all at once but just if I do it will likely have to wait for months and months of saving up to do. And I am also paying not one but two illustrators also at the same time. I've paid off Robert Henry for the first two novels art in the past two years (a total of $1,000), and owe him another $400 for the third book next year which I'll be doing in installments every third Wednesday of the month starting in January.

Me and Voiceguy haven't done a contract together yet at all. I was planning to for a long time but never got around to it. But thanks for bringing it up again as it seems important. I want to be able to pay him in the right way for him. I haven't had the chance to discuss these matters with him yet. But I would prefer he tell me what he wants to agree on and not have you actually decide for him. Its disrespectful to both me and him. I admit two things that will make all the difference for me is if I can be able to move to another apartment that has less rent in the spring and have a successful indiegogo campaign next year in the spring also. I can only do my best with all these things.

For such a verbose person, you use some wacky grammar. ETA: I wouldn't be nitpicking like this if it weren't for how obviously proper and above it all you want to look. It's silly to try to uphold a lofty writing style when you can't support it.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

EDIT: And I doubt if anyone can rip the movie off Amazon Instant Video when Amazon assured me they have Digital Rights Management enabled on their videos.

https://kat.cr/usearch/transparent/

 

[ActualKiwi]

Hah..someone who actually believes DRM will stop people...how very naive..

 

[AnOminous]

https://kat.cr/usearch/transparent/

If it can be played on a display, it can be ripped.

 

[ActualKiwi]

If it can be played on a display, it can be ripped.

Eeexactly. Even if someone has to use a terrible screencapture program like fraps, they'll run the movie once and leave the screencap running until the end. Tada, piracy.