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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Naturally Indians and the Chinese are gonna abuse the fact that they can now get tons of vital resources (like wheat) from Russia for super cheap. Maybe an alliance was not the best word, but it's the one that felt most fitting at the time.
An alliance means all members are equal. Russia will not be an equal member in this "partnership". But that doesn't mean the Chinese and Indians would just stop fighting each other. However, given the fact that there are TONS of Chinese in Siberia, and how China is closer to Russia, I predict China will be the one to get the most out of this arrangement.

As I said before, Putin relying on China to offset the sanctions will turn his country into Northern China. Russia will once again be under the control of an Asiatic power, and Moscow will once again repeat its role of being the top patsy in Russia for an eastern power.
 
That's a lot of words that have little resemblance to reality. The world will look at what Russia did to Ukrainian civilians and decide that maybe a few artillerymen getting shot in the legs a few times, tourniqueted, and then left for their own side to find really isn't that big of an issue.
Maybe. But Ukraine has already pledged they will investigate this, and if Ukrainians are responsible, there will be no amnesty or statute of limitations. So Ukraine and me, we're on the same page.


Note how you don't even accept the fact that Russia committed war crimes,
I didn't express an opinion on anything Russia might have done. It's not necessary for evaluating the legality of the alleged Ukrainian actions. Shooting hors de combat personnel, abusing POWs, reprisals against POWs, are all unlawful under Hague and Geneva, customary law, and Ukraine's municipal law. One of Zelensky's aides has confirmed this. He doesn't whine about the Russians violating international law first, because he knows that's not an argument. He's a smart guy.

yet you cry a river over some civvie-killing artillerymen getting the mafia treatment. That's some really epic double-standards, man. Bombing innocent women and children is only an "alleged" warcrime that isn't even as bad as blowing out someone's kneecaps?
This is the logic of the argument I'm refuting. One party alleges another party did something wrong; the former party uses that to renounce their responsibilities under Hague and Geneva, and customary law, and their municipal law; and finally they torture and execute individual POWs without trial because of some kind of group responsibility.

The group responsibility thing deserves a closer look. You identified the victims as "artillerymen;" how do you know they're artillerymen and not admin or drivers in an artillery unit, or members of some other unit entirely? How do you know they're the specific artillerymen who killed civilians? If they are, how do you know they did so with a culpable state of mind? Do you think the guy who dials in a target is the same guy who selected the target? Killing civilians isn't even illegal per se, you have to consider the value of the military objective, whether or not the number of civilians killed is excessive, etc. It's a specialized body of law and it takes a lot of information to render a decision. Do you want platoon- or company-level elements picking up POWs, making all these determinations on their own, then torturing and executing them? Do you think maybe such actions deserve a little more deliberation?

Give me a fucking break.
Okay. Go have a Kit-Kat bar.
 
Maybe. But Ukraine has already pledged they will investigate this, and if Ukrainians are responsible, there will be no amnesty or statute of limitations. So Ukraine and me, we're on the same page.



I didn't express an opinion on anything Russia might have done. It's not necessary for evaluating the legality of the alleged Ukrainian actions. Shooting hors de combat personnel, abusing POWs, reprisals against POWs, are all unlawful under Hague and Geneva, customary law, and Ukraine's municipal law. One of Zelensky's aides has confirmed this. He doesn't whine about the Russians violating international law first, because he knows that's not an argument. He's a smart guy.


This is the logic of the argument I'm refuting. One party alleges another party did something wrong; the former party uses that to renounce their responsibilities under Hague and Geneva, and customary law, and their municipal law; and finally they torture and execute individual POWs without trial because of some kind of group responsibility.

The group responsibility thing deserves a closer look. You identified the victims as "artillerymen;" how do you know they're artillerymen and not admin or drivers in an artillery unit, or members of some other unit entirely? How do you know they're the specific artillerymen who killed civilians? If they are, how do you know they did so with a culpable state of mind? Do you think the guy who dials in a target is the same guy who selected the target? Killing civilians isn't even illegal per se, you have to consider the value of the military objective, whether or not the number of civilians killed is excessive, etc. It's a specialized body of law and it takes a lot of information to render a decision. Do you want platoon- or company-level elements picking up POWs, making all these determinations on their own, then torturing and executing them? Do you think maybe such actions deserve a little more deliberation?


Okay. Go have a Kit-Kat bar.
Again, the Russians started this by launching an unjust war and shelling civilians indiscriminately. Also, we have VIDEO EVIDENCE of Russians in multiple instances being allowed to surrender and even being allowed to speak in the public sphere. Ukraine has proven several times that if Russians wish to surrender at anytime, they're allowed to. So them giving the mafia treatment to some captured Russians means one of two things:

A) they fought to the end and refused to surrender when given the chance.

or

B) they were Russian artillerymen who have the blood of Ukrainian women and children on their hands.

This might come as a surprise to you, but war criminals are usually treated very poorly by the other side. As in, "if you killed our civilians and didn't observe the rules of war, we won't do that for you, either." If the French Resistance captured some Nazi SS Officer who treated the locals poorly, they'd probably skin him alive, and the Allied commanders won't hold them responsible for it.

Not to mention that again, according to Russia, this isn't a war, just a "special military operation". So the rules of war don't count when one of the combatants practically states that it isn't even a real war to begin with.
 
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US intel assess 'major' strategy shift by Russia as it moves some forces away from Kyiv​



RT has published summary of the negotiations:
"Asst to minister of Defense RF Alexander Fomin: a decision made to drastically reduce military activities near Kiev and Chernihiv directions.
We are hoping that Kyiv will reciprocate and necessary conditions for further work will be made"


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Comments from Russiabros:

treason
here we go
are you fucked?
this is treason
Are you fucked??? How???
The fuck you are doing? traitors
the fuck
smells like treason
the fuck, Chechnya taught us nothing? The fuck going there in the first place then?
the fuck, no compromises to assholes!
are you fucked?
this is humiliation
Why? Putin, we were ready to suffer! You gave Nazis a chance!
What does this mean?
yeah ...

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US intel assess 'major' strategy shift by Russia as it moves some forces away from Kyiv​



RT has published summary of the negotiations:
"Asst to minister of Defense RF Alexander Fomin: a decision made to drastically reduce military activities near Kiev and Chernihiv directions.
We are hoping that Kyiv will reciprocate and necessary conditions for further work will be made"


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Comments from Russiabros:

treason
here we go
are you fucked?
this is treason
Are you fucked??? How???
The fuck you are doing? traitors
the fuck
smells like treason
the fuck, Chechnya taught us nothing? The fuck going there in the first place then?
the fuck, no compromises to assholes!
are you fucked?
this is humiliation
Why? Putin, we were ready to suffer! You gave Nazis a chance!
What does this mean?
yeah ...

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Damn, the cope is strong in this one.

But it makes sense. Russia has low fertility rates thanks to generations of alcohol abuse; saving up their men and cutting down on the war is a logical move.
 
This might come as a surprise to you, but war criminals are usually treated very poorly by the other side. As in, "if you killed our civilians and didn't observe the rules of war, we won't do that for you, either." If the French Resistance captured some Nazi SS Officer who treated the locals poorly, they'd probably skin him alive, and the Allied commanders won't hold them responsible for it.

Not to mention that again, according to Russia, this isn't a war, just a "special military operation". So the rules of war don't count when one of the combatants practically states that it isn't even a real war to begin with.

To drag the inevitable Godwin's Law moment in.

SS troops had standing orders to gun down anyone who was a crewman in a flamethrower tank, so both the Churchill Crocodile and M4 flametank varient.
 
To drag the inevitable Godwin's Law moment in.

SS troops had standing orders to gun down anyone who was a crewman in a flamethrower tank, so both the Churchill Crocodile and M4 flametank varient.
Exactly. People who commit war crimes are treated like outlaws. By which I mean, laws don't apply to them, and people can do anything to them.
 
Imagine being Ukraine and not wanting to give away Donbas.

US intel assess 'major' strategy shift by Russia as it moves some forces away from Kyiv​



RT has published summary of the negotiations:
"Asst to minister of Defense RF Alexander Fomin: a decision made to drastically reduce military activities near Kiev and Chernihiv directions.
We are hoping that Kyiv will reciprocate and necessary conditions for further work will be made"


View attachment 3121784

Comments from Russiabros:

treason
here we go
are you fucked?
this is treason
Are you fucked??? How???
The fuck you are doing? traitors
the fuck
smells like treason
the fuck, Chechnya taught us nothing? The fuck going there in the first place then?
the fuck, no compromises to assholes!
are you fucked?
this is humiliation
Why? Putin, we were ready to suffer! You gave Nazis a chance!
What does this mean?
yeah ...

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Send these niggas on the front line, lol. If I was Putin, I would be like "Hey, really? Thanks! You are all enlisted! Show up to your Chec sodomy partner and commander tomorrow!"
 
Imagine being Ukraine and not wanting to give away Donbas.


Send these niggas on the front line, lol. If I was Putin, I would be like "Hey, really? Thanks! You are all enlisted! Show up to your Chec sodomy partner and commander tomorrow!"
This should be the case with all them warmongering niggas.
 
WTF ... drone footage of two RF trucks leaving woods with two soldiers left running behind them. Ngl, I've no idea what this is all about. Some weird punishment? (another source ids it as 93rd brigade)

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They probably didn't get in the truck in time. Driver wouldn't be able to hear anyone in the back telling him to stop.
 
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4:19 "I think i will be cool, if we take Kiev for 24 hours"
4:20 "Until a shameful peace is concluded - its too early to hang themselves. It has long been known that our Foreign Ministry is Armenian" ; "We underestimated the enemies and overestimated our command" : "Every time negotiations are some kind of total hell"
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4:19 "I think i will be cool, if we take Kiev for 24 hours"
4:20 "Until a shameful peace is concluded - its too early to hang themselves. It has long been known that our Foreign Ministry is Armenian" ; "We underestimated the enemies and overestimated our command" : "Every time negotiations are some kind of total hell"
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And I have to live among these dumb motherfuckers.

Regarding the supposed mistreatment of Russian POW by Ukrainians

What he says makes sense, but regarding the blood, there's a second video where you can see dudes that just got shot bleed out. At least one of them is holding the wound with his hand so it doesn't instantly spill out everywhere, obviously.
Even if these are indeed Russians pretending to be Ukrainians, I still wouldn't put it past them to shoot their own, either deserters or cannon fodder from LNR/DNR.
 
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And I have to live among these dumb motherfuckers.

Regarding the supposed mistreatment of Russian POW by Ukrainians

What he says makes sense, but regarding the blood, there's a second video where you can see dudes that just got shot bleed out. At least one of them is holding the wound with his hand so it doesn't instantly spill out everywhere, obviously.
Even if these are indeed Russians pretending to be Ukrainians, I still wouldn't put it past them to shoot their own, either deserters or cannon fodder from LNR/DNR.

So here is the vid of Russians actually naming names, claiming this took place in Kharkiv and both perps are in their custody:

Депутат Госдумы и генерал-полковник Владимир Шаманов сообщил о захвате двух украинцев, которых в РФ обвиняют в пытках российских военных. По словам Шаманова, взяты в плен Сергей Величко и Константин Немичев – командиры батальонов харьковского «Азова».

Все бы ничего, да только после этого Величко и Немичев записали видео-опровержения из Харькова. «Я нахожусь в плену у людей с больной фантазией», – сказал Величко.




the problem is that both of the named perps are out scott free and recorded this video message




Russiabros .... you have one chance to present your evidence and what you presented is a lie ... I am not waiting for another lie to be presented (like you usually do) Case closed.
 
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