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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Interesting piece taking an honest look at discontent over the war in Russia's inner circles.

This is actually an awesome and very sobering vid that cross confirm a lot of things:

FSB men are more concerned with their own careers and have been repressed in the last 7 years with mini purges and restrictions of owning foreign properties and leaving.
I do know that retired military had similar restrictions placed about leaving the country, but all in all, FSB especially is a great place from the compensation perspective, great salaries and perks.

A lot of dead coming back are from small and depressed regions, spread far and wide around Russia, not concentrated in St.Petes or Moscow, so the impact of dead isn't really a factor
If you watch rf200 channel with stream of dead notices and IDs published, you'll come to the same conclusion, lots of people in bum-fuck little cities no one heard of

Putin thinks that he knows about Ukraine more than what intelligence tells him.
Putin has been getting a lot into history or more specifically in his own version of history where he rants on and lectures nonsense. Essentially he becomes Hitler who had excellent, capable generals who were kneecapped to do anything because dumb maniac insisted on bullshit. That explains a whole lot.

There is no real opposition in Russia waiting in the wings to take over.

A lot of oligharchs have become part of Russian military industrial complex (state), not just business, so they are kind of useless in forcing change.
 
How dare you insult Perturabo like that. He had at least had actual plans for his sieges, and while ruthless and brutal, got the job done more often than not.
That is true. Unlike Putin, Perturabo is a technical savant who had terrible battle plans, whereas Putin has no logistics or battle plan at all. At the very least Pert could secure vehicles & guns for his PEZ dispenser troops.
 
That is true. Unlike Putin, Perturabo is a technical savant who had terrible battle plans, whereas Putin has no logistics or battle plan at all. At the very least Pert could secure vehicles & guns for his PEZ dispenser troops.
Hey, its not easy to maintain a constant resupply of Marines when you go through them like Perty did. Man was at least as talented as Rowboat was when it came to logistics and supply concerns.
 
Military camp in Russian territory was shelled, supposedly by Ukrainians which would be utterly retarded as it would guarantee escalation, my money is on false flag but who knows.


March 29 (Reuters) - A shell hit a temporary Russian military camp near the border with Ukraine late on Tuesday, Tass news agency said and cited a source as saying preliminary data showed it had been fired from the Ukrainian side.

Tass issued the report shortly after a senior local official reported a series of explosions outside the city of Belgorod, close to the border with Ukraine.

Video posted online from two local Belgorod news outlets appeared to show ammunition blowing up in the distance but Reuters was not immediately able to confirm this was the case.

Tass cited an emergency services source as saying four people had been injured in the blast.

Belgorod governor Vyacheslav Gladkov earlier said in an online post that the blasts occurred near the village of Krasny Oktyabr, about 30 km (19 miles) southwest of Belgorod. He did not give a reason for the blasts and promised an update later.

Belgorod is 80 km (50 miles) north of the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, which Russian forces have bombarded heavily in recent weeks.
 
I'm not sure I understand what's bad about AK-47s? Aren't they supposed to be excellent weapons or is that just a meme?

Semi-meme. The 47s are even worse than their later counterparts for accuracy due to the heavy internals which the 74 onwards began to lighten, they're heavy, bulky, not even an option for a lighter or folding stock, ergonomically they're trash, the magazines have this weird "rock and lock" method to them which people under stress (Ya know, like barely trained conscripts getting shot at) will fuck up and thanks to the stupidity of the fire selector design mud and sand will fuck it up and cause it to jam.
 
Semi-meme. The 47s are even worse than their later counterparts for accuracy due to the heavy internals which the 74 onwards began to lighten, they're heavy, bulky, not even an option for a lighter or folding stock, ergonomically they're trash, the magazines have this weird "rock and lock" method to them which people under stress (Ya know, like barely trained conscripts getting shot at) will fuck up and thanks to the stupidity of the fire selector design mud and sand will fuck it up and cause it to jam.
LMAO I guess the whole "it doesn't break, jam or overheat" was a total meme. Since it has all these problems where does it rank along other firearms? Upper middle or mediocre?
 
LMAO I guess the whole "it doesn't break, jam or overheat" was a total meme. Since it has all these problems where does it rank along other firearms? Upper middle or mediocre?
The AK-47 is a good rifle, though most "47s" you'll see are AKMs, which are stamped instead of milled. Maintenence is pretty easy and the platform is easy to learn for newcomers, and it is pretty hardy. Though it can't take a pound or two of dirt in the internals, which is really just fuddlore, no rifle can.
 
LMAO I guess the whole "it doesn't break, jam or overheat" was a total meme. Since it has all these problems where does it rank along other firearms? Upper middle or mediocre?
Still upper as any old dumbass can use it, which was the point of a lot of soviet design ethic until the early 21st century (where Russia discovered how fucking expensive a lot of this shit actually is). They also began improving it after the initial disasterous run in the factories (47 denoted the year developed but didn't see widespread issue until 56). The fact those guys are bitching means someone found a barn of them and handed them out,

Could be worse, they could wind up with some SKS's some Vanya randomly kept in one of the endless warehouses out there because he sold off all the 74Ms
 
LMAO I guess the whole "it doesn't break, jam or overheat" was a total meme. Since it has all these problems where does it rank along other firearms? Upper middle or mediocre?

AK-47 use 7.62x39, basically close to 308 caliber (three lines, 0.3 ... they made it meme before Adidas), heavy bullet that's great in a brush or wooded areas also through some walls or covers. Heavy bullets are harder to deflect. After US adopted 556 Soviets came up with AK 74 - 5.45x39 ammo. The advantages is that ammo weights less, trajectory is much flatter, but AK 74 is functionally identical to AK47, how it works. Russian/Ukrainians use AK74 and "variants" that came after in 5.45 comblock caliber. Felt recoil on AK74 is less, pretty much like 556 and a lot of noobs shoot it more accurately, but mainly the weight factor becomes an issue when you are shipping millions of rounds around the world and someone has to carry enough for patrol. A few pounds matter on a long trek.

surplus of AK-47 have been sold in droves to US and a lot of countries around the world. They are stupid hardy, simple to fix, require practically no maintenance, but are inherently less accurate, trading toughness and price for precision.

So issued AK47s are basically same as Mosin rifles (designed in 1891 ... yes 1800) an indication that troops are not equiped to the best standards.

I'm not going to go over AK vs AR, but you should sign up to a gun forum and ask. People will be very helpful and polite to explain the differences without prejudice.


I will have to say this though. Soviets did conduct a massive ergonomics study, but Soviet war doctrines are different from Western views (i.e. masses of slave conscripts dying for motherland)
 
This is just peak 'tism. This is like Chris-Chan burning an effigy of blarm Sonic. Yes, let's ban this specific letter from the alphabet.

Is this just what we do now? You can't bum rush "the enemy" with a full scale invasion and draw a river of blood because of nukes, so instead we just delete symbols and letters from our vernacular as a surrogate for our blood lust?
 
I'm not going to go over AK vs AR, but you should sign up to a gun forum and ask. People will be very helpful and polite to explain the differences without prejudice.
We got that here, fam. It's surprisingly civil, and we have the knowledge of several Kiwis who aren't paid nearly enough for sharing.
Soviet war doctrines are different from Western views (i.e. masses of slave conscripts dying for motherland)
Seems like if they'd stuck to the Fulda Gap doctrine, with masses of regular infantry accompanying their armor & supply columns, rather than relying on mechanized infantry & airborne troops alone, they'd have had Kiev in a matter of days. And possibly with fewer casualties than they're taking now.
 
We got that here, fam. It's surprisingly civil, and we have the knowledge of several Kiwis who aren't paid nearly enough for sharing.

Seems like if they'd stuck to the Fulda Gap doctrine, with masses of regular infantry accompanying their armor & supply columns, rather than relying on mechanized infantry & airborne troops alone, they'd have had Kiev in a matter of days. And possibly with fewer casualties than they're taking now.
With how they've been performing, more likely we get meat streets that are crimson red on the city outskirts.
 
Seems like if they'd stuck to the Fulda Gap doctrine, with masses of regular infantry accompanying their armor & supply columns, rather than relying on mechanized infantry & airborne troops alone, they'd have had Kiev in a matter of days. And possibly with fewer casualties than they're taking now.
The thing is, they can't afford that. Population demographics have been on a steep decline ever since the 2000s in Russia, and it only gets worse with rampant alcohol abuse ravaging the country, leading to men having lower testosterone counts and sperm production. So Russia today doesn't have as much men as the old Russian Empire and the USSR did when they mass-charged against the German lines in both world wars.

With how they've been performing, more likely we get meat streets that are crimson red on the city outskirts.
You'll have red streets lined with so much chunky salsa that buzzards will be all over the streets for weeks on end.
 
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