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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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This is just peak 'tism. This is like Chris-Chan burning an effigy of blarm Sonic. Yes, let's ban this specific letter from the alphabet.

Is this just what we do now? You can't bum rush "the enemy" with a full scale invasion and draw a river of blood because of nukes, so instead we just delete symbols and letters from our vernacular as a surrogate for our blood lust?

Kuleba did specify and mean display of "Z" as support for the invasion, like 80% Russians are in favor and many stick that shit on their cars and places of business. Btw. within Russia a lot of people are violently anti-Z ... as in you can find your car wrecked and tires slashed. Outside of 80% there are some people who watch unfiltered news.

Nazi and Communist symbols are outlawed in both Ukraine and Poland and probably few other countries.

The reason why this is such a sore spot, in Poland/Ukraine/Belarus, some parts of Russia population losses were 50% or more due to those regimes. Of course commies blamed a lot of things they did themselves (during scorched earth retreats, Katyn etc) on Nazis, so Nazis def got it twice as rough in the minds of the people.
The difference between US and say Ukraine, you can walk through any town and talk to anyone, and every single person has a family tree that was trimmed way the fuck down to a few or a single branch because of two megalomaniacal assholes. The stories are well alive, it is something that even younger generation somewhat remembers well.

I appreciate that US is a tolerant place. But even in US, I can see a dude with an AlQaeda flag walking into 9/11 survivors group and getting the living shit beat out of him, and passers by only cheering them on.

Russia with its FSB derived KGB in all elements of power and commie simps, tries to preserve Soviet righteousness, denying that Soviet union allied with Nazis in 1939 (WWII legally started in 1941, and saying otherwise will get you in jail), that many communist leaders were sadistic murderers. They equate this to "Russophobia" which in reality is commie hate, and a well deserved one at that. This is because admitting to all the commie crimes would bring into doubt the legitimacy of the Russian government itself. Soviet Union never fell in Russia or Belarus, at least in Russia it mutated, but was never rooted out.
 
Kuleba did specify and mean display of "Z" as support for the invasion, like 80% Russians are in favor and many stick that shit on their cars and places of business.
So basically, "Z" is the Swastika of our modern age. Before WW2, the swastika was a harmless Hindu/Eurasian symbol of good luck, basically the old world's version of a four-leaf clover, now it's synonymous with genocide. And now, "Z" is synonymous with a regime that fired bombs at civilian complexes while sending wave after wave of gopniks to their deaths.

Btw. within Russia a lot of people are violently anti-Z ... as in you can find your car wrecked and tires slashed. Outside of 80% there are some people who watch unfiltered news.
Of course. In a country such as Russia where autocracy has such a strong sway, there are those who would be suspicious of anything the central government says, and would have ways to circumvent their firewalls.

Nazi and Communist symbols are outlawed in both Ukraine and Poland and probably few other countries.
For obvious reasons-the Nazis and Commies made their lives hell.

The reason why this is such a sore spot, in Poland/Ukraine/Belarus, some parts of Russia population losses were 50% or more due to those regimes. Of course commies blamed a lot of things they did themselves (during scorched earth retreats, Katyn etc) on Nazis, so Nazis def got it twice as rough in the minds of the people.
Many Communist sins during WW2 on the Eastern Front were either forgotten or lumped with the Nazis, and both the western leftists and the Russian leaders prefer it that way.

The difference between US and say Ukraine, you can walk through any town and talk to anyone, and every single person has a family tree that was trimmed way the fuck down to a few or a single branch because of two megalomaniacal assholes. The stories are well alive, it is something that even younger generation somewhat remembers well.
For most people in the US, the stories of Hitler and Stalin's genocides are more like fairy tales. Maybe they had a parent grandparent who fought in WW2, Korea, or Vietnam. But for people in countries like Poland and Ukraine, the Stalin era and WW2 weren't just the stories of two men with funny mustaches doing terrible things, since they do have families and ancestors who were wronged by these maniacs. And such memories are burned into the minds of the next generation, which is why they're not as detached about Hitler or Stalin as most Americans are.

Russia with its FSB derived KGB in all elements of power and commie simps, tries to preserve Soviet righteousness, denying that Soviet union allied with Nazis in 1939 (WWII legally started in 1941, and saying otherwise will get you in jail), that many communist leaders were sadistic murderers. They equate this to "Russophobia" which in reality is commie hate, and a well deserved one at that. This is because admitting to all the commie crimes would bring into doubt the legitimacy of the Russian government itself. Soviet Union never fell in Russia or Belarus, at least in Russia it mutated, but was never rooted out.
So basically, Russia today is ruled by Commieboos who, even after ditching socialism, still simp for the USSR because of the power and prestige it gave to Moscow. And reminding them of the Soviets' crimes, like what they did in Poland and what they did to the Warsaw Pact nations, is considered hate speech.

This is a country that is beloved by the right-wingers of today, I remind you all. A country that sees the truth as hate speech.

Is it any wonder that some Russians, even in the army, turn against Putin as soon as they get the chance?

 
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With how they've been performing, more likely we get meat streets that are crimson red on the city outskirts.
It really shouldn't take many bodies to support their armored formations....... given proper air cover. :story:
(Russian) Population demographics have been on a steep decline ever since the 2000s in
Looks like the demographics have been much worse than they've stated, which is why they literally couldn't scrape enough conscripts up for a complete, combined arms Berlin-style zerg rush.
 
It really shouldn't take many bodies to support their armored formations....... given proper air cover. :story:
Air power and air cover are the keys to winning modern battles. This is why Russia is losing; Bayraktar drones harass their lines freely, while their planes and assault helicopters get shot down. In contrast, America had full control of the air within hours of starting their war with Iraq in 2003. So Russiaboos who were comparing this war to America's war with Iraq in 2003 were completely off-kilter. Yes, the war took weeks, but America had full control of the air rather quickly.

Looks like the demographics have been much worse than they've stated, which is why they literally couldn't scrape enough conscripts up for a complete, combined arms Berlin-style zerg rush.
Exactly. Their strategies would have worked, if they had the disposable numbers for a Berlin-style Zerg Rush, as well as enough manpower to keep occupied territory. They don't have said numbers, and the rampant alcoholism and abortions in Russia made sure they don't have such numbers.
 
It really shouldn't take many bodies to support their armored formations....... given proper air cover. :story:

Looks like the demographics have been much worse than they've stated, which is why they literally couldn't scrape enough conscripts up for a complete, combined arms Berlin-style zerg rush.
Their demographics have been absolutely cratering since the fall of the USSR thanks to a combination of emigration and misery. Net negative growth year after year. They have something like all of 145 million people, down from their peak in 1992 of 148.5 million people. Russia is dying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII
 

US intel assess 'major' strategy shift by Russia as it moves some forces away from Kyiv​



RT has published summary of the negotiations:
"Asst to minister of Defense RF Alexander Fomin: a decision made to drastically reduce military activities near Kiev and Chernihiv directions.
We are hoping that Kyiv will reciprocate and necessary conditions for further work will be made"


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treason
here we go
are you fucked?
this is treason
Are you fucked??? How???
The fuck you are doing? traitors
the fuck
smells like treason
the fuck, Chechnya taught us nothing? The fuck going there in the first place then?
the fuck, no compromises to assholes!
are you fucked?
this is humiliation
Why? Putin, we were ready to suffer! You gave Nazis a chance!
What does this mean?
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Why? Putin, we were ready to suffer!
The most Russian thing I've read today.
 
I'm with this dude, Russia is merely stalling and trying to save face with peace talks - this conflict is far from over. They didn't as much choose to move out of Kiev, rather they got their assess kicked and their forces couldn't go on without supplies.
They're preparing for something. Seeing trains loaded with self-propelled artillery is worrying. It just means they're doubling down on indiscriminate destruction.
 
Seeing trains loaded with self-propelled artillery is worrying. It just means they're doubling down on indiscriminate destruction.
Something tells me they're going to be far less effective than Putin was hoping for. Gotta wonder how long and how badly stored their ammo was. There's a non-zero chance of a Russian SPG committing critical existence failure as a result of bad ammo storage and improper handling by untrained conscript crew.
 
Something tells me they're going to be far less effective than Putin was hoping for. Gotta wonder how long and how badly stored their ammo was. There's a non-zero chance of a Russian SPG committing critical existence failure as a result of bad ammo storage and improper handling by untrained conscript crew.
Hopefully, but that won't stop them from trying. After seeing how horrific these weapons are, I wonder what exactly can be done by opposing forces to counter them.
US would probably have something like AC-130 rain hellfire upon them.
 
I'm with this dude, Russia is merely stalling and trying to save face with peace talks - this conflict is far from over. They didn't as much choose to move out of Kiev, rather they got their assess kicked and their forces couldn't go on without supplies.
They're preparing for something. Seeing trains loaded with self-propelled artillery is worrying. It just means they're doubling down on indiscriminate destruction.
I see, they're going the scorched Earth route without hitting the nuke button.

Sounds like an idiot strategy, let's see how that works out for them.
Their demographics have been absolutely cratering since the fall of the USSR thanks to a combination of emigration and misery. Net negative growth year after year. They have something like all of 145 million people, down from their peak in 1992 of 148.5 million people. Russia is dying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII
You mean to tell me this huge slice of land only has half the population of the United States?

That is both disturbing and intriguing.
 
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I see, they're going the scorched Earth route without hitting the nuke button.

Sounds like an idiot strategy, let's see how that works out for them.

You mean to tell me this huge slice of land only has half the population of the United States?

That is both disturbing and intriguing.
It works together though, they can go scorched earth on Eastern Ukraine leaving literally nothing there but craters and it'll fit right into general makeup of Russia, just some more sparsely populated, largely empty and useless dirt.

Would work great as a minefield zone separating the west from the empire of dirt.
 
Hopefully, but that won't stop them from trying. After seeing how horrific these weapons are, I wonder what exactly can be done by opposing forces to counter them.
US would probably have something like AC-130 rain hellfire upon them.

Just gunna get drone'd.

A lot.

Its certainly been another fascinating study of roughly equal forces clashing with the addition of drone tech on one side. It really changes the balance of power, even without one side or the other having air superiority.
 
The Wagner Group stuff. Doubt it's the best video on the matter, but it should make for an ok primer for those unfamiliar
Just gunna get drone'd.

A lot.

Its certainly been another fascinating study of roughly equal forces clashing with the addition of drone tech on one side. It really changes the balance of power, even without one side or the other having air superiority.
I'm honestly thinking it would be helpful for someone in Russia to cause these trains to derail or something, that way this artillery won't even get there. It would be a serious risk for said someone.
 
I'm with this dude, Russia is merely stalling and trying to save face with peace talks - this conflict is far from over. They didn't as much choose to move out of Kiev, rather they got their assess kicked and their forces couldn't go on without supplies.
They're preparing for something. Seeing trains loaded with self-propelled artillery is worrying. It just means they're doubling down on indiscriminate destruction.
What if the Russians will try to actually use the nuclear shells?

Pardon my vulgar metaphor, but poor Vova isn't done cumming. He's been a war incel for almost 15 years and he needs to cum.

I mean, "like it or don't like it - endure, my beauty"? All these talks about grannies and dicks. Come on.

Putin is an incel that got on top of the nuclear power and NNNNNNNOW HE'S GOING ALL in. What being called "Moth" and "Cigarette Butt" does to a motherfucker.
 
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India Stands by Trade With Russia as Lavrov Set to Visit​


Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is set to fly to India this week, sources said, finding time to visit to one of the biggest buyers of Russian commodities since the international community began isolating Moscow for its invasion of Ukraine.

There is little sign that buying will slow down any time soon, as more deals get signed. One source said the two countries could discuss smoothening trade payments disrupted by Western sanctions on Russian banks. Media have said he could hold talks in the Indian capital on Friday.

It will only be Lavrov's third visit overseas since Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, after a trip to Turkey for talks with his Ukrainian counterpart earlier this month and a scheduled meeting in China on Thursday.

Russia is India's main supplier of defence hardware but overall annual trade is small, averaging about $9 billion in the past few years, mainly fertiliser and some oil. By comparison, India's bilateral trade with China is more than $100 billion a year.

But given sharp discounts on Russian crude oil since the attack on Ukraine, India has bought at least 13 million barrels, compared with nearly 16 million barrels imported from the country for the whole of last year. Many European countries have also continued to buy Russian energy despite publicly criticising Moscow.

New Delhi has called for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine but has refused to explicitly condemn Moscow's actions. It has abstained from voting on multiple U.N. resolutions on the war.

India is now considering doubling its imports of Russian coking coal used in making steel, the Indian steel minister said on Sunday. Reuters reported on Tuesday that India recently contracted to buy 45,000 tonnes of Russian sunflower oil for April delivery after supplies from Ukraine stopped. Last year, India bought about 20,000 tonnes from Russia a month.

"India will import more items from Russia, especially if it is at a discount," one senior Indian government official said.
The government has been looking to establish a rupee-rouble trade system and discussions between Indian and Russian financial officials are ongoing, said the source. All the sources declined to be named as the talks were private.

The Indian government and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

OTHER MECHANISMS

Besides the rupee-rouble trade window, several other options are on the cards, including settling all government and quasi-government payments directly through the central banks of the two countries, said the source.

"India has made up its mind to continue trading with Russia, one way or the other," said Happymon Jacob, a professor of international studies at New Delhi's Jawaharlal Nehru University.

"During the Russian foreign minister's visit, the bureaucracy could definitely bring up the issue of how to continue looking for alternative mechanisms to smoothen trade relations between the two sides."

Russia's embassy in New Delhi said it could not confirm the visit. India's foreign ministry said it had no information to share.

In a sign of sustained ties despite the Ukraine crisis, India is considering allowing Russia to use its funds lying with the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) to invest in Indian corporate bonds, said another Indian government source.

Russia has retained about 20 billion rupees ($263 million) of Indian payments for Russian defence equipment with the RBI.

But another Indian government official said New Delhi would have to diplomatically tackle pressure from the West to be able to maintain its ties with Russia.

U.S. President Joe Biden said this month India was "somewhat shaky" in acting against Russia. A U.S. diplomat said last week after meeting Indian officials in New Delhi that the United States had not asked partners like India to suddenly stop energy purchases from Russia.


FBI says Russian hackers scanning U.S. energy systems and pose 'current' threat​


Russian hackers have been scanning the systems of energy companies and other critical infrastructure in the United States, and state-sponsored hacking by Russia presents a "current" threat to American national security, a top FBI official told lawmakers on Tuesday.
"The threat from Russia in a criminal sense, in the nation state sense, is very, very real - and current," said Bryan Vorndran, an assistant director in the FBI's cyber division, during a hearing before a U.S. House of Representatives panel.

In the weeks since Russia's unprovoked attack against Ukraine, the White House and the Justice Department have been warning U.S. companies about intelligence suggesting that Russia has been taking early steps toward possibly launching cyberattacks.
Vorndran told lawmakers that "instances of Russian scanning" networks in the U.S. energy sector have increased recently, and he said such activity represents a "reconnaissance phase" by Russia to try and understand a company's defenses and whether it has vulnerabilities that could be exploited.

"It's an extremely important part of the overall attacks," he noted, adding later in his testimony that Russia represents "one of the two most capable cyber adversaries we face globally," and is "a formidable foe."
Last year, well before Russia's attack on Ukraine, U.S. President Joe Biden openly warned Russian President Vladimir Putin that certain critical infrastructure should be "off-limits" to cyberattacks.

That warning applied to 16 different kinds of infrastructure - an apparent reference to the 16 sectors designated as critical by the U.S. Homeland Security Department, including telecommunications, healthcare, food and energy.
Since that time Vorndran told lawmakers he was aware of software companies, among others who have been targeted with attacks.

"There are compromises against some of those 16 critical infrastructure sectors," he said. "I can't speak specifically to which ones."

 
I wonder what exactly can be done by opposing forces to counter them
Ukraine will probably use their drones to either hit them directly or to spot for counter battery fire.


US would probably have something like AC-130 rain hellfire upon them.
AC-130 is a meme at this point. US would either strike them with PMGs from proper jets, or use counter battery radars and their own guns to retaliate
 
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Hopefully, but that won't stop them from trying. After seeing how horrific these weapons are, I wonder what exactly can be done by opposing forces to counter them.
US would probably have something like AC-130 rain hellfire upon them.
Fire-finder radars can back-compute artillery locations by tracking shell trajectories. Old tech that dates back to WW2. Once found, things like drones or other artillery can counter-battery them. That in turn can be defeated by packing up and moving before opposing forces can retaliate, but that requires a well-trained crew. And needless to say, Russia is a bit short on trained manpower at the moment.
You mean to tell me this huge slice of land only has half the population of the United States?

That is both disturbing and intriguing.
Half the population, a fraction of the industry, and a GDP less than New York state. Modern Russia is the very definition of a failed country.
AC-130 is a meme at this point. US would either strike them with PMGs from proper jets, or use counter battery radars and their own guns to retaliate
There are only two things that walked upon the Earth the Wehrmacht ever truly feared in WW2: the Russian hordes and US artillery.

As to flying death, why not both? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-176_Griffin The latest AC-130's can deploy both those and under-wing Hellfires, plus they've brought back the good old 105mm since its cheaper and more accurate than SDB's.
 
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