Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Jeep1971]

Isn't that like celebrating Kurt Cobain Day on November 20 because he blew his brains out with a Remington Model 11 20-gauge shotgun?

Oh contrare, didn't you know Down Syndrome is a fabulous blessing and all of them end up being just like the happy tards we see on TV shows. TV is never deceitful.

 

[booklover]

A meltdown is basically your brain shitting itself due to being overloaded with too much sensory input. Only thing that can really stop them is getting somewhere quiet.

That said, I think a lot of Autism Warrior Mom types drag their kids to sensory-unfriendly places more than necessary only to play the martyr about how their kid is always having meltdowns (no shit your kid is having meltdowns when you're dragging them to the grocery store and other places notorious for being godawful if you're autistic every single goddamn day).

That makes me think of people who have normal kids, who take the places they don't like just so they can come up with an excuse to punish them.

 

[Android raptor]

That makes me think of people who have normal kids, who take the places they don't like just so they can come up with an excuse to punish them.

Pretty much, narcparents gonna narcparent regardless if they have a normal kid or an autist.

Speaking of it's about to be April and thus 'tism month, Autism Warrior Parents(tm) should be even louder and more obnoxious than usual and thus it should be a great time to observe them&their (terrible)behavior.

 

[Jeep1971]

Pretty much, narcparents gonna narcparent regardless if they have a normal kid or an autist.

Speaking of it's about to be April and thus 'tism month, Autism Warrior Parents(tm) should be even louder and more obnoxious than usual and thus it should be a great time to observe them&their (terrible)behavior.

I think Autism is over-diagnosed. Give me hats or dislikes but it's true. Every other mother I meet claims one or more of their kids is "on the spectrum". I think it's because a lot of people have caught on that they can get SSDI checks for these kids and took off running.
Why work when you can get thousands of bucks a month for "disabled" children? It's a scam and I wish doctors were more observant of this.

 

[FarmVille]

That would cut into the scams doctors are running by over diagnosing

 

[booklover]

I think Autism is over-diagnosed. Give me hats or dislikes but it's true. Every other mother I meet claims one or more of their kids is "on the spectrum". I think it's because a lot of people have caught on that they can get SSDI checks for these kids and took off running.
Why work when you can get thousands of bucks a month for "disabled" children? It's a scam and I wish doctors were more observant of this.

A good way to tell if it, or other conditions like ADHD, are real is whether or not they brag about it, and expect the world to revolve around them because of it. If it's real, they tell the people who need to know, and try to make things as normal as possible for the child and the rest of the family.

If the father is involved in the parenting and treatment, it's also probably a genuine diagnosis.

 

[Doppio Vinegar]

I think Autism is over-diagnosed. Give me hats or dislikes but it's true. Every other mother I meet claims one or more of their kids is "on the spectrum". I think it's because a lot of people have caught on that they can get SSDI checks for these kids and took off running.
Why work when you can get thousands of bucks a month for "disabled" children? It's a scam and I wish doctors were more observant of this.

That, or:
1) We're learning how to identify and diagnose autism at a higher accuracy.
2) We're diagnosing more mild forms of autism instead of letting it fester.
3) Diets that mainly consist of processed foods do not prove well for the baby during pregnancy. (edit: this was mostly me being speculative but yes processed foods are still schnasty)

I understand where you're coming from, and you are describing a real problem, but get over yourself. I can almost guarantee that more families have benefitted from their child getting an autism diagnosis than there are families who only got their child a diagnosis for government money. In some cases, the diagnosis process is probably more expensive than the money you'd end up getting from SSDI checks, anyways. It's really not as much money per check as you think it is.

 

[booklover]

And besides, parents who realize their child has a difference can get it diagnosed, and in many cases treated, instead of "putting them away" in the more severe cases, although denial, blame, and punishment still happen.

It's actually quite common for parents, grandparents, older aunts and uncles, even older siblings, etc. to get diagnosed in the wake of a child, because they see something about themselves in that child and get evaluated.

p.s. I personally know of several such cases, where other people have said, "S/he seems perfectly normal to me, but then again, I don't live with them" or, sadly, situations where adults may not be able to instantly tell if a child has a difference, but the other kids can.

 

[Old Wizard]

I think Autism is over-diagnosed. Give me hats or dislikes but it's true. Every other mother I meet claims one or more of their kids is "on the spectrum". I think it's because a lot of people have caught on that they can get SSDI checks for these kids and took off running.
Why work when you can get thousands of bucks a month for "disabled" children? It's a scam and I wish doctors were more observant of this.

I've always heard that ADHD is overdiagnosed (unsurprising, given that we expect kids to be able to sit still for an unnatural amount of time from a very young age) whereas autism is underdiagnosed. I'd bet good money that the only underdiagnosed form of autism is Aspergers, and that it's mostly female spergs who are written off as just awkward or males who blend in with the all-vaguely-autistic CS/sci-fi/tech nerd crowd.
Most children diagnosed with autism are intellectually disabled or are borderline, so it's unlikely that these moms you're running into are trying to pass their kid's awkwardness off as autism to get tardbux. Their kid is probably genuinely retarded.

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

I’m not discussing legal rights. The United States has a separation of church and state, so that is irrelevant. Many of the women itt are Christians, and I’m comparing different Christian doctrines. One that, for many is reasonable, compared to one that is hypocritical at best.

Not as much, anymore, thanks to a 'doctrine' called Christian Dominionism. It's something that may have originated with Rushdoony, and is behind the attempts to heavily restrict abortion and to punish the mother. It is a belief system that God had lost earthly dominion to the devil, and 'needs' Christians to 'reclaim' that dominion before Christ can return. It's a big reason why conservative politicians are now pushing for this degree of intrusive government involvement into the personal lives of women, when seemingly they previously liked a small government that somewhat left normal people alone.

 

[Android raptor]

Part of the rise in autism diagnosis is also due to autistic girls and women, who have been massively underdiagnosed historically, finally getting diagnosis. It's a whole complicated thing but tl;dr, autistic girls&women tend to mask better so they often aren't diagnosed.

Also asperger's hasn't been a diagnosis in the US in almost 10 years. It still is in some countries, just not the US. It was just rolled into autism proper because there wasn't any real reason to keep it separate as understanding of what autism is improved.

That said, there are fucked up narcparents who will make their autistic kid's existence all about them, or scapegoat the autistic kid for all the problems in the family (sadly easy to do). Any time you see a mommy blogger treating their child's disability as their own identity, it's a huge red flag.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Another change is that dsorders such as Autism and ADHD/ADD required neurologist to diagnose before now the diagnosis is open to behavioral specialists (pyschiatrists, etc.) as well.

 

[Allo Vera]

That, or:
1) We're learning how to identify and diagnose autism at a higher accuracy.
2) We're diagnosing more mild forms of autism instead of letting it fester.
3) Diets that mainly consist of processed foods do not prove well for the baby during pregnancy.

I was with you on points 1 and 2, but poor maternal diet just doesn’t stack up as a factor to me.

I think the concept of autism being over-diagnosed is partly true but also quite damaging. Do I think high-functioning aspie types, especially females, deserve a diagnosis? Yes. It’s not them contributing to the over-diagnosis problem.

What I’m starting to see quite often is kids with other complex conditions that affect communication being given a diagnosis of autism. Like kids with Downs Syndrome and autism. Other syndromes resulting in severe learning difficulties also seem to get a primary diagnosis of autism. Are these kids really autistic, or are they just low-functioning, non-verbal, learning-disabled kids who manage to fall under the autism umbrella just like pretty much any severely developmentally delayed kid would?

And then there are the kids who’ve experienced trauma, such as being harmed by birth parents and subsequently fostered/adopted. Are those kids really autistic, or are they damaged (horrible word but you get what I mean) by their shitty start in life?

And then there’s kids with FAS being diagnosed with autism because it upsets the parents less.

I guess none of it really matters if “autism” gets them the support and strategies they need, but I can see why autism feels over-diagnosed when so many extras meet the diagnostic criteria.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Not as much, anymore, thanks to a 'doctrine' called Christian Dominionism. It's something that may have originated with Rushdoony, and is behind the attempts to heavily restrict abortion and to punish the mother. It is a belief system that God had lost earthly dominion to the devil, and 'needs' Christians to 'reclaim' that dominion before Christ can return. It's a big reason why conservative politicians are now pushing for this degree of intrusive government involvement into the personal lives of women, when seemingly they previously liked a small government that somewhat left normal people alone.

My point was that women have incredible freedoms in the US as compared to some actual legitimate theocracies. I’m some ‘modern’ theocracies FGM is so common that it’s a normal procedure to carry out on young girls, which is beyond fucked. The State system is one that if you live in a more restrictive state you can travel to another to get an abortion, which through organizations like planned parenthood make it affordable, since many insurance policies don’t cover abortion regardless. The very ability to be able to do that and not have to worry about leaving your house without a male accomplice all wrapped up in a shawl makes western women more lucky than they could ever know. The US will never be ‘wholly Christian’, there will always be your more liberal states, unless some transcendental miracle happens. The west has its problems, sure, but it could be so, so much worse.

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

My point was that women have incredible freedoms in the US as compared to some actual legitimate theocracies. I’m some ‘modern’ theocracies FGM is so common that it’s a normal procedure to carry out on young girls, which is beyond fucked. The State system is one that if you live in a more restrictive state you can travel to another to get an abortion, which through organizations like planned parenthood make it affordable, since many insurance policies don’t cover abortion regardless. The very ability to be able to do that and not have to worry about leaving your house without a male accomplice all wrapped up in a shawl makes western women more lucky than they could ever know. The US will never be ‘wholly Christian’, there will always be your more liberal states, unless some transcendental miracle happens. The west has its problems, sure, but it could be so, so much worse.

Texas now has a sort of 'bounty' system that allows anyone to sue or punish a woman for acquiring an abortion past 6 weeks, or anyone who aids her, up to $10,000. 6 weeks is actually considered to be from her last menstrual period, in reality leaving her a mete 2 weeks to test for pregnancy, try to quickly arrange time off from work, and hope she finds transportation to get to one of the increasingly scarce abortion centers left in the state, and hope they aren't overbooked, closed, or make her go through a mandatory waiting period.

Edit: 26 states have 'trigger' laws that will severely restrict or ban abortion completely if Roe vs. Wade is overturned. Several states are considering Texas style laws in regard with offering ability to sue resident women who get abortions, even if they travel outside of their home state to get them. Even one state is considering it where she is raped or it was incest, the rapist father's family can sue her. It might be the same state, but they will consider getting treated for ectopic pregnancy as an abortion, potentially making getting treated for it subject to a fine.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

6 weeks is actually considered to be from her last menstrual period, in reality leaving her a mere 2 weeks to test for pregnancy

I think a lot of people don't even realize 6 weeks pregnant=2 weeks from previous period/the day of the first missed period. The most generous window of time that's possible is maybe 3 and a half weeks to get an abortion pill if you are really keeping track of your cycle and ovulation... and that's assuming you have a perfect 28 day cycle.

I have seen retarded anime avatar users on this very website argue that women have a full 6 weeks to decide to keep a pregnancy or not, which is just, lol, you've never seen a vagina in your life have you buddy? Women don't instantly know they are pregnant, birth control can fail, guys can slip condoms off, so on.

Also, this is to say nothing of the fact that many severe congenital defects are simply not visible to doctors until at least 3 to 5 months into the pregnancy.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Texas now has a sort of 'bounty' system that allows anyone to sue or punish a woman for acquiring an abortion past 6 weeks, or anyone who aids her, up to $10,000. 6 weeks is actually considered to be from her last menstrual period, in reality leaving her a mete 2 weeks to test for pregnancy, try to quickly arrange time off from work, and hope she finds transportation to get to one of the increasingly scarce abortion centers left in the state, and hope they aren't overbooked, closed, or make her go through a mandatory waiting period.

Edit: 26 states have 'trigger' laws that will severely restrict or ban abortion completely if Roe vs. Wade is overturned. Several states are considering Texas style laws in regard with offering ability to sue resident women who get abortions, even if they travel outside of their home state to get them. Even one state is considering it where she is raped or it was incest, the rapist father's family can sue her. It might be the same state, but they will consider getting treated for ectopic pregnancy as an abortion, potentially making getting treated for it subject to a fine.

Roe vs. Wade will never be overturned as long as the US remains a Union. Don’t fear monger.

You’re thinking of a proposed bill in Missouri that penalized medical care providers with a fine for providing abortion drugs, not the women seeking said abortion. Abortion in Missouri (including ectopic pregnancy) is legal up to 22 weeks and if there is a risk to the mother. I could propose a bill saying that everyone has to walk around barefoot with shoes on their heads, but it doesn’t mean anything until it passes. If I recall correctly the bill attempting to restrict abortion based on rape and incest was also shot down in Missouri.

Regardless this is not an abortion thread, nor am I talking about abortion specifically, but women’s rights in general.

Edit: This is getting incredibly off topic, so maybe mods might consider moving this to another thread?

 

[The-Mad-Asshatter]

I think a lot of people don't even realize 6 weeks pregnant=2 weeks from previous period/the day of the first missed period. The most generous window of time that's possible is maybe 3 and a half weeks to get an abortion pill if you are really keeping track of your cycle and ovulation... and that's assuming you have a perfect 28 day cycle.

I have seen retarded anime avatar users on this very website argue that women have a full 6 weeks to decide to keep a pregnancy or not, which is just, lol, you've never seen a vagina in your life have you buddy? Women don't instantly know they are pregnant, birth control can fail, guys can slip condoms off, so on.

Also, this is to say nothing of the fact that many severe congenital defects are simply not visible to doctors until at least 3 to 5 months into the pregnancy.

I foresee a return to the horrors and deaths of back alley abortions, a lot of women and girls will die before these people pull their head out of their asses and realize these laws don't prevent abortions, they just drive them underground.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I was with you on points 1 and 2, but poor maternal diet just doesn’t stack up as a factor to me.

I think the concept of autism being over-diagnosed is partly true but also quite damaging. Do I think high-functioning aspie types, especially females, deserve a diagnosis? Yes. It’s not them contributing to the over-diagnosis problem.

What I’m starting to see quite often is kids with other complex conditions that affect communication being given a diagnosis of autism. Like kids with Downs Syndrome and autism. Other syndromes resulting in severe learning difficulties also seem to get a primary diagnosis of autism. Are these kids really autistic, or are they just low-functioning, non-verbal, learning-disabled kids who manage to fall under the autism umbrella just like pretty much any severely developmentally delayed kid would?

And then there are the kids who’ve experienced trauma, such as being harmed by birth parents and subsequently fostered/adopted. Are those kids really autistic, or are they damaged (horrible word but you get what I mean) by their shitty start in life?

And then there’s kids with FAS being diagnosed with autism because it upsets the parents less.

I guess none of it really matters if “autism” gets them the support and strategies they need, but I can see why autism feels over-diagnosed when so many extras meet the diagnostic criteria.

It’s been discussed on this thread before that children with random severe genetic disorders are getting labeled as ‘autistic’. The person who said this mentioned them having distinctive facial features.
If anything has changed, it’s the huge increase in preterm babies surviving, as well as a huge increase in preterm birth overall. Even being born slightly early can lead to long term complications.

 

[booklover]

It’s been discussed on this thread before that children with random severe genetic disorders are getting labeled as ‘autistic’. The person who said this mentioned them having distinctive facial features.
If anything has changed, it’s the huge increase in preterm babies surviving, as well as a huge increase in preterm birth overall. Even being born slightly early can lead to long term complications.

It's not uncommon for people with genetic anomalies to be born prematurely, either. That's definitely true for people with Down syndrome, and also Noonan syndrome, which is an autosomal recessive disorder that causes varying levels of disability, and is believed to have an incidence of about 1 in 2000, although it's often mistaken for other issues. (I have a FBF whose son has it; in his case, his degree of mental disability is unknown - he has two parents with very high intelligence, and his IQ is average - but it has physically affected pretty much every organ system in his body, and that's why he is disabled.)

Plus, the incidence of "mental retardation" has declined at the same rate as the "increase" in "autism." I do realize that many of the diagnoses include some degree of overlap.