General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[kadmckool]

Maybe, but one person doesn't make a branch. No one talks about Tsunderia being a big player just because Miori went viral, or Shiki for PRISM.

A bilingual MIGHT be able to hold a western viewerbase for himself, but he won't be able to trickle that to 12 other people, and a StarsEN is going to undercut all their work regardless. Holostars had a few months last year where they comparatively blew up. That's gone now.

The members and the higher-ups have two years' worth of neglect and stagnation they need to fix, and saying 'Here is Gen 4, but it's not QUITE Gen 4, it's actually something different. Oh, and we don't have social medias or a release date to promote yet, but it'll be the day after HoloID debut with their own song!' is evidently not the way to go about it. A retard like me saw this coming the day they were announced.

It's not a managerial thing. How could Shinove and INNK possibly keep up with post-2020 Hololive? No amount of Marketing Theory or pie charts can really predict or account for any of that.

But when the three are very explicitly regarded as three separate productions, it is only natural that the budget is divided relative to the size of the department. Hololive is huge by comparison, so they get the lion's share of the budget spent on new members, expensive riggers and artists, advertisements, collaborations etc. Which, in turn, widens the gap between them and the others even further.

INNK will effectively merge with Hololive next month with the induction of AZKi, but you can't do that with the boys. HolostarsJP can only sit and wait for the inevitable moment that StarsEN completely cucks them in every conceivable department, and pray that some of their fans might give them a kiss on the cheek on their way out the hotel room.

Looks like Uproar is Yagoo last ditch attempt to make JP male Vtuber to gain ground but he forget that speaking moonrunes is already a major handicap. Unless Hololive middle managers did not take cue from the current world event and release StarsEN immediately when the world largest fujos market undergone covid lockdown they won’t get bread crumbs out of their Stars. Ironically, China might hates Holo but their female Fujos can just VPN, not to mention how their social credit system treat female better than male and the “only child” generation females is still single and filthy rich with a lot of money to throw around.

 

[moments fade pain remains]

I don't think Uyu or Rio are women. But, don't fret. The Japanese will link the UPROAR with their roommates soon enough, if they haven't already. Has anyone looked?

 

[Gavlet Gablae]

Nerf Yugo.

I really enjoy what of Yugo I've been able to catch between other things. Really heartfelt, eager person. They also somehow sound like one of my favorite female seiyuu (Miyuki Sawashiro) but able to speak clear English.

 

[TrashBoost]

Maybe, but one person doesn't make a branch. No one talks about Tsunderia being a big player just because Miori went viral, or Shiki for PRISM.

A bilingual MIGHT be able to hold a western viewerbase for himself, but he won't be able to trickle that to 12 other people, and a StarsEN is going to undercut all their work regardless. Holostars had a few months last year where they comparatively blew up. That's gone now.

The members and the higher-ups have two years' worth of neglect and stagnation they need to fix, and saying 'Here is Gen 4, but it's not QUITE Gen 4, it's actually something different. Oh, and we don't have social medias or a release date to promote yet, but it'll be the day after HoloID debut with their own song!' is evidently not the way to go about it. A retard like me saw this coming the day they were announced.

How does StarsEN undercut all their work? Did Myth undercut all of JP by zooming past literally everyone. Gura did what JP couldn't in 40 days. The western audience is just that powerful. Ollie gets constant hate from Indonesia fans because she is too western and it's for that same reason she reached 1 mil before anyone else and by a considerable margin in her Gen. They've had multiple gens to figure out what works for stars and again they fumbled the bag. They fumbled extra hard for reasons you already mentioned but my guess is they were trying to piggyback off IN. If management doesn't make any serious attempts for StarsJP to dip into that holo western audience you can't blame StarsEN when they do.

 

[Anchors-Away]

Nerf Yugo.

I don't like Yugo, but genuinely think they'd have had a better reception if they debut as a female avatar considering the misc talent on display away from streaming. Especially when the newest EN wave was promoted as an English speaking male unit, they (Yugo) got handed a raw deal the second they debut before the Asian fans.

 

[DelusionTree]

And who in their right mind would fund $11m to this mess?

Athos Capital is a private real estate firm that operates in NY and FL, and the majority of VC for vshojo.
GFR Funds is a Bay area venture capital firm managed by GREE VR Capital, the American affiliate of Japanese company GREE inc, focuses on digital entertainment, social media, advertising, video games and VC. Big funder of VR Chat.
Green Bay Ventures is another Bay area based venture capital firm that has funded Spotify, Dropbox, Lyft and a ton of other companies.

This is big money entering the western chuuba space.

 

[PassiveUnaggressive]

Nerf Yugo.

Did they really play Getting over it at 23 Hz? oof

Singing is good, but not my genre of choice.

 

[Scuttle]

No, I think a bilingual is exactly what HoloStars needed and not getting one was a miss. If you don't speak JP and want to support Stars, who are you going to start with or gravitate to if you can't understand any of them? Clippers and chat translators can only do so much and people generally want someone they can listen to in the background anyway. This is pretty much what Coco did for HoloJP, and if you look at the sub chart, Holo hit its peak growth period right after the Gen 4 debut.

If Stars really want an EN audience they just need someone who can speak EN and JP fluently, decently entertaining enough to attract a Western audience (hell, even just the Holo EOP audience), and is willing to do tons of collabs with the others. I don't think we can keep blaming lack of exposure and neglect from management as a reason for why they haven't blown up since the main branch didn't blow up because of events and concerts anyway. I highly doubt a spot at HoloFes would've done much for their numbers other than a temporary bump.

Their core demographic are Japanese people because they're a Japanese branch. Unless you want to go the route of suggesting that Cover are relying on their EN audience to buoy THREE of their four branches, a bilingual member should not be their master plan to grow HolostarsJP.

A bilingual would be nice, but in practice they rarely function as live translators or attention pylons. Along with that, people have to actually care about the people they're live translating already to pay attention. They're not very practical as a hard carry.

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How does StarsEN undercut all their work? Did Myth undercut all of JP by zooming past literally everyone.

I respect your point, but StarsEN will not exist by virtue of anything StarsJP have done. They will exist by virtue of people wanting western male V-Tubers but either being brand loyal to Hololive or simply not being aware alternatives exist. NijiEN will be a bigger factor in the existence of StarsEN than their own senpai.

StarsJP have absolutely nothing in the way of eyes or momentum to pass down onto them. They get 3K subs a month and like 1 concert in 3 years. EN can't even say 'We are only here because of the hard work of our senpais' because it's just not true. So yes, it does undercut their hard work, because they cannot claim this as their win. They literally have to sit and hope that StarsEN is successful enough to help them out too.

 

[kadmckool]

Their core demographic are Japanese people because they're a Japanese branch. Unless you want to go the route of suggesting that Cover are relying on their EN audience to buoy THREE of their four branches, a bilingual member should not be their master plan to grow HolostarsJP.

A bilingual would be nice, but in practice they rarely function as live translators or attention pylons. Along with that, people have to actually care about the people they're live translating already to pay attention. They're not very practical as a hard carry.

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I respect your point, but StarsEN will not exist by virtue of anything StarsJP have done. They will exist by virtue of people wanting western male V-Tubers but either being brand loyal to Hololive or simply not being aware alternatives exist. NijiEN will be a bigger factor in the existence of StarsEN than their own senpai.

StarsJP have absolutely nothing in the way of eyes or momentum to pass down onto them. They get 3K subs a month and like 1 concert in 3 years. EN can't even say 'We are only here because of the hard work of our senpais' because it's just not true. So yes, it does undercut their hard work, because they cannot claim this as their win. They literally have to sit and hope that StarsEN is successful enough to help them.

There’s quite a lot of Japanese American live in Hawaii (IRyS being one and she’s bilingual) so getting them for StarsEN will hopefully torpedoes StarsJP. Wishful thinking but I think if Yagoo somehow can get Ryan Higa gangs to pioneer his pet project Holostars that would be epic. Seeing Ryan Higa content get stale lately so I can see him might seriously think about starting Vchuuba.

 

[kukkia]

EN can't even say 'We are only here because of the hard work of our senpais' because it's just not true. So yes, it does undercut their hard work, because they cannot claim this as their win. They literally have to sit and hope that StarsEN is successful enough to help them out too.

They'll say it because it's a platitude and it costs nothing to say. Nijisanji EN (in its current form, not rebranded IN) probably wouldn't exist without Hololive EN but that doesn't stop NijiENs from praising their JP, ID, and KR senpai, even ones who very little international presence, and saying that they wouldn't be there if it weren't for all of their senpai. The vast majority of vtuber fans like it when vtubers are nice to other vtubers, especially ones from their own agency, and aren't gonna rake them over the coals for saying a semi-true nicety.

How they all feel behind the scenes is another thing. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some jealousy on the part of Niji ID and KR when they see EN having a lot more support from the get-go and being much more successful. Maybe Holostars JP members will feel the same if Holostars EN becomes really big. But this is all speculation.

 

[Bingeamint]

- Come back from work all day to 10+ pages since this morning I checked
- "Ooo,*rubs hands* something juicy must have gone down today, cant wait to read what dramas we have had today"
- Find out it's mostly just dumb infighting and bait posts to each other.

Ahh, this place never changes now... We really could use something "big" happening sometime soon so we all have something useful to sperg about

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Meanwhile not Iofi reveals marriage/hag status and not Moona discussed her ex schizo boyfriend. HoloID cucks the other branches again.

 

[Cubanodun]

Local Colombian ghost leaved her playstation on for 10 hours just to wait for the memory card to arrive so she could save her silent hill game

 

[Scuttle]

Local Colombian ghost leaved her playstation on for 10 hours just to wait for the memory card to arrive so she could save her silent hill game

She makes me feel old as fuck even though I'm pretty sure she and I are roughly the same age.

Excusing how she didn't know what a memory card was, and then buying a PS2 memory card when she needed a PS1 card, as her being a 'zoomer' almost triggered my fight or flight response.

 

[moments fade pain remains]

EN can't even say 'We are only here because of the hard work of our senpais' because it's just not true. So yes, it does undercut their hard work, because they cannot claim this as their win. They literally have to sit and hope that StarsEN is successful enough to help them out too.

Is it though? If the Boys gave up, or if they didn't work hard enough for COVER to keep them and they were released, there would indeed be no HoloStarsEN, which still doesn't exist by the way until a debut announcement drops. Theoritical discussions are nice, but nothing has happened yet. As I have learned from watching HoloStars, we shall wait and see.

 

[kadmckool]

Meanwhile not Iofi reveals marriage/hag status and not Moona discussed her ex schizo boyfriend. HoloID cucks the other branches again.

Really? Iofi fake her age and enroll in college after high school in 2018 according to her inner circle friends (unless they lied or Iofi is really bad at school). She’s a massive fujo for JP voice actors like Sugibro, Nakamura, Kaji Yuji etc.

 

[danny jr]

There’s quite a lot of Japanese American live in Hawaii (IRyS being one and she’s bilingual) so getting them for StarsEN will hopefully torpedoes StarsJP. Wishful thinking but I think if Yagoo somehow can get Ryan Higa gangs to pioneer his pet project Holostars that would be epic. Seeing Ryan Higa content get stale lately so I can see him might seriously think about starting Vchuuba.

Ryan Higa would get cancelled on Twitter day 1 when someone finds out his username was nigga higga.

 

[Rratcatcher]

Ryan Higa would get cancelled on Twitter day 1 when someone finds out his username was nigga higga.

All the more reason to do it.

 

[augment]

Local Colombian ghost leaved her playstation on for 10 hours just to wait for the memory card to arrive so she could save her silent hill game

Back in the day this happened to a friend, he was in the middle of final fantasy VII and had not saved before fighting jenova.

 

[Beeg Snake]

How long you's think this will last before they give up? Would have thought Tik Tok would have been the better option for the zoomers.