Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[JosephStalin]

This is big mad the thread. For everyone involved pretty much.

Not mad at all.

 

[Jump]

I've explained it before but gonna do it again. Thr cherbobyl event generated significant localized Fallout in the immediate vicinity of the plant. This Fallout was not normal either. It was literally the ash of an open, burning nuclear reactor. That ash will emit lethal radiation for the next 300 years, minimum. Thankfully for humanity, it's not hard Gamma radiation that can go through everything but the much more easy to manage beta wave type radiation.

Beta Waves can be blocked by any sort of barrier. Clothing, cloth mask, or dirt. It was the latter that the liquidators used to neutralize the Fallout. Literally flipping over hundreds of square kilometers in order to bury the Fallout. The closer you are to the plant however the greater concentration and in the case of the Red Forest, which was immediately down wind of Reactor 4, it was not possible to go in and bury the Fallout which means it's still active at the surface level, though by now buried under a thin layer of natural accumulation.

If those soldiers went into that area, with no protection and started digging? Then they literally inhaled the remains of a burning nuclear reactor into their lungs. They are going to die at best. At worst, they won't die.

Ya no.
It's not 1986 anymore. Even in the Red Forest levels are no longer hot enough to cause instant sickness. The area around it is a tourist destination.

The danger from fallout falls off quickly. Hours and weeks. Its been 36 years

Even if we say its 10x the amount it is today. 100msv/hr isnt going to make you sick that quickly.

And the Red Forest isn't "red" anymore. There is some weird stuff going on with microbes and super slow decomposition of plants in the hotest area but its not like fucking around in there for a few weeks will give you a dose enough to make you drop dead. But its enough to increase your risk of cancer over time if you hang out there long enough.


The tweet is just bullshit made up by the hohol's to demoralize the Russians. Propaganda.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

Fuk u bitch

I'm going back to the Animal Crossing thread.

 

[Richardface]

Good question. The concepts I described are pretty basic. Yes, diploma from Air Command and Staff College. Yes, served on a USAF major command staff. Yes, senior operational staff officer at an alphabet agency. If someone is angry about that, that's their issue. Just using background, training and experience to provide some insight.

Would your analysis be different if you put your assumption that the sole Russian goal was the capture of Kiev and Zelenskyyyyy to one side and looked at it on the basis that that was a nice to have/worth a punt goal and the Russian strategy had the destruction of the Ukrainian donbas army in the field as an enabler to greater goals as its primary/simultaneous objective?

 

[MrJokerRager]

Here are the latest videos from Tucker discussing the war.

Some comedy skits about hohol shilling and virtue signaling on western social media.

And the Ruskies really are playing up the Z.

 

[A Logging Company]

Considering how far the Nork's pushed into what is now South Korea before being pushed back to the UN mandated dividing line?

Weird to think if we had not stepped in, there would be no Kpop groups now. Okay maybe we were wrong in our American Pig-dog Imperial Aggression after all.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Weird to think if we had not stepped in, there would be no Kpop groups now. Okay maybe we were wrong in our American Pig-dog Imperial Aggression after all.

There was only one mistake to the war against Best Korea.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Weird to think if we had not stepped in, there would be no Kpop groups now. Okay maybe we were wrong in our American Pig-dog Imperial Aggression after all.

Counterpoint...we could have ended up with something even more vile.

 

[JosephStalin]

Would your analysis be different if you put your assumption that the sole Russian goal was the capture of Kiev and Zelenskyyyyy to one side and looked at it on the basis that that was a nice to have/worth a punt goal and the Russian strategy had the destruction of the Ukrainian donbas army in the field as an enabler to greater goals as its primary/simultaneous objective?

In view of what Putin has said about Zelensky and the thrust toward Kyiv must believe it was the primary objective, with the other thrusts intended to tie up the Ukrainians defending major cities and the Donbas, unable to send forces to assist Kyiv. In the absence of such rhetoric, then other strategies would be understandable.

 

[A Logging Company]

Counterpoint...we could have ended up with something even more vile.

Dorky white American girls getting tingles to Junche propagandist Boy Bands?

 

[JosephStalin]

Weird to think if we had not stepped in, there would be no Kpop groups now. Okay maybe we were wrong in our American Pig-dog Imperial Aggression after all.

Shit, if we'd used some brains we would have told my namesake to stay out of Korea, period. Some "smart young officers" at the Pentagon divided the country at the 38th parallel because we didn't think we could occupy the entire peninsula quickly. My namesake agreed. We should have just landed in the northern part of Korea and motored up to the Yalu. Stalin wouldn't have done anything. Sure would have saved a lot.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I found a /pol/ thread today discussing the Wagner Nazis.

Apparently they operate around the world like Blackwater does.

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/370209631

Though it will be interesting if Wagner or the Chechens were more effective in cleaning up Azov.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Shit, if we'd used some brains we would have told my namesake to stay out of Korea, period. Some "smart young officers" at the Pentagon divided the country at the 38th parallel because we didn't think we could occupy the entire peninsula quickly. My namesake agreed. We should have just landed in the northern part of Korea and motored up to the Yalu. Stalin wouldn't have done anything. Sure would have saved a lot.

That might have had some very interesting effects on the Chinese Civil War as well, possibly even the whole cold war.

 

[Bob jensen]

Ooohhh love me some JP!

 

[XYZpdq]

Ooohhh love me some JP!

Welcome! to Soviet Park!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I've explained it before but gonna do it again. The cherbobyl event generated significant localized Fallout in the immediate vicinity of the plant. This Fallout was not normal either. It was literally the ash of an open, burning nuclear reactor. That ash will emit lethal radiation for the next 300 years, minimum. Thankfully for humanity, it's not hard Gamma radiation that can go through everything but the much more easy to manage beta wave type radiation which is easily blocked and has an ionizing range of around 1 meter.

Beta Waves can be blocked by any sort of barrier. Clothing, cloth mask, or dirt. It was the latter that the liquidators used to neutralize the Fallout. Literally flipping over hundreds of square kilometers in order to bury the Fallout. The closer you are to the plant however the greater concentration and in the case of the Red Forest, which was immediately down wind of Reactor 4, it was not possible to go in and bury the Fallout which means it's still active at the surface level, though by now buried under a thin layer of natural accumulation.

If those soldiers went into that area, with no protection and started digging? Then they literally inhaled the remains of a burning nuclear reactor into their lungs. They are going to die at best. At worst, they won't die.

You believe everything you read on the internet, especially if it validates your position, don't you?

Good question. The concepts I described are pretty basic. Yes, diploma from Air Command and Staff College. Yes, served on a USAF major command staff. Yes, senior operational staff officer at an alphabet agency. If someone is angry about that, that's their issue. Just using background, training and experience to provide some insight.

I'm going to point out that after the breakup and we were able to see/talk to the other side about what happened (e.g., the various sub accidents, collisions, the Glomar Explorer sub raising, etc) during some tense exchanges and insofar as their nuclear capabilities and doctrine were concerned, we were wrong on so many important points.

Your points on logistics are great, it's often overlooked, but now that they have Mariupol and secured it, the land bridge will solve a lot of those problems.

 

[RussianBlonde]

Slavic nutrition stunts growth at 5'6" universally.

Only for males

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

You believe everything you read on the internet, especially if it validates your position, don't you?

I'm going to point out that after the breakup and we were able to see/talk to the other side about what happened (e.g., the various sub accidents, collisions, the Glomar Explorer sub raising, etc) during some tense exchanges and insofar as their nuclear capabilities and doctrine were concerned, we were wrong on so many important points.

Your points on logistics are great, it's often overlooked, but now that they have Mariupol and secured it, the land bridge will solve a lot of those problems.

The glomar explorer is truly one of the best cold war stories and its a shame no movie has been made about it.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The black markets are already flooded with surplus from this war, and once it ends will be even more saturated. Shitty part is, our cucked country won't import it, because of "muh gun violence."

Serious question, since I love to shitpost but have to ask because a lot of your posts seem like cope: Why apply western logic to Russian problems? And why would you think Russia would lose - when they haven't deployed more than a tenth of their available soldiers to the conflict? To me it seems like they are sending a lot of second rate soldiers into a second rate problem. They don't give a shit if it's a meat grinder, that is how they fight wars. They have a ton of generals, and a ton of conscripts. Eventually they will win. It's that simple.

Last ditch if he gets tired of this expedition is to split the country in two. East becomes a Russian satellite, West becomes a western satellite: Soft Berlin wall 2.0.

He'd probably do the same if he won the whole country, more or less. Ukraine is just a buffer\speedbump for the Russians, to keep the westerners out. They don't call it the bloodlands for nothing.

Ain't that the truth. But it is entertaining.

A tenth of their soldiers doesn't sound like much until you realize Russia has a LOT of ground to defend in general. He who defends everywhere defends nowhere. That being said, you do have a point that the Ukraine war will probably end up like the Georgian war. That country still exists because the Russian army still has the same goddamn problems back then.

 

[Big Nasty]

In view of what Putin has said about Zelensky and the thrust toward Kyiv must believe it was the primary objective, with the other thrusts intended to tie up the Ukrainians defending major cities and the Donbas, unable to send forces to assist Kyiv. In the absence of such rhetoric, then other strategies would be understandable.

What about the Black Sea coast then? That's where they have seized the most territory.