Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Hell on Earth]

Both sides should just come to an agreement at this point, Russia isn't going to capture Odessa or Kharkiv and definitely not Kiev, Ukraine isn't going to save or recapture Mariupol. Russia came in expecting a curb stomp (they sent fucking riot police into fucking Kiev at the start of this thing) and definitely didn't expect a war that is going to be dragged on for months, nobody did. Ukraine should get out while the getting is good, a month ago I said they should sign a peace treaty while they have all leverage of all the major cities besides Kherson being in their control, and somehow technically that's still true even if Mariupol will almost certainly fall within the next 7 days.

There is no agreement unless the U.S. says there is an agreement to be made.

My opinion is that they really wanted the sanctions and the war in Ukraine to bleed Russia white and maybe they are hoping that this war will topple Putin's regime and all the rethoric going around about regime change point to that direction.

So it's a situation in which the west has declared an indirect war to Russia.

 

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Found another vid from Mariupol with subs added. Vid is like 2-3 days old, I think?

Spoiler: NSFW - Pile of dead bodies

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

the reasoning is solid on paper

the major question about it is how russia would react to ukraine making gains on the ground.
if russia makes the decision to cut its losses and pull its armies back, then boris strategy is solid and makes sense.
but if russia instead doubles down, starts drafting millions of men and kicks its economy into total war mode in order to send massive reinforcements into ukraine, then boris strategy would have backfired hard.

Russia will double down, how could they do anything else?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Christ. Are you even reading what I am saying? The radiation in the red forest is harmless at one meter, and can be blocked by simple protection such as a cloth mask and full body clothing, followed by rigorous decontamination cleaning after being in the area. Do that and you are fine.

That video you posted. The ladies Geiger counter went from beeping hard to absolutely screaming when she lowered it from her chest to the forest floor. The radiation it was detecting was coming from beneath almost 30 years worth of plant build up. Imagine if instead of just holding the Geiger counter at the surface, she decided to dig down another 6 feet and breath in the dust as she went.


Hey now don't assume my gender!

yikes Scary sounds!
But if you read what it said you would see it was MICRO sieverts/hr. She had to find a chunk of fuel to get to 18 mili siervets.

This aside, good lord nigger. She was playing around with the shit like an autist with a model train. At the very least, she wasn't that concerned.

 

[JosephStalin]

I honestly hope so. Nobody deserves to die that way.

Honestly it would be a tragedy worthy of Russian literature if Cherbobyl claims the lives of more boys born long after the events that made it a monster.

My hematologist/oncologist is originally from Russia. She treated casualties from Chernobyl.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Even though I call bullshit on the ARS, I buy at least a few men were exceptional enough to dig a trench or foxhole, in that case those men are definitely going to die of cancer within the next 30 years.

I doubt it'd be a matter of a few men being exceptional enough to dig a trench. My guess would be that the gritty details of the long term radiation threats around Chernobyl aren't something covered in school even in Russia. That's simply more detail than most history classes get into. More appropriate for someone writing a term paper than for something taught in a standard class which usually only has time for a broad overview. So most of the soldiers and officers would have only a layman's knowledge of the dangers. They'd need a decent briefing on the threats ahead of time to know what to do and not to do in the area, and briefings for this whole invasion don't seem to have been great and I'd be skeptical they were provided with dosimeters. So I could very much see once they'd secured the plant that some officer - who didn't understand the difference between "safe to walk around in with a dosimeter to avoid hot spots" and "safe to dig fortifications into" - would order the troops to fortify their position against counter attack. Leaving the poor bastards stuck digging in, raising and inhaling a lot of radioactive dust in the process.

That said, I'd be skeptical of claims of acute radiation poisoning without doing a lot of extra research that I don't care to spend the time to do. Assuming such risky exposure as digging around happened, it'd make sense to fuck off and have the troops examined at a hospital to determine what kind of exposure they'd received regardless of whether anyone was showing signs of illness. Beyond that, I'd point out that Russia is theoretically in the process of withdrawing troops from the northern areas to shift them around to where they'll be more useful. Troops stuck sitting around at Chernobyl getting slowly irradiated is about as useless a task you can get. So it'd make sense for Russia to just pull them all out, leave the radioactive ruins to the people who were managing them anyways, and redeploy the troops elsewhere.

So we'll see. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if reports are exaggerated. Nor would I be surprised to learn that some poor bastards are going to have a very bad time in the near future.

 

[Marley Rathbone]

The way I see it, more scaremongering about radiation poisoning means less chance of building nuclear power stations, and more chance that the western economies will collapse, all the bug people will starve in their pods, and globohomo will descend into the dustbin of history, and the English language will use proper gender pronouns for the next ten thousand years.

 

[mindlessobserver]

There is no agreement unless the U.S. says there is an agreement to be made.

My opinion is that they really wanted the sanctions and the war in Ukraine to bleed Russia white and maybe they are hoping that this war will topple Putin's regime and all the rethoric going around about regime change point to that direction.

So it's a situation in which the west has declared an indirect war to Russia.

The US expected Ukraine to fold like a wet noodle and offered to evacuate the Kiev government on the first day. Prior to the war breaking out the Biden administration informed the US congress that its Ukraine policy had failed and there was nothing they could do to salvage the situation.

Oddly enough, the UK and France didn't subscribe to this narrative. If you want to get really conspiracy minded, that is where the real glow ops are. The UK has been BIG mad at Putin since the Polonium incidents, and the fact that they ran bomber drills off Scotland. The French were also really exercised over the pressure Russia has been putting on the EU, and unlike the imbecile Germans, France has a robust nuclear energy program that Macron has expanded. France has no need for Russian Gas, as virtually all heating and cooking in France is done via nuclear fire.

The end result has been the unholy anglo-frankish alliance has once again emerged. And this time the USA is led by a feckless and senile imbecile. France and Britain have free range to settle many old scores and establish a new paradigm in Europe. For the Brits, they want Putin to pay for past slights, and for the French they want the Germans to know Europe's destiny will be decided in Paris and not Berlin.

This war is excellent for both causes. The USA is just along for the ride.

 

[Stoneheart]

Reminder this has been brewing since 2014

that guy is scary.

 

[Duke Nukem]

No, that was general import ban on certain semi autos. Reagan was the closing of the machine gun registry. Clinton and yeltsin made an agreement about certain Russian guns not be allowed for import, in an effort to stop the flow of weapons being stolen from the Russian military depots, but they still sold newly manufactured guns and ammo until relatively recently over here. The 2014 war was when the guns started being sanctioned so they couldn't come into the US. Which sucks for both Russians and Americans, there was good money in that.

At the rate things are going we'll have nothing but shitty AR-15 clones to choose from. And now Russian firearms are going to be ruined by idiots driving up the price to retarded levels. Just as happened to German World War II stuff.

And for all the interest in certain types of firearms that aren't imported anymore you would think someone would make a halfway decent Tokarev SVT or SVD clone. Not that they'd get a mainstream following but the interest is there.

Honestly I can't be bothered to give a shit what happens to the US firearm scene anymore. The "good old days" are over, and nothing cool or interesting will ever be available to future generations.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

that guy is scary.

ssh he is with the Lord now, he can't invade you (again).

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

At the rate things are going we'll have nothing but shitty AR-15 clones to choose from. And now Russian firearms are going to be ruined by idiots driving up the price to retarded levels. Just as happened to German World War II stuff.

And for all the interest in certain types of firearms that aren't imported anymore you would think someone would make a halfway decent Tokarev SVT or SVD clone. Not that they'd get a mainstream following but the interest is there.

Honestly I can't be bothered to give a shit what happens to the US firearm scene anymore. The "good old days" are over, and nothing cool or interesting will ever be available to future generations.

The problem is that making those clones would be ridiculously expensive for what they are, they would end up costing a few grand most likely. The only reason they were cheap in the first place is because they had be paid for decades ago and profit wasn't a concern, Russia just needed cold hard cash. At least we can get clones of all the soviet semi auto handguns.

 

[Slap47]

The way I see it, more scaremongering about radiation poisoning means less chance of building nuclear power stations, and more chance that the western economies will collapse, all the bug people will starve in their pods, and globohomo will descend into the dustbin of history, and the English language will use proper gender pronouns for the next ten thousand years.

Ironically, the scaremongering about nuclear makes Russia stronger as Nuclear is the only viable replacement for fossil fuels..

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Video from Nova Basan, a village around 40 Kilometers East of Brovary (in itself an eastern Kiev suburb), greeting Ukraine forces after being under Russian occupation for weeks.

 

[Duke Nukem]

The problem is that making those clones would be ridiculously expensive for what they are, they would end up costing a few grand most likely. The only reason they were cheap in the first place is because they had be paid for decades ago and profit wasn't a concern, Russia just needed cold hard cash. At least we can get clones of all the soviet semi auto handguns.

At least we got Serbia to make Tokarev TT-33 copies but I dunno. At least Eastern Europe still makes AK stuff so as long as the political situation doesn't get worse there we'll at least be able to feed those.

It's probably the beginning of the end for anything firearm related east of Berlin.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

At least we got Serbia to make Tokarev TT-33 copies but I dunno. At least Eastern Europe still makes AK stuff so as long as the political situation doesn't get worse there we'll at least be able to feed those.

It's probably the beginning of the end for anything firearm related east of Berlin.

The Czechs are in nato and have a pretty robust firearms industry, so we at least have that. Same with Bulgaria. But the good old days of pulling mosins and other fun stuff by the crateload from depots is long gone sadly. Maybe we'll get lucky and there's one that's been missed.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

This man is a world treasure
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Update: Vince McMahon confirmed for gay. Sad! Gay!
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Reminds me of when a Tranny Italian MP said to Alessandra Mussolini (Benito Mussolini's granddaughter) that she was a fascist, and Alessandra replied, Meglio fascista che frocio - "It is better to be a fascist than a faggot"

https://www.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-italy-transgender-bathroom-idUKL2784658420061027

 

[MG-34]

The Czechs are in nato and have a pretty robust firearms industry, so we at least have that. Same with Bulgaria. But the good old days of pulling mosins and other fun stuff by the crateload from depots is long gone sadly. Maybe we'll get lucky and there's one that's been missed.

Don't forget Croatia and this awesome helgast rifle

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

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The sole redeeming quality of having Balkan states in nato is their firearms industry.

 

[Narcotics]

As a huge nerd to everything space related, what the hell does nasa and other russian space agencies have to do with this shit show? This just seems beyond unnecessary for me. All they want to do is launch rockets and stare at stars man,