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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Why? Russia has done everything it can to bury awareness of that event among their own people due to what a fuckup it was at every single level. Its an absolutely massive embarrassment and proof the USSR was utterly unsustainable, and so the Russian people can't be allowed to know anything beyond the basic details that something bad happened there.
I suppose this is the Russian equivalent of Japanese history books burying uncomfortable facts like comfort women and Unit 731. But it looks like once again, Russia's carelessness comes back to bite them in the ass.
 
I suppose this is the Russian equivalent of Japanese history books burying uncomfortable facts like comfort women and Unit 731. But it looks like once again, Russia's carelessness comes back to bite them in the ass.
Pretty much. God knows how many people are going to wind up sick just from initial exposure, how much valuable equipment is going to need to be scrubbed clean or just abandoned due to being too dirty, and how many people are going to wind up sick or worse since of course the Russians are going to lie to the clean-up crews and have them use improper or no safety measures or equipment because that would require admitting they fucked up in the first place by not telling their people about how dangerous Chernobyl was.
 
Fires in Russian ammo depots are all too common, not a year passes I didn't hear about one in the news

Regarding looting, Ukrainians caught this VDV nigger:
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"Elite" my ass, all the same vodka-drinking, fountain-swimming, student-beating gopnik faggots.
If I were a Russian at this point, I'd find the nearest Ukrainian bank and rob any gold or jewels from the vault and fuck off somewhere else.
 
More competent then Putin who has god knows how many high ranking people in house arrest some for selling military assets like oil on black market, half of his oligarch friends skipping to Israel, way more generals KIA and took a month to barely gain control over a few relatively small cities of a country that up until a month ago everyone, myself included though Russia would completely streamroll in a week.
I instantly knew the war was lost the moment they stopped short of Kiev. I & @JosephStalin called it out as such when it happened.
 
What would Ukraine gain by sending two of their attack helicopters to almost certain suicide-mission? It's just too unbelievable that Russian air-defenses would be this bad.

Historical comparison would be the Doolittle Raid. Doesn't matter if its a tiny, tiny little pinprick, its right at the heart of the Russian War Machine. Wasting an oil depot like that (After the Russians themselves blew up one in Ukraine) means more tanks and vehicles coughing and spluttering as they run dry.

Its just a logical, extreme, extension of how the Ukies have run the war so far, which is hammer Russian logistics wherever, and whenever they can.


I really can't believe how much we overestimated the intelligence of the Russian army. They really did just scrape random gopniks off the street and pack them into the army, did they? Or brought in some random bum who was sleeping on the sidewalk because he was piss-ass drunk from downing another bottle of vodka.......

You'd think Chernobyl as an event and a location would be something that these people would remember. Kind of like how 9/11 would be for Americans, especially New Yorkers. But no, they really were just that stupid. Digging in the radioactive soil, using radioactive trees for fire, I can't see how the Russiaboos can spin this. This is incompetence on a massive scale. They make Saddam's army look well-organized by comparison, and that army was easily crushed by the West.
The russian military has always been made of gopniks scraped off the streets. The difference is they also had fairly intelligent generals that at least knew how to weild the hammer of the human wave effectively.

The difference now is, Russia has about 20% of the people in the military it used to and it still trying to human wave everything. Where sheer numbers, used to hand them victory.

Learning nothing from Checnya where it should've prompted widespread reforms towards a professional, all volunteer force, never happened.

Meanwhile, Ukraine after 2014 and being unable to retake Crimea and being shown ineffective against Donbass etc have now basically copy and pasted what everyone in the Baltics and former East Euro states have done, which is large scale reform to a volunteer force with heavily reformed logistics as a force multiplier.
 
Learning nothing from Checnya where it should've prompted widespread reforms towards a professional, all volunteer force, never happened.
Russia tried. And then the corrupt generals all banded together to have him thrown out where he was replaced with Shoigu who could be trusted to look the other way at all the corrupt dealings... for the right price, of course.
 
Good luck with that. Chances are good their military is in even worse state than Russia's. They've been doing pretty fucking badly in the Himalayas against a bunch of people who can't even poop in toilets. I mean, I'm pretty sure the Russian soldiers are at least vaccinated. Meanwhile there was a scandal a little while back about how the person selling needles to the Chinese military was caught substituting the nickel with cheaper stuff, making them too brittle to be safely used. Plus their MREs are the only ones that YouTuber can't manage to choke down.

Oh, and they need to completely throw out half their AFV's, if not more, since the post-Deng food surpluses from foreign trade have made the average Chinese person too big to fit their older equipment.
Eh, my general impression is that China actually "won" that engagement against India (insofar as they didn't shit the bed as much as the poos) based on the propaganda both sides put out. China was content to just put out some generic "our grorious army kick stinky poo-poo behind" while India went way overboard where it was clear they were hiding some really embarrassing shit. But I'm pretty certain even Russia could win a fight with India without trying too hard and, well...China needs to aim WAY higher.

Bwahahaha, holy shit really?
 
You'd think Chernobyl as an event and a location would be something that these people would remember. Kind of like how 9/11 would be for Americans, especially New Yorkers. But no, they really were just that stupid. Digging in the radioactive soil, using radioactive trees for fire, I can't see how the Russiaboos can spin this.

Do you know that Chernobyl (netflix series) is banned in Russia? ... because it negatively portraits commies and politburo. (can't question authorities, especially lying ones)

Only like 20% of all Russians have "foreign passports" to travel abroad and most of them used to visit closed resorts in Turkey and Egypt (because they are cheaper and cleaner than Russian resorts) So no, Russians never travel outside of Russia, they prefer to live in their own filth and listen to internal propaganda.



Russia is literally "golden horde", just like Putin said

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!! The Russian military opened a bazaar for trade awarded
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In the city of Narovlâ (Bilorus) the occupiers have arranged a specialized bazaar where they sell property in Ukraine. In the "assorted" of the Maroder Bazaar: washing machines and dishwashers, refrigerators, precious jewelry, cars, bicycles, motorcycles, dishes, carpets, artworks, children's toys, cosmetics. That is, everything that the Russians have gained by looting and robbing the civilians in Ukraine.
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The occupiers also try to exchange stolen currency - dollars and euros. But due to internal currencies restrictions, Belarusians are reluctant to agree on exchange operations and offer occupants to contact local banks. The Russians refuse, explaining this by banning command.
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At the moment, the occupants organized a centralized supply of new parties of lootersʹkogo "goods" to their bazaar. In particular, from the city of Buryn (Konotopsʹkij district Sumy region. ) in the direction of the state border, a column of trucks with various properties - industrial goods and household things is moving.
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In the city of Mozir (Bilorussia) Russian military KAMAZS are gathered from which soldiers are unloading packages with things obtained by looting. Robobovane is sent to the Russian Russian SDEK Express Delivery Service.


If you ever thought that it was below Russians to loot things from dead people, do you remember the Malaysian Boing MH17 that was shotdown?

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I honestly don't understand how they could have fucked up this badly. I would have thought that the Russians would be leveling all major Ukrainian defensive positions with artillery and bombers by now, and then sending the troops in; but lol nope apparently.

/int/ must be having a field day with this shit.
It's not just Russia fucking up, give Ukrainians some credit. They modernized their army, learning from 2014 and the ongoing conflict in Donbas, preparing for the eventual escalation as much as they could, while hoping it wouldn't happen.
Russia's army is bloated and relies on officers to guide it. Meanwhile, Ukraine received training from the western specialists, part of which making smaller units capable of independent maneuvers.
 
Some info regarding the biggest cargo plane in the world that got destroyed. The only new thing I've learned is that company in charge of it was offered by Germany to relocate these planes to their territory.
Their director refused said offer for some reason, and when shit hit the fan... he relocated himself. To Germany. So they fired him.
Mriya's destruction was one of the saddest events of the war. One of the final testaments of the strength of the USSR. Yes, it was shit and yes, it was rotten to the core. But Soviets uplifted tens of millions of people out of poverty. Generations of their ancestors lived in literal shit and only by the end of the XIX century, the Russian Empire was starting to show some progress but it was too late for it. Imagine being so fucked up, that commies end up being a net positive.

But anyway, for all its flaws, USSR gave people an idea to look at and some sort of semblance of hope, a dream. And the saddest thing is that Russians cannot cope with it. They must make everyone suffer equally to them because they think that it's unfair that without their "guidance" people can do better. So they destroy dreams. Dreams, where people united, achieve previously impossible.

Only like 20% of all Russians have "foreign passports" to travel abroad
It's the funniest thing. Russians were trolling us for years that "YOU WILL NEVER GET A VISA-FREE REGIME" and then when we did, they switched their tunes to "HOW DOES IT FEEL TO WORK FOR A POLISH PAN ON THE FARM, HUH?" quietly omitting the fact that not only we can cheaply see the wonders of Europe while being one of the poorest nations in Europe but people on those farms earn more than most Russians do in their offices (outside of IT professionals).
 
Russia tried. And then the corrupt generals all banded together to have him thrown out where he was replaced with Shoigu who could be trusted to look the other way at all the corrupt dealings... for the right price, of course.
Bruh, Serdyukov was corrupt as fuck.
He only lost his position because said corruption was publicly exposed, in way that couldn't be memory-holed. In a normal country he'd be rotting in prison for the rest of his life, but instead he simply got a new seat somewhere else.
 
It's the funniest thing. Russians were trolling us for years that "YOU WILL NEVER GET A VISA-FREE REGIME" and then when we did, they switched their tunes to "HOW DOES IT FEEL TO WORK FOR A POLISH PAN ON THE FARM, HUH?" quietly omitting the fact that not only we can cheaply see the wonders of Europe while being one of the poorest nations in Europe but people on those farms earn more than most Russians do in their offices (outside of IT professionals).
Envy and a primal desire to do anything and everything to pull everyone down to one's own shit filled level is legitimately THE worst thing that communism does with people.

Communism in many ways is as if you took the seven deadly sins out of christianity and turned it into a religion by itself. It's hilarious because it pretends none of those sins even exist within it's glorious system of perfectly managed equity but you need only take one look at an average communist or post-communist nation and see how much they embody every single one of those sins.

Entire culture is built around Pride of being a communist, it's elites are Gluttony/Sloth/Lust personified in their private lives, it's subjects are filled with Envy that has no outlet (elites are untouchable) so they take it out on everyone they possibly can with legitimate Wrath. Communist states embody all that shit on the international stage too, you can see all of it in their diplomacy and wars.
 
Russia's army is bloated and relies on officers to guide it. Meanwhile, Ukraine received training from the western specialists, part of which making smaller units capable of independent maneuvers.
Russian army relies on pre-determined plans made up by officers far away from the front lines, because ethos of Soviet army is still the same, 99% of dumb conscripts and 1% of officer corp who can read, but going from Soviet army to Russian army, officer corp became far worse because for a long time funding was scarce and only went up during expensive oil, only to go back to pittance. Anyone with half a brain would go into "business" or immigrate. Those who are left, survived on theft.

Russian commander has a choice to follow the plan from higher up, even if means to burn through conscripts, or use own initiative and risk court martial if shit goes bad (who has time for that?) Chernobayevka meme was pure Russian army ethos. Keep repeating to put troops and helis on already well marked territory by enemy artillery and hope something different happens. They lost a lot of equipment but guess what? ... no Russian officer will be court martialed for not following his orders (and also because they are dead)

It's the funniest thing. Russians were trolling us for years that "YOU WILL NEVER GET A VISA-FREE REGIME" and then when we did, they switched their tunes to "HOW DOES IT FEEL TO WORK FOR A POLISH PAN ON THE FARM, HUH?" quietly omitting the fact that not only we can cheaply see the wonders of Europe while being one of the poorest nations in Europe but people on those farms earn more than most Russians do in their offices (outside of IT professionals).

no worries bro, everyone "washed toilets" for someone else. Poles travel in mass to Germany for better wages, that's why they can't find enough labor domestically. It's all good. Btw Moldova is the poorest country and for what it's worth, poverty is largely determined by consooming. Ukraine consooms far less, but an average Ukrainian household (in a country) can literally never go to a store for a year and survive just fine, because everyone has their own animals and gardens. That's not bad, this what most conservative Americans wish they could be.
 
Envy and a primal desire to do anything and everything to pull everyone down to one's own shit filled level is legitimately THE worst thing that communism does with people.

Communism in many ways is as if you took the seven deadly sins out of christianity and turned it into a religion by itself. It's hilarious because it pretends none of those sins even exist within it's glorious system of perfectly managed equity but you need only take one look at an average communist or post-communist nation and see how much they embody every single one of those sins.

Entire culture is built around Pride of being a communist, it's elites are Gluttony/Sloth/Lust personified in their private lives, it's subjects are filled with Envy that has no outlet (elites are untouchable) so they take it out on everyone they possibly can with legitimate Wrath. Communist states embody all that shit on the international stage too, you can see all of it in their diplomacy and wars.
We're not talking about a communist state though. Russia has been a shittiest possible form of a capitalist state for 30 years. And while yes, the elite is from the communist times the idea can be separate from the implementers.

Communism and socialism in themselves are noble ideas of eradicating inequality and making everyone separate but equal. It's just...I don't think humanity is quite there yet and definitely, Russians weren't there yet. Hell, they've skipped some evolutionary steps to an actual representative democracy/republic and they jumped from feudalism straight to manufacturing capitalism to communism. We know the result.

You can hate on implementations of the communist theory but you can admire the idea and there were plenty of people, who gave their best to the Soviet regime because they believed that it was furthering those noble ideas and in a sense, they were.

It's just that the leaders were rotten from the start. Then again, leaders are a reflection of the people, so who knows.

I don't know. Commiebashing is fun but there's a reason why impoverished peasants took up arms and went for it. It's not because they just wanted to simply take and not give back.
 
It's just that the leaders were rotten from the start. Then again, leaders are a reflection of the people, so who knows.

I don't know. Commiebashing is fun but there's a reason why impoverished peasants took up arms and went for it. It's not because they just wanted to simply take and not give back.

I don't want to shit up this thread debating this, but yes:

1. Propaganda washes brains (I was a member of communist youth and believed in all the glorious ideals of the Party) ... but I never stopped to question authority, understand our enemy or admit sins. I looked for books that were forbidden. This is what separates animals/slaves from humans, consciousness to make your decisions.

2. "People deserve the leadership they have" ... applies to total population, as average, no outliers considered. Fish does rot from the head though.


The problem with Russia and their support for Putin, it's centuries old breeding program where population worships Khan/Tsar/Premier and any outliars are culled out with death/Sibiria/Gulags. This shit works for dogs and cats, why would it not work for humans?




brah, look at previous page, we'd seen the zerohedge link and explanation on this was already given. They left the country few hours before Russian invasion. Investigation is still ongoing, but treason/defection is beyond a question. At some point they'll get what's coming to them, it's not a priority right now.
 
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