Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Getting tard comed]

And, most importantly, this.



Overall, I feel he is stating very self-evident things. "2+2=4" level of self-evident.

Agree 100% just curious how the ukie lovers in this thread are gonna spin it into Russia Bad. I'm not sure how they will but I'm excited to see.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Should I remind you that Zelensky is a Jew? Because he's Jewish, didn't you know? There can be no Nazism in a country with a Jewish president, and besides, Zelensky is a Jew.
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oy vey cool it with the anti negro talk.

 

[WolfeTone]

@Trigger Me Timbers
Here dude, I know you haven't posted about it since the day it happened, but this is where you talk about your opinions on Ukraine. You don't gotta make up a whole big project just to sell your shitty viewpoint, just come here and spew it out.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

Fun recreational activity. Remember cup stacking? That is why the West will fail.

Cup stacking is one of the weirdest things ever that people got into. Its distilled autism channelled into something only amusing for moms and interested autistics. You can't use cup stacking to troll celebrities or call an airstrike on mujahedeen.

 

[White_N]

Bow down, worms, the master race is coming.

Super Sus​

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Bow down, worms, the master race is coming.
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Is that a rape midget?

 

[White_N]

Is that a rape midget?

A celebrity troglodyte is a more appropriate description.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

A celebrity troglodyte is a more appropriate description.

Seriously that looks like the missing link between man and ape.

 

[kuuu]

Oh hey, CRP is still alive and kicking. And does some propaganda debunking of all things.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

Bow down, worms, the master race is coming.

Super Sus​

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I see Hornswoggle has fallen on hard times.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

It's big talk and I'm sure lots of people there grumble like this in private, but in their position I doubt you would actually do anything about it.

Whatever keeps your bed dry buddy. I'm sure this has worked wonders for Putin when he expected that he could just invade Ukraine and that they would just take it with a smile.

Yes because neither do we and yet you say we are supposed to change it... Somehow. I would be out there doing more than what I am doing now if I knew what would actually help.

Yes, yes it is, becuse they are not sending you to a Siberian gulag or beat you bloody. They fine you 300$ each time you go to protest, which is about 1/4 of an average Russian's income on a good month, 1/2 on a bad one or your entire paycheck if you are working a minimum wage job at Michey Dee's... Which, by the way, is no longer available because Micky Dee pulled out.

That makes you unable to meet the ends at all. Hello homelessness.

Yeah, it got stomped out and trampled flat 700 years ago. There went our first genuine attempt at democracy. They did not choose to get trampled by the tzarist streltsy.

Putin coopts all recognised opposition (Yabloko, its Communist party etc.) censors and tramples on the actual opposition by calling them foreign agents or saboteurs, feeds the rest of his population absurd propaganda (which sanctifies his own regime as if it's the country itself.) It's transparent as fuck. I'm sure you know it. All Russians know it. Worse yet, most are complacent with it. So what keeps Putin in power isn't his iron fist but your apathy. No healthy society would tolerate this KGB-LARPing, cab-driving, war-mongering dwarf. That's why he keeps good people down with fines, jail and extrajudicial murder before an organic opposition ever has the chance to materialise itself. And the best part? He didn't do it overnight. Russians gave him leeway for decades before he'd managed to chokehold the entire nation as he does now. Indifference made Putin. Your relatives made him. I bet you sit down with them around the table and hear them glorify the invasion of Ukraine.

What you're describing is communist mentality, not Russian mentality. The above can be said about North Korea too.

That's simply not true. Russia's exceptionalism and self-imposed victimhood has existed since way before communism became its state ideology. Hell the only reason why the Bolsheviks won against the Whites during the civil war was because the latter was too busy brutalising peasants to unite under a single cause.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Curious what some of you think.

As a Russian he expresses the historical paranoia (somewhat justified) of Russia.

In certain ways the ancient Assyrians shared the same paranoia and sentiments as the Russians since the Assyrian homeland was also very vulnerable to attack and conquest.

The Russians also share with the Assyrians the fact that they have former vassals and enemies that hate their guts and want them destroyed.

Moscow could have ended up like Nineveh if nuclear weapons didn't exist but that's just my opinion.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

“Russia cannot afford to lose, so we need a kind of a victory”: Sergey Karaganov on what Putin wants

A former adviser to the Kremlin explains how Russia views the war in Ukraine, fears over Nato and China, and the fate of liberalism.

www.newstatesman.com

Interesting interview with an advisor to Putin and Yeltsan. Kind of amazing to read an interview with a state official who doesn't sound like they are LARPing the West Wing but idk if that says more about me and what interviews I'm reading vs the West officials.

The guy gave level headed answers, and I assume what he is saying is what Russia's position is for a lot of this which is simply good to be aware of. Everybody keeps jumping to the nuclear option and while I think Russia is willing and able to launch one if it came to that, I'm pretty sure when he is talking escalation there are a bunch of other steps Russia is ready to tale before they end it all.

Curious what some of you think.

while the goals he lists seem to gel with what we've seen, the truth of it is still that Russia started this whole shit by moving a mass of their forces over a period of 2 months - it wasn't until that happened that Zelensky made the first quip of: "well maybe we SHOULD join NATO." and then the invasion happened. so the provocation on that part was deffo moreso Russia's. the reason as to why they decided to do that 2 months mobilization in the first place, tho, could have something to do with the other 2 reasons. demilitarization seems fairly obvious, what with ukranian army beefing in the east and whatnot, while the whole 'denazification' thing to me reads as a bit different. while there certainly are neo-nazis aplenty in Ukraine, quite frankly I don't think Putin gives two shits if they exist outside his borders or within them (where he has, as a matter of fact, secretly funded such groups in Russia if only to wreck other potential political dangers at home). I was moreso intrigued by his use of the word 'ultra-nationalist' as recent rise in Ukraine to be the real reason for this invasion. it's no secret that Russia sees Ukraine as a 'wayward child' that must eventually reunite with the Rodina, but if several years of ultra-nationalism is allowed to run rampant under Zelensky that would seriously complicate any form of 'reunification with the Rodina' in the longer term. hence probably the main reason for this desperate invasion - to head it off before it could happen.

problem is, with Kevin most certainly not attainable short of nuclear bombs, and with that neither is the regime change that absolutely was a goal for the russians at the start of all this, so that's one big objective they will almost certainly fail at. I don't think they're going to get anything more than parts of the east and the south of the country - and based on what they'll give up for it, this will very likely turn into a phyrric victory in the long term, no matter how much it might not feel as such in the short term.

the rest I consider to be a bit too much hopeful thinking on his part, especially that EU countries could partition parts of western Ukraine if the govt. does collapse, while Russia gets the east lmao - yeah, not happening. globohomo will never allow that so long as there is even an ounce of their faithful Zelensky puppet's regime still alive and kicking. this part, tho, I feel is worth quoting:

BM Do you think this is a moment of supreme danger for Russia?


SK I would say yes, this is an existential war. If we do not win, somehow, then I think we will have all kinds of unforeseen political repercussions which are much worse than at the beginning of the 1990s. But I believe that we will avoid that, first, because Russia will win, whatever that victory means, and second, because we have a strong and tough regime, so in any event, or if the worst happens, it will not be the dissolution of the country or collapse. I think it will be closer to a harsh authoritarian regime than to the dissolution of the country. But still, defeat is unthinkable.


BM What would qualify as defeat?


SK I do not know. That is the question. We need victory. I don’t think that, even if we conquered all of Ukraine and all the military forces of Ukraine surrendered, it would be a victory, because then we will be left with the burden of a devastated country, one devastated by 30 years of inept elite rule, and then of course devastation from our military operation. So I think at one point we need a kind of a solution which would be called peace, and which would include de facto the creation of some kind of a viable, pro-Russian government on the territory of Ukraine, and real security for the Donbas republics.

and goes on to consider any kind of stalemate over months or years to inevitably lead to escalation with NATO powers and the US. which, TBH, I hope to cripes they just get at least a cease-fire going before then, install their own puppet regime and call that a victory - hollow though it might be. mainly because if this guy is willing to name this as the alternative, and was once in the upper echelon of decision makers over there, it's really driving home that quote from Chernobyl about Russia being a country desperate to never be embarrassed, no matter what other wreckage comes of it. even the nuclear kind.

 

[Borscht]

Putin coopts all recognised opposition (Yabloko, its Communist party etc.) censors and tramples on actual opposition by calling them foreign agents or saboteurs, feeds the rest of the population absurd propaganda (which sanctifies his own regime as if it's the country itself.) It's transparent as fuck. I'm sure you know it. All Russians know it. Worse yet, most are complacent with it. So what keeps Putin in power isn't his iron fist but your apathy. No healthy society would tolerate this KGB-LARPing, cab-driving, war-mongering dwarf. That's why he keeps good people down with fines, jail and extrajudicial murder before an organic opposition ever has the chance to materialise itself. And the best part? He didn't do it overnight. Russians gave him leeway for decades before he'd managed to chokehold the entire nation as he does now. Indifference made Putin. Your relatives made him. I bet you sit down with them around the table and hear them glorify the invasion of Ukraine.

So no specific plan of action but all Russians are subhuman mongrels, got it. Thank you for your input into the conversation.

 

[Mr Processor]

“Russia cannot afford to lose, so we need a kind of a victory”: Sergey Karaganov on what Putin wants

A former adviser to the Kremlin explains how Russia views the war in Ukraine, fears over Nato and China, and the fate of liberalism.

www.newstatesman.com

Interesting interview with an advisor to Putin and Yeltsan. Kind of amazing to read an interview with a state official who doesn't sound like they are LARPing the West Wing but idk if that says more about me and what interviews I'm reading vs the West officials.

The guy gave level headed answers, and I assume what he is saying is what Russia's position is for a lot of this which is simply good to be aware of. Everybody keeps jumping to the nuclear option and while I think Russia is willing and able to launch one if it came to that, I'm pretty sure when he is talking escalation there are a bunch of other steps Russia is ready to tale before they end it all.

Curious what some of you think.

BM What was your reaction to President Biden’s comment that President Putin cannot stay in power?

SK Well, President Biden often makes all kind of comments.

This is one of those diplomat answers that I really love. Basically, he doesn't take Biden very seriously as the Leader of the Free World, but he didn't say that directly. He follows it up with:

[Afterwards,] he was corrected by his colleagues, so nobody’s taking the statement seriously.

He knows that Biden isn't really in control of the Biden administration.

I believe people have been somewhat reassured by the fact that Russia does not have a nuclear first strike doctrine, but I wouldn't rely on that in the event Russia (or the Russian government) faces an existential threat. Only an insane person would want a nuclear war though, so things would need to escalate a lot more before it comes to that.

 

[White_N]

News from Dvach(2ch) which unexpectedly turned out to be seriously pro-Ukrainian.

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Russians are waiting for a "snow apocalypse"

Russians don't have to wait for warmth. Warming will come to Russia no earlier than May, the Phobos weather center reported. They also noted that April will become abnormally cold, and a "snow apocalypse" can be expected next evening:

"The bad weather will only increase, April is cold. We would like to survive what is happening on the street right now. Especially what will happen tonight and on Sunday night. It's going to be like a snow apocalypse full"

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I did not expect sanctions to be imposed on the spring itself

Here are some comfy winter felines to survive a "snow apocalypse."

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

So no specific plan of action but all Russians are subhuman mongrels, got it. Thank you for your input into the conversation.

Holy shit there we go victimising ourselves again. Hey last time there was any outsider's plan of action they ended up being scapegoats for the 1998 default. You can't expect me to be so entitled as to tell you what to do.

 

[Shiawase]

Whatever keeps your bed dry buddy. I'm sure this has worked wonders for Putin when he expected that he could just invade Ukraine and that they would just take it with a smile.

You've already been asked for suggestions on how to tackle the problem and you came up with nothing. I'm not sure exactly what you expect the Russian citizenry to do. Nice bait though.

 

[cistendered]

Get your tissues ready ukiebros, the Russians are confirmed to have journocausted another jewish agitprop peddler. In honor of his memory, let's remind ourselves of the new Ukrainians he and his ilk want for a post-war Ukraine:

 

[Borscht]

Holy shit there we go victimising ourselves again. Hey last time there was any outsider's plan of action they ended up being scapegoats for the 1998 default. You can't expect me to be so entitled as to tell you what to do.

I seldom tell people where to go, but will make an exception just this once. You have already been advised to return to Reddit, and I concur - if this is the best level of discourse you can provide.