Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

I had a scare earlier today. I noticed a friend of mine was online, so I clicked on her profile so that I could message her. I saw the goddamn pronouns shit and groaned, wondering if she was about to fall down the hole. I was honestly fearful that someone had talked her into this shit, but my fears were unfounded. She apparently did it so people would stop mistaking her for a dude online, and I convinced her to just put F for female, since that's the Age / Sex / Location style and it takes up less space and characters. I'm still a bit worried, as she has an issue with her hormones and fear that some troon may try and exploit that.

My sister's boyfriend's niece, whom I have yet to meet, is someone I suspect is being groomed. My sister recounted that she's only 12, has declared herself pansexual, and has a friend who dresses like a guy. She recently got into a spat with her mother and accused her mother of transphobia over that goddamn Lia Thomas. I may try and talk to him about this situation when I get the chance. I bet you all 10-to-1 that she's on Discord.
 
I had a scare earlier today. I noticed a friend of mine was online, so I clicked on her profile so that I could message her. I saw the goddamn pronouns shit and groaned, wondering if she was about to fall down the hole. I was honestly fearful that someone had talked her into this shit, but my fears were unfounded. She apparently did it so people would stop mistaking her for a dude online, and I convinced her to just put F for female, since that's the Age / Sex / Location style and it takes up less space and characters. I'm still a bit worried, as she has an issue with her hormones and fear that some troon may try and exploit that.

My sister's boyfriend's niece, whom I have yet to meet, is someone I suspect is being groomed. My sister recounted that she's only 12, has declared herself pansexual, and has a friend who dresses like a guy. She recently got into a spat with her mother and accused her mother of transphobia over that goddamn Lia Thomas. I may try and talk to him about this situation when I get the chance. I bet you all 10-to-1 that she's on Discord.
Man, these last three generations are fucked.
 
A while back I posted about my best friend from when we were still kids at school. She's a very vocal trans activist now and all her social media pages just focus on the fact that shes a nonbinary queer trans who wants to protect trans kids and thinks Ellen Page is a role model for cutting her breasts off. I've barely talked to her in the past years, but we've politely texted a few times. Now she wants to meet up with me, says she misses me. I still think that deep down she is a good, gentle and sensitive young woman, but she has been groomed into the trans thing so deeply that now she is actively platforming for more vulnerable young girls and boys (like her!) to be harmed.

I don't know if I should just ghost her. I can smile and nod at other random troonery I encounter in online circles or IRL, but I'm not sure if I could pretend to honestly support her new identity. Actually I'm kind of concerned that I will snap and tell her that I think that transgenderism is very harmful to her face - and I do not want to suffer the social consequences this entails, because while I'm pretty much a nobody she has a big platform and partial influence in our circles.

I really miss my friend. We went through some hard times together. I don't know if that is enough to get me to meet up with this person she has become though.

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Maybe go anyway, and use that experience to gage how you really feel. Tell her you have limited time, or have a friend call, if you want an escape. If it's terrible and you can't pretend, see it as a final goodbye (for now at least) after which you can move on with no regrets. If it turns out ok and she can talk about stuff that's not trans trans trans, maybe you can keep the lines of communication open.

But you don't owe it to her to meet up, and if you feel like you don't want to, don't!
 
As for the victim, when your child comes out of the blue with "if you don't refer to me as he/him/my name of choice I will cut you out of my life forever"... who is the victim of manipulation and abuse? Mom.
nd i have to agree with the other poster in that trying to play any kind of "i'm in the right" or "i'm the real victim here" game with a delusional tranny kid is completely pointless, because even though you're objectively right, the kid is incapable of recognizing that, and will instead just react by building up even more spite and defiance directed against you
Dumb Dude is spot on with this analysis. It matters very little in your daughter's mind what reality says.

I want to illustrate how all of this works, but it's difficult. Your daughter likely suffers from borderline personality disorder or a similar Cluster B disorder. More often than not, people your daughter's age will not receive a diagnosis other than 'cluster B personality traits' as something like BPD takes many years of repeated behaviors that are resultant of that disorder. While it can be a physiological disorder passed down by genetics, it is noticeably pervasive as a worldview in youth today, likely due to novel family structures like dual income households, the single mother households, and kids being plugged-in and raised online from at minimum adolescence for kids in their 20s today. The isolation and lack of meaningful worldly connections leaves them susceptible to any ideology or movement in a bad way.

]No single factor can be traced back as causal, but it's simple to see how each factor plays a role. I can provide examples of how I believe it to extrapolate into adulthood and troonery but it feels needless to explain and obvious to observe.

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When we look at the traits consistent with Cluster B, it's plain to see why I believe it to be the primary factor in adopting the tranny lifestyle. Not mentioned explicitly in the provided graphic is that people suffering from such disorders have weak foundations and weak egos. The primary social circles we all have (work, family, friends) are disjointed, badly proportioned, or non-existent. "It takes a village," as they say, and this doesn't stop in childhood. Without a diverse range of people, opinions, and experiences to draw from you lose a sense of direction and drive. The experiences provided to us by our peers is what guides us for better or for worse and we have no say in it. For someone with Cluster B traits that has a relatively well rounded life, this can mean forming unhealthy attachments to people, having strained or non-existent personal values or foundations, and latching on to anything that improves the ego.

Impulsivity is also a lead trait in Cluster B Disorders. This isn't necessarily typical impulsivity as the average person experiences it where you sign up for a volunteer job or buy something a bit too expensive when you shouldn't have. These are life-altering or path-changing impulsive decisions. It can be suddenly quitting a job, making a massive sale or purchase, cutting off relationships, finding new ideologies/philosophies/ways of thinking (this is rarely discussed when talking about Cluster B), suddenly getting married, etc. Unmanaged Cluster B sufferers are, quite literally, that crazy bitch in everyone's life. It is also more pervasive and presenting in females than males.

I want to bring up the black-and-white thinking consistent with Cluster B. There is a very strong belief in the mind of the sufferer that things have to be one way or the other. This isn't just about being good or evil. The sufferer will establish in their mind that someone is either angry or happy. Often, if someone gets upset with them, they will be under the impression that the individual now dislikes them or may have an agenda against them. They will often leave relationships over really minor disagreements or faux-pas, because they can't imagine that the person they're speaking to will continue to like them anymore. This thinking is then internalized and projected back outward creating a feedback loop where the sufferer now uses the same logical steps to establish whether they like someone or not. If someone pissed them off, then they must not be good friends. It's that black and white.

So we've established that people suffering from Cluster B traits or disorders are, on a baseline:
  • Emotionally unstable
  • Unable to form or sustain meaningful relationships
  • Unable to form strong foundations of personal values and beliefs
  • Likely to latch on to relationships and the feelings and beliefs contained within
  • Always see things as black and white

It's hard to get through to them. There is no middle ground in their mind. Emotional thinking wears the crown and always comes first. While a BPD sufferer can be powerfully logical and analytical in their work, relationships and emotions become an unnavigable quagmire with no rudders. They are emotionally stunted. It's pervasive today because all of these kids are on the internet where we coldly discuss feelings and hatred and killing people and make analytical posts like this one. There's no emotional development in any of it. It's the same reason cyberbullying isn't real, the same reason you only blow air out your nose when you see a funny meme, and the same reason emotional long distance relationships don't function. It's a machine. I may as well be inputting this post into notepad. There's no way to confirm that any of you are anything more than bots or zogs sent to shit on me or validate me. That's the difference between real life and the internet: legitimate connections and emotional bonds.

Something many will dispute is whether the sufferers do their actions with malice or purpose. It's a mixture. The emotional response comes to them just as the rational response may come to you. Where someone says something snarky and you immediately rationalize why you're getting that attitude, a sufferer will just as unconsciously move to react. It's a process of assessing information, thinking, and reacting moreso than a disease which is why it's referred to as a personality disorder. While momentarily the sufferer may recognize the malice in what they may do next, the drive to react overrides rationality. So yes, they do know their malice, but they have little control over it in minor cases. In severe cases, the sufferer will begin to recognize how it manipulates others and will take advantage, steering their emotional instability like some kind of fucked up unicycle made of chainsaws.


I haven't touched on the emotional explosiveness purposefully. We all know what it looks like as it is the projection of a BPD sufferer. What I wanted to do was try to provide insight into the mind of someone who suffers from Cluster B Disorders. I sincerely and genuinely believe it to be the bottom line of the trans movement. It checks every box for a Cluster B personality and provides remedies for so many of the sufferer's problems.

I would encourage anyone dealing with someone like this to look into treatments for Cluster B, learn more about it, and learn how to live with someone who suffers from it. It is a complex disorder and many people misunderstand it, casting it as the defacto "crazy person" disorder - and I can't say they're wrong - but it's so much more than that. It's actual emotional retardation, and I don't mean the derogatory retardation, I mean the medical term.

Eta: I'm talking about a lot of this like I'm right. I feel strongly about it but obviously I'm not out here writing a thesis. Compare my thoughts and your research to the trannies in your life and see if it aligns.
 

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My fucking God, this shit with my ex and the troonism shit becoming more popular is driving me up the wall. I'm honestly freaking out, I keep crying on and off and I have constant thoughts of *me* committing neck rope. I feel like its my fault that my ex is slowly dying. He was hospitalised this year already as it is. I don't know what to do anymore, I feel like a bad person and I'm completely lost. I don't know if I'm just being dramatic or if its just mood swings/Mental Illness or what but I hate it all. I just wish it would all stop, I didn't come to the farms to chimp out about my ex, I just wanted to laugh at insane people and look at people picking their legs off. I'm sorry for always talking in here and major powerleveling constantly. Thank you all for tolerating it.
 
Ok, where did I say I lied to her? I'm not disputing your claim, but sincerely asking you to point out my own lies so I can see it and not repeat.
When your goal is to get her off the internet so much and you suggest to volunteerwork. You said yourself didn't tell her your motive. That's manipulation.

Note, the book I suggested recommends basically kidnapping someone to deprogram them from cults, so it's not like there never is a place and time for deceptive behaviour, but if she didnt find a job in 6 months, she's unlikely to start doing volunteer work. It seems to me you're trying a desperate shortcut fix which risks damaging your relationship further.

As for the victim, when your child comes out of the blue with "if you don't refer to me as he/him/my name of choice I will cut you out of my life forever"... who is the victim of manipulation and abuse? Mom.
See? Others may have indoctrinated her with transgender ideology, but you thinking in victimhood stories like this is probably what made her more vulnerable to victimhood narratives.

Because in some sense everyone is a victim. She. You. Your other child(ren?). It is an unproductive way to think of things.

Yes, it must be one of the absolute worst things imaginable that could happen to a parent. And no, I'm not one, so I can only approach the relationship from the other direction.

You can't reason your way out of a relationship that you behaved yourself into. I am focusing on your part in this not because you are the source of this all happening, but because that is the part you have control over.

Here are questions that I would ask myself:

1. Why did she feel the need for a threat to accompany the request?
2. Why did the large change catch me by surprise and I missed the signals that something was changing?
3. What things do I say or do that would cause her to not trust me?
4. What is the list of things that she's getting from following this ideology?
5. What is the lists of things she's losing or risks losing from following this ideology...that she cares about?

(In regards to 4, it seems to me:

1. A support network
2. Freedom from responsibility (as all victim narratives do)
3. Something novel/interesting to explore
4. Positive reinforcement
5. An enemy/evil to agitate against (the nazis that just dont understand!)
6. Protected class status (transgenders have threatened violence on tv, started hate campaigns online with doxing, but they always get protected because they are trans. For example my new youtube accounts kept getting banned, so I made a new one with "trans" in the name and it didn't get banned. In certain spaces, particularly mainstream ones, you get treated like royalty.

If you doubt that, watch this video, where a vicious political disagreement makes someone turn around on a dime in defference when she learns the other is transgender (who only did it to troll, but that isn't important because the other believed it and it's the reaction that counts)


Feel free to add or remove things as you see fit.
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I think it's important to respect your enemy and see what in fact they are offering her.
 
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Discord is her thing
Sweet Jesus it sucks to come back to this thread only to find it's grown by several pages. Discord is a wretched hive.
Now, I don't believe that any one platform or game or TV show is a source of corruption but, right now, Discord is the place where the worst individuals, pedos and groomers of other stripes, gather to have great influence. I'm trying not to sperg out but letting them use Discord unmonitored was a mistake. Necessary powerlevel here, I'm in a Discord server that is not for sexual content but it is for something that attracts fan-made porn of the characters and that content is one shitty age prompt away. Now, the other week an underage guy entered this Discord and immediately asked us to help pick what merchandise to purchase because his mother only gave him so much money to buy once and we all told him we can't give such financial advice. Other Discords are not so responsible.

Why I'm telling you this is because there are a ton of Discords for games, art, shows, whatever, that naturally have a fanbase of all ages, but those teenagers will predictibly become familiar and even bond with the adult users who are obviously the ones enjoying the 18+ section right there on the list of channels. They will see them as their friendly seniors while being aware on some level about the sexual activity of that total stranger.

And that's all incidental, that's not even getting into the AGP-targeted Discords I've heard of that are basically circles of psychos into this sissy-hypno shit that trade brainwashing material It's like nonstop bad porn moans while a female text-to-speech voice repeats something like "you are a woman and you like being fucked" on loop. Sick fucks like them obviously don't give a shit about minors in chat. I'm glad your son seems immune to the strain of troonery that's claimed your daughter but take care of him too.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if, in your eyes, your daughter came out of the blue with all these 'sudden' changes, she was likely on Discord for years hoovering this shit up from servers other than the one you know she's been on with her brother. People taught her how to get on testosterone. She is also genuinely believes she is the victim and that sudden letter was not so sudden for her, it was her first step to breaking free much like an abuse victim may 'suddenly' vanish from the house they lived in with their abuser with all their belongings.

In her mind, this 'advice' was going set her free.

@Osmosis Jones Coming at it from the angle of how to live with someone with a disorder sounds useful but I wouldn't want to suggest to Bob Jensen that the daughter actually warrants a BPD diagnosis from us armchairing over the internet. I think everyone who ever had a phase of hating their parents knew exactly what to say to hurt them the most and all the gender cult pressure might have her so desperately wanting to troon out that she believes she has to say this to get what she (thinks she) wants.

What DumbDude42 said was right, they'll build up that spite and hatred to fire off words at you because that's how they're fighting this 'war' between you. Unfortunately I've got zero advice on what to actually do about it, maybe you need to offer some kind of olive branch to ask for peace, if not to stop the trooning process then at least to repair the rift between the two of you. I'm gonna say I also agree with Lemmingwise's sentiment to ask yourself those questions, what I'm trying to add alongside it about your daughter is the perspective she is thinking from because I'm closer to her peer group than yours. What's apparent to me is that there was some social/emotional need not being met; or she was plain groomed by people who created that need and unfortunately she wasn't resilient enough to reject it.
 
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My fucking God, this shit with my ex and the troonism shit becoming more popular is driving me up the wall. I'm honestly freaking out, I keep crying on and off and I have constant thoughts of *me* committing neck rope. I feel like its my fault that my ex is slowly dying. He was hospitalised this year already as it is. I don't know what to do anymore, I feel like a bad person and I'm completely lost. I don't know if I'm just being dramatic or if its just mood swings/Mental Illness or what but I hate it all. I just wish it would all stop, I didn't come to the farms to chimp out about my ex, I just wanted to laugh at insane people and look at people picking their legs off. I'm sorry for always talking in here and major powerleveling constantly. Thank you all for tolerating it.
Internet hugs to you, @snake aids ❤️ you sound like you need a break from the net and some sunshine, maybe a nap. Walking away to reset and process is OK. What someone else chooses to do of their own free will is not your fault. Check out this article about compassionate detachment. This concept is the only thing that helped me survive difficult situations with other people who were less than sane, with my own sanity intact. Maybe it can be of of some help to you.
 
My fucking God, this shit with my ex and the troonism shit becoming more popular is driving me up the wall. I'm honestly freaking out, I keep crying on and off and I have constant thoughts of *me* committing neck rope. I feel like its my fault that my ex is slowly dying. He was hospitalised this year already as it is. I don't know what to do anymore, I feel like a bad person and I'm completely lost. I don't know if I'm just being dramatic or if its just mood swings/Mental Illness or what but I hate it all. I just wish it would all stop, I didn't come to the farms to chimp out about my ex, I just wanted to laugh at insane people and look at people picking their legs off. I'm sorry for always talking in here and major powerleveling constantly. Thank you all for tolerating it.
Dude, I'm so sorry. That sounds horrible and really stressful. You're absolutely not a bad person, or responsible, just cause he is being a stupid.

Also, do you have anyone you can talk to IRL about this stuff.? It sounds like it's getting pretty rough over there and your mental health is taking some heavy fallout, which makes it hard to think clearly and logically about how to respond or even detach emotionally.
 
Welp, it looks like my cousin is going down the they/them route. I honestly don’t know what the fuck happened, he was perfectly normal when I saw him last summer and his twin brother hasn’t gotten into any of this bullshit. He’s only 13 as well *sigh*
 
Internet hugs to you, @snake aids ❤️ you sound like you need a break from the net and some sunshine, maybe a nap. Walking away to reset and process is OK. What someone else chooses to do of their own free will is not your fault. Check out this article about compassionate detachment. This concept is the only thing that helped me survive difficult situations with other people who were less than sane, with my own sanity intact. Maybe it can be of of some help to you.
Thank you, that article is very helpful :-)
Dude, I'm so sorry. That sounds horrible and really stressful. You're absolutely not a bad person, or responsible, just cause he is being a stupid.

Also, do you have anyone you can talk to IRL about this stuff.? It sounds like it's getting pretty rough over there and your mental health is taking some heavy fallout, which makes it hard to think clearly and logically about how to respond or even detach emotionally.
Thank you. I usually talk about it to my psychologist but she's got covid at the moment. Other than that I usually just hang out with friends and try to forget about it.
Welp, it looks like my cousin is going down the they/them route. I honestly don’t know what the fuck happened, he was perfectly normal when I saw him last summer and his twin brother hasn’t gotten into any of this bullshit. He’s only 13 as well *sigh*
Ah shit, I wish you luck. Hopefully he will grow out of it. Are his parents encouraging it? If there isn't encouragement then he should get bored sooner or later and just drop it.
 
Welp, it looks like my cousin is going down the they/them route. I honestly don’t know what the fuck happened, he was perfectly normal when I saw him last summer and his twin brother hasn’t gotten into any of this bullshit. He’s only 13 as well *sigh*
Does he happen to be really into TikTok?
 
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Not terribly eager for an event at the end of this month.

The story thus far- myself and the other women scared a fresh troon out of my local community like a black bear in our yard. He moved to the yonder community where they use his pronouns and affirm him and all that good crap, which is expected because there's literally never women in that group.

He's also inherited an old social group of mine. I was cutting ties already, aggressively, for various normal reasons- they're all foul and immature and cringey and they don't put in an equal amount of effort to see me as I do them. So fuck em. But last time I saw them they'd added a pair of enbies, a poly trio, and of course aforementioned troon, who they barely know and seem to have plucked specifically to be the party troon. I managed one quick blow before leaving for good
(me loudly to a friend: "...and that's why Chris Chan is in jail" "he is! well! that's what I expected for him."
troon: "who?" my friend: "Chris Chan, he-" *naively, repeats something I said two minutes ago* "... He's a crazy guy who transitioned because he wants to attract lesbians!"
troon: "oh... I see.......")
and swore them all off.

Unfortunately we all get together as a mega group once or twice a year and that's going to be late this month. He won't be the only tranny there either. As far as I have observed, every moment you spend talking to a tranny might as well be spent stroking their dicks, you're not a participant in a conversation, you're an aphrodisiac for a masturbation session that night. And I'm not free to leave when I want to either. So it's going to be like a round of Pac Man that lasts for eight hours and there's no fruit.

I've definitely noticed how groups that welcome troons become less and less positive for women. Men are really tolerant of things like, how disgusting a venue is, or how annoying the company is even if they're old friends. But as the shitstains mount and the friends get dumber women all bail. It's been an undercurrent goal to stick to good places and keep better company to proactively ward them off.
 
My sister has some friends. I think theyre all 18 by now but this definitely started when they were still minors. Both girls whos dads got divorced and immediately remarried "the other woman" (not sure if there was actual cheating going on but both remarriages were super fast). Overbearing moms. One is a they/them now. The other girl is fully a transman and started on hormones before turning 18. She has chron's disease and spent a lot of time in the hospital for it, homeschooled, tons of medication etc. Couldnt be more obvious shes just looking for a way to feel in control of her body.

Other sister tried to come out as a they/them to my dad but he shut that down pretty efficiently lol. Sister has severe anxiety and had a conversion disorder at one point (literally could not use her legs and was confined to a wheelchair bc of psychosomatic bullshit). Dad told her that she couldnt trust her brain to "tell her she was not a girl" when her brain literally told her her perfectly healthy legs didnt work.
 
The story thus far- myself and the other women scared a fresh troon out of my local community like a black bear in our yard. He moved to the yonder community where they use his pronouns and affirm him and all that good crap, which is expected because there's literally never women in that group.
God is in this thread tonight. He just posted about his "girldick" publicly on Facebook.

Fending off trannies is just judo, let them make asses of themselves rather than stick your neck out.
 
When your goal is to get her off the internet so much and you suggest to volunteerwork. You said yourself didn't tell her your motive. That's manipulation.
Yes, I see what you meant now. Thank you for pointing to it. I had other motives as well but I understand what you took from that.

I appreciate the rest of your post as well and will think on all of it.

As for the victimhimhood, I think we are both affected by internal and external circumstances. Neither one of us should identify as "victims". I want us to work through that. I do not want us to live in that space.
 
Yes, I see what you meant now. Thank you for pointing to it. I had other motives as well but I understand what you took from that.

I appreciate the rest of your post as well and will think on all of it.

As for the victimhimhood, I think we are both affected by internal and external circumstances. Neither one of us should identify as "victims". I want us to work through that. I do not want us to live in that space.
I'm happy to hear that you're doing the hard work of taking some of my criticism on board. This shit isn't easy.

I think I've offered about the extend of what I know to give unprompted. If there's anything else I or someone else can help with, I hope you'll let us know.
 
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