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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I'm definitely noting that there are two groups of conservatives with regards to the Putin issue.

From what my admittedly limited sampling tells me, the Putin simps are the ones who were invested in the concept of being "A Conservative", capital C. While people who held views that make them a conservative are more generally inclined to see Putin for what he is.

I would call myself a conservative, but it's a descriptor, for me, not a lifestyle choice.
That's definitely the case for me and the people I know. We aren't conservative because we think it's cool but more it's our lifestyle. So that explains it for me.
 
I really can't believe how much we overestimated the intelligence of the Russian army. They really did just scrape random gopniks off the street and pack them into the army, did they? Or brought in some random bum who was sleeping on the sidewalk because he was piss-ass drunk from downing another bottle of vodka.......

You'd think Chernobyl as an event and a location would be something that these people would remember. Kind of like how 9/11 would be for Americans, especially New Yorkers. But no, they really were just that stupid. Digging in the radioactive soil, using radioactive trees for fire, I can't see how the Russiaboos can spin this. This is incompetence on a massive scale. They make Saddam's army look well-organized by comparison, and that army was easily crushed by the West.
The corruption over there is insane.

One of my acquaintances who lives there says that the majority of the recruiters are shady/corrupt. They get younger men into the military by telling them that they'll never have to fight and will get easy pay.

The new recruits are hazed/abused, given the most basic training, and left to fuck around on cold-war-era bases all day with no real direction, basically filling space.

Then, when the Ukraine shit started, they rounded the newbies up, equipped them, told them "Ukrainians can't fight for shit, you'll win in days" and sent them off.

Yeah, this happens in other militaries (Even in the US), but it's apparently out of control in Russia.

So you have poorly trained, poorly motivated troops, equipped with poorly maintained Soviet equipment being sent in with poor logistics.
 
I'm definitely noting that there are two groups of conservatives with regards to the Putin issue.

From what my admittedly limited sampling tells me, the Putin simps are the ones who were invested in the concept of being "A Conservative", capital C. While people who held views that make them a conservative are more generally inclined to see Putin for what he is.

I would call myself a conservative, but it's a descriptor, for me, not a lifestyle choice.
I never thought Putin was some benevolent upholder of traditional values, but at one point I really did believe he was a calculating chessmaster that actually did care about Russia in some way (that ended well before he launched Operation Bananarossa though). I agree that most of the rightoid Putin simps are mostly doing it out of pure tribalism; 'you're either against Ukraine, (or ''''neutral'''' with a decidedly pro-Russian slant because they can't bring themselves to openly support Putin) or you're with globohomo!' The more terminally online they are the more they just see the whole thing through an American culture war lens which is where you get the Qtard-adjacent thinking Russia invaded to destroy the Fauci biolabs and recover the secret hard drives full of Hunter Biden's dick pics. At the end of this spectrum you have the most demoralized terminally online actually believing the nonsense about him leading a crusade against globohomo (with the fucking Chinese, Saudis, Pakistanis, and a collection of obscure shitholes lmao). Same with the tankies and other dissident leftoids who never met a dictatorship they couldn't nuthug hard enough if they at least paid lip service to America hatred so this was a natural development.
 
Putin isn't against globohomo, he just wants his own globohomo.
I don't get why people can't understand this. If Putin was such a messiah or profit, why aren't people disenfranchised with the West fleeing in droves to live under his kingdom? It's almost like Russia is kind of a shithole, so much of a shithole every Euro state next to them can't stand them, but of wait that's every other country just being jealous of how cool Russia is.
 
Berlin and the revenge tour through Germany was understandable on a human level. The Germans had happily torched, raped, murdered, and demolished their way through Russia, executing tens of thousands of civilians. It was the revenge of a nation that had nearly been exterminated and suffered horrific losses. This? This is different. This is the Russians acting like the Nazis did, but even worse.

How do we know the Russians killed these people? Is there any evidence of this?

I'm sure Russian soldiers have killed unarmed civilians, it happens every time. Also, just like every time, in war your neighbors and even own military can be your worst enemy. Depends on the day and everybody's mood.

I'm going to chime in with WWII my and extended family stories. These will be different for place and time, but generally SS cleaned up the town, communists and jews were executed, but it was done by orders. After SS moved on and Wermaht regular occupied the town, you had a set of laws that you had to follow, but you would not be randomly shot. The military worked with local admins to keep the town running and producing whatever it was producing. Things have deteriorated toward the end of the war, but you still had some resemblance of justice where you could plead your case and discipline was maintained. At least in our experience rank and file soldiers weren't going nuts and some actually were OK and shared chocolate ration with local kids.

The "revenge raping" ... I still don't get it. In some accounts it took basically a medieval , sadistical level where even officers joined in gang rapes with their men, and in some cases it was on march, pulling retreating refugees off the road and getting their way with them in plain view of other units. Some of that shit is not only sadistic, but completely shits all over military order, turning soldiers and officers into a band of bandits.

Also, rapes were fairly common with Red Army, as in female soldiers (radio, assistants, medics) were routinely assaulted and a common practice was to get into "relationship" with some officer (the higher rank the better) or you'd be fair game for anyone. Post WWII, all female vets had a lot of stigma attached and labeled "PPZh" (tactical field wife) We rented an apartment of such woman and she had some stories.


In today's terms. I can see individuals going on raping/looting spree if there is no discipline in the units. It does look like it took industrial levels with commanders leading by example. Zhukov, had two or three trained loaded with loot sent back from WWII. It must be a Russian thing, I never came across US or UK vets shipping literally truckloads of shit, stupid shit like washing machines, fishing gear, TVs, blenders. There is a whole market in Belarus with Russian troops trying to cash out and to send some of the shit home.

Kidnapping, torture and killing of local admins has to come from above, because in typical Ukrainian town they are not the richest of residents. In Donbass, stores/warehouses/dealerships were looted,
most businessmen were kidnapped and tortured for ransom, but not so much the civic leadership, not to the extent now, relatively speaking. It feels like with every occupied town finding the admins is job #1 and I it seems like after two weeks since invasion it is only getting worse.

Exterminating all males, that makes little sense, unless it's some terror strategy.

It still brakes my head to understand how the fuck you'd take a child toy from the home you came with gun in your hands, to bring that toy to your own kid. That's just fucked up.
 
It still brakes my head to understand how the fuck you'd take a child toy from the home you came with gun in your hands, to bring that toy to your own kid. That's just fucked up.
The Russian people and their military have disgusted me on a personal level. A little bit of power leveling but I saw a lot of time in Afghanistan. I saw the Taliban do unethical things like make explosively formed penetrators with human medical waste glued on the caps to try to ensure any injured would die from infection or break the bones of their own kids in an attempt to gain access to our FOBs so they could sneak an explosive inside the wire. I saw how Afghans would torture aninals for fun and in the sight of Americans because they knew we didn't like seeing it. we hated them, but I never had the urge to take my frustrations on some Afghan kids and rape their mothers and rob them of their meager possessions. The fact that Russians can do such things and take pride in their actions makes me wish I was still young enough to take a gun to them myself. Fuck those people. I never thought I would dislike a group of people more than those Afghans but here we are.
 
Fucking nigger russians. I wonder how the Russian bootlicks are going to try to spin this one. How expected by the same group of people that think Kaitlyn and the rape of Berlin are funny jokes. If I was a Russian deployed in Ukraine right now I would kidnap the nearest commissioned officer and offer him to any nearby Ukrainian garrison to try to get clemency and a pass to get to Poland.
They'll pretend the Ukrainians are the real culprits because they are devoted to the belief that the Russians dindu nuffin.
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Tucker and the rest of the Trumpist crew have been thoroughly compromised by the Russians for years in terms of them being willing gullible dupes for them. Dems say Russia=BAD means Russia = GOOD to them.

Anyway, another article from Spegiel.
Most of those labeled Trumpists like Tucker are actually anti-Trump. It's why you don't have Trump showing up on Tucker's show even though he'll pop up for people's podcasts. It's also probably why Tucker doesn't get along with most people at Fox News these days.

One of the problems right wing media generally has is that it's commentary based, often just commenting on whatever they see left wing media writing about. So much of the time this means they end up just being contrarian regarding whatever they see left wing media arguing OR being focused on hot takes like you'd see on social media; since one of the measurements of success/popularity is just how many interactions you find you get on social media.

Everything to dumbed down a huge fucking deal since they don't do original reporting and they(Tucker sorts) obsess over their social media.
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Trump's been walking a fine line with Putin, and honestly has business interests and ties there that need to be investigated, same with asking the Russians for political favors multiple times. You'll never catch him saying a bad word about Putin without being really pressed on it, if anything he praises the dude like he's the second coming. It's a long pattern of behavior.
Trump has a habit of being nice about most people even when they don't deserve it. An old example of this is when Ted Cruz was implying Trump's wife a godless whore at rallies (he used nicer words), so in reaction Trump posted a picture of his wife juxtaposed against Cruz's making a goofy face. Could have tried playing the victim and call out what Cruz was doing, but instead treated the situation as a joke. Did annoy some of Cruz's fans in the media though since they felt it was horribly unfair to poke fun at Cruz's wife and they felt Melania is a godless whore.
 
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an interesting article about 30 soldiers equipped with night vision, thermals and drones could stop 40mi column by crossing terrain at night, dropping charges or detonating remote charges to take out head vehicles and cause traffic jams


I came across this by a way of another tube channel, adding up on stories that Chinese DJI does sniff data coms between drone and operator, and even if there are Chink high speed routers in the vicinity, it could pass video livestream.


A few more experiences from Ukrainians using DJI drones and getting shelled few minutes later.

Apparently DJI also sells Aeroscope: https://www.dji.com/aeroscope

it may be used by airports and law enforcement to locate, disable or down drones and Russian forces have these stations. And Chinese refused to sell these to Ukrainians under pretense of on-going conflict.


I'd say this. If you have anything Chink made, Echo or whatever video doorbells they make, it's a safe bet some chink in chinkland is pleasuring his tiny weiner listening to you banging your wife.
 
Russians keep winning:
All part of an elaborate plan mate. Putin really wasted those VDV men and T72/T80/T90s as fodder as a decoy. Honest. By the time the REAL attack happens Ukrainian defense forces will be so tired from pulling the triggers on their rifles they won't be able to take out the 24th wave of men.
 
Didn't Russia create the Globohomo in the first place?

That would be the commies ie the Bolsheviks. Putin's stance (and that of many Russians) is that the Soviet Union was brought about by outside forces as a way to destroy the Russian Empire, which is technically true since the Bolsheviks were financed by the German High Command specifically to undercut the Russian Imperial forces from within.

So here in the West we often instinctively think of the Soviet Union when we see Russia, but in Russia many people see communism as an outside ideology that was used to weaken Russia. And although it took decades to fully remove, many see Putin as the rightful heir to that original Russian ideology, much of which is very conservative and rooted in the Russian Orthodox Church.
 
That would be the commies ie the Bolsheviks. Putin's stance (and that of many Russians) is that the Soviet Union was brought about by outside forces as a way to destroy the Russian Empire, which is technically true since the Bolsheviks were financed by the German High Command specifically to undercut the Russian Imperial forces from within.

So here in the West we often instinctively think of the Soviet Union when we see Russia, but in Russia many people see communism as an outside ideology that was used to weaken Russia. And although it took decades to fully remove, many see Putin as the rightful heir to that original Russian ideology, much of which is very conservative and rooted in the Russian Orthodox Church.
The internal situation in Russia towards the end of the first world war was very complex and saying 'communism wasn't Russian' is ignoring quite a bit about the politics of post-Tsarist Russia.
 
That would be the commies ie the Bolsheviks. Putin's stance (and that of many Russians) is that the Soviet Union was brought about by outside forces as a way to destroy the Russian Empire, which is technically true since the Bolsheviks were financed by the German High Command specifically to undercut the Russian Imperial forces from within.
The Russian Empire already fell before the Germans and Lenin got involved. Germany only sent Lenin in because the provisional government, supported by the Petrograd Soviet, continued the war.

So here in the West we often instinctively think of the Soviet Union when we see Russia, but in Russia many people see communism as an outside ideology that was used to weaken Russia. And although it took decades to fully remove, many see Putin as the rightful heir to that original Russian ideology, much of which is very conservative and rooted in the Russian Orthodox Church.
The dude's a fucking KGB spook. And he openly speaks of the Soviet Union as a good thing, and that its destruction was a bad thing. He's no conservative; he's an old Communist using idiot right-wingers and a puppet church to make it appear like he's reformed.

If Putin was the heir to a conservative Russian order, he'd make himself Tsar, ban abortion and curtail alcohol abuse, and focus on healing his nation's social and fiscal wounds, which is what Jesus would want you to do. He'd also build friendly relations with America and the West, since the Tsars have long been allied to one western power or another, be it the British Empire, the French Republic, or the United States of America, the latter of which they supported during the American Civil War while the Brits and French were debating whether or not to join the South.

The Tsarist Russia of old cooperated with the Concert of Europe, which is basically the old-world precursor to the modern EU. They even retook Hungary for the Austrian Emperor when a revolt there threatened to cause more French Revolution-style riots elsewhere. That, and several Tsars from Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, and Nicholas II tried to modernize Russia and make it more like the West. If the old Tsars were in charge, they'd cooperate with NATO and the Americans, and instead put pressure on nations like China. Which, back in the day, Tsarist Russia was allied with other western powers in crushing the Boxer Rebellion. They would totally join the West in protesting against Communist influence.
 
I still can't get over the Russians almost universally identifying their vehicles with fucking white spray paint.

I think they really did just drive that shit right out of some USSR bunker, slap some green paint over the old Soviet Union identifiers, and throw it on a train to Ukieland.

But once it got there, they realized they had no way to not friendly-fire each other, so they busted out the dollar store spraypaint cans.

The Russian Flag is literally 3 horizontal stripes. White-Blue-Red. But apparently that's too difficult for them to take 5 minutes to paint on.


These 'Z' tanks are seriously making them look like some sort of backwater militia group with salvaged tanks, not a "Modern Military Force"
 
I still can't get over the Russians almost universally identifying their vehicles with fucking white spray paint.

I think they really did just drive that shit right out of some USSR bunker, slap some green paint over the old Soviet Union identifiers, and throw it on a train to Ukieland.

But once it got there, they realized they had no way to not friendly-fire each other, so they busted out the dollar store spraypaint cans.

The Russian Flag is literally 3 horizontal stripes. White-Blue-Red. But apparently that's too difficult for them to take 5 minutes to paint on.


These 'Z' tanks are seriously making them look like some sort of backwater militia group with salvaged tanks, not a "Modern Military Force"
The Russian tactical markings are a longstanding practice. They did it in Donbas 2014, with white bands on vehicles. They did it in Berlin 1945, with white bands on turrets and white crosses on turret roofs. In situations of urban warfare and air-ground cooperation, they need very clear and visible recognition markings.

If they didn't use white paint, it would buck the trend at this point.
 
The Russian tactical markings are a longstanding practice. They did it in Donbas 2014, with white bands on vehicles. They did it in Berlin 1945, with white bands on turrets and white crosses on turret roofs. In situations of urban warfare and air-ground cooperation, they need very clear and visible recognition markings.

If they didn't use white paint, it would buck the trend at this point.
I don't fault them for using the tactical markings. It's the fact that most of them are half-assedly spraypainted on.

There's a big difference between Stalins guys neatly, cleanly, and somewhat symmetrically painting or stenciling markings on tanks...and Putins circus clowns free-hand spraypainting giant letters asymmetrically on the sides of every vehicle.

It's unprofessional as hell and is good evidence of how poorly maintained the vehicles were and how stupidly rushed the entire offensive was.

It looks like the shit some warlord in Africa would to do mark his USSR junkyard-sale Zimbabwe tanks apart from his rivals USSR scrapyard-auction Congo tanks.
 
Russia's TikTok regiment arrived with humanitarian aid: https://t.me/nexta_live/24356?single

Except it's looted from Ukrainian supplies, possibly their own humanitarian convoys that were intercepted by Russians. Writings on the packaging are in Ukrainian/of Ukrainian manufacturers.

This one speaks for itself : https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510333131320090633

There's been reports of rape by russian soldiers, some even bragged about it in the intercepted calls, as someone from Kiev told me. You don't have to tell me, with all the other shit they are doing, it's par for the course.
This fills me with all kinds of feelings, and none of them are good.

Berlin and the revenge tour through Germany was understandable on a human level. The Germans had happily torched, raped, murdered, and demolished their way through Russia, executing tens of thousands of civilians. It was the revenge of a nation that had nearly been exterminated and suffered horrific losses. This? This is different. This is the Russians acting like the Nazis did, but even worse.

What Russia did in WWII was wholly unjustifiable. They committed the worst acts of mass war rape in the history of war fare. They raped tens of millions. And it wasn't just Germans. They raped any woman they could get their hands on; Poles, Ukrainians, even Russian POWs. They raped every woman from 9 to 90, in many cases gang raping them, with 20 men or more. They were animals, and no amount of German atrocities could ever justify it. The French didn't rape every German they came across, despite having had their whole nation occupied by them. In many cases, the mass rape that's going on now just shows that the Russians haven't changed since WWII. They were animals then, and they are animals now, and wild animals that show themselves to be dangerous tend to get put down. I used to feel bad about the young guys conscripted in this war. Now? Fuck'em.

In even more depressing news: more articles on Russian atrocities (they used children as human shields):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ays-zelenskiy-us-gives-kyiv-300m-more-in-live

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ad-ukrainians-tell-of-russian-army-atrocities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports
 
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