Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

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  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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@Chandelier (reply bug, it bugs me)

No I'm talking about the civilian looking murdered people in Ukrainian controlled areas. War doesn't bring out the worst in just soldiers.

Yes, that's why those planes require a dedicated and trained crew to service those payload configs as well as the Pratt and Whitney engines. We sell those fighters, but we don't sell other countries the same ones we use, with the same electronics and capabilities. And they aren't idiot proof either.

What guys like MacGregor are saying Russia can a do a Desert Storm if they wanted, the GWOT generals are assuming a long pacification and extended occupation. Both may be right about some things, wrong about others.

16 year old girls are in the realm of hebephilia and 16 was legal in the US until very recently. Stop trying to make him out to be a baby rapist. What is important is that's he's a Middle Eastern expert, not a Russian one.
Well from what I've found, the conviction was for him having a lewd RP with a detective posing as a 15yo girl. Granted that's not nearly as bad as some of the shit you see these days, but that's still pretty bad.

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On the same note though, the conversation he had was very much borderline entrapment.
 
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Russia can certainly refine enough fuel to keep its tanks in the field, but not its civilian cars and certainly not its aircraft. Attack Helicopters and Modern Jets burn through shit tons of highly refined product that Russia does not produce independently in the quantities required. They only had enough fuel to sustain air operations at full capacity for 7 days. Which they burned through even faster then that. Its why Ukraine can still fly its own attack helicopters and jets despite being numerically outnumbered by the Russian Air Force.

I said on day 1, all Ukraine had to do to win was blow up the Fuel Tankers.
Wait, so the Russians have been out of jet fuel for like a month now? Have you let the pilots, who continue to fly hundreds of missions daily, know? Also, could you forward your intel to the UK MoD, who cites Ukrainian anti-air defense as what's been keeping Russia from maintaining total air superiority, and let them know that it's actually because the Russian planes have no fuel?
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Relatedly, depending on who's counting today marks either the third or fourth time the Russian army is supposed to have run out of ammo, food, and supplies. I look forward to reading about a total Ukrainian victory 24 hours from now.
 
Well from what I've found, the conviction was for him having a lewd RP with a detective posing as a 15yo girl. Granted that's not nearly as bad as some of the shit you see these days, but that's still pretty bad.
The fact it happened more than once is especially telling tbh. Idc if it used to be legal or not, grown ass adults shouldn't be trying to fuck minors.
FAL was a better battle rifle. The take down for the G3 is unnecessarily German.
Don't even get me started on the hk style sights. I fucking own one, and cleaning it is the absolute worst.
 
There is refined oil, and there is the stuff you can put in your car. My daydreams are fine. The simple truth is Russia's refineries are designed to produce 1950's grade Mazut. Good enough to put in a soviet shitbox. Not good enough to put in a modern MIG fighter. The Fuel that Europeans put in their cars comes from Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia and the United States. Not Russia. The Fuel from Russia is solely used for powering electrical plants and providing heating and cooking gas. Or base product that is refined domestically to supplement imports from North America and the Middle East.

Russia's domestic refining capacity is fine for peace time needs, but not for the war time tempo. There is also a serious issue in that Russia has no way to transport the refined product it IS capable of producing to where its needed. That is another issue separate to their capacity limits. Ukraine has made fuel tankers the primary target of their partisan forces. Russia is running out of transport capacity that can move the refined product to where its needed. Further hindering their capacity,

Russia exports refined petrol and diesel to muh advanced emissions conscious Euro market and its refineries operate under capacity. The idea that it can't transport the fuel is so retarded as to be laughable, if one thing has been shown by this war it's the Russia has no shortage of trucks.


Seriously dude learn 2 google
 
Wait, so the Russians have been out of jet fuel for like a month now? Have you let the pilots, who continue to fly hundreds of missions daily, know?
they are flying low grade and chinese imports. both bad for longevity.

Also, could you forward your intel to the UK MoD, who cites Ukrainian anti-air defense as what's been keeping Russia from maintaining air superiority, and let them know that it's actually because the planes have no fuel?
Uk like in britbong or like in subslavs? both cant be trusted at all.

Relatedly, depending on who's counting today marks either the third or fourth time the Russian army is supposed to have run out of ammo, food, and supplies. I look forward to reading about a total Ukrainian victory 24 hours from now.
who ever said that? some globohomo agents... russia has run out of some rockets, you can see that from their shift in bombardment.
quality of food and supplies went down, but no country has good stuff for more than a couple of weeks anymore.
 
There is refined oil, and there is the stuff you can put in your car. My daydreams are fine. The simple truth is Russia's refineries are designed to produce 1950's grade Mazut. Good enough to put in a soviet shitbox. Not good enough to put in a modern MIG fighter. The Fuel that Europeans put in their cars comes from Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia and the United States. Not Russia. The Fuel from Russia is solely used for powering electrical plants and providing heating and cooking gas. Or base product that is refined domestically to supplement imports from North America and the Middle East.

Russia's domestic refining capacity is fine for peace time needs, but not for the war time tempo. There is also a serious issue in that Russia has no way to transport the refined product it IS capable of producing to where its needed. That is another issue separate to their capacity limits. Ukraine has made fuel tankers the primary target of their partisan forces. Russia is running out of transport capacity that can move the refined product to where its needed. Further hindering their capacity,
You understand jet fuel is simply high octane kerosene, with various additives depending on the plane, right?
 
No healthy society would tolerate this KGB-LARPing, cab-driving, war-mongering dwarf.

Right. Because healthy society would only tolerate pants crapping, diaper wearing, nonsense babbling, paedophilic, dementia ridden retard like Biden.

I don't know, i kinda like Putin, he might be evil but at least he's smart. And i prefer Russians to Nazi Ukrainians who are only famous for being the biggest producer of child porn in the world.
 
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Yes, and?
And its easy to refine. From not just petroleum but coal as well.

eta: The USA was, and is still an oil producing nation how can you not know about kerosene? People still use it for heating and they sell it for race cars right now in the USA You can even get it at certain gas stations..
 
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Russia exports refined petrol and diesel to muh advanced emissions conscious Euro market and its refineries operate under capacity. The idea that it can't transport the fuel is so retarded as to be laughable, if one thing has been shown by this war it's the Russia has no shortage of trucks.


Seriously dude learn 2 google
Guess we have to file this under the "we shall see" folder. Russia's ability to keep its field units fueled is a major failure point from what I am seeing. The fact they were desperately trying to build a pipeline into northern Ukraine (before abandoning it) says alot.

And its easy to refine. From not just petroleum but coal as well.
And Razor Blades are easy to machine, but its not so easy to turn an entire production line dedicated to making knives into making razor blades. Industrial production is not some widget you can just flip a switch on. Russia CAN start producing what it needs for this war. In the next 6 months to a year. The problem is it needs this production NOW.
 
Why do you think Russia has trouble refining its petroleum?
It's actually quite an involved process, especially with modern conventional crude sources. 100 years ago, the easy-to-get-to crude was light and thus easy to refine. What's left in conventional wells tends to be pretty heavy and require a pretty robust capital and logistical structure to operate.

Even in places that have advanced refining capabilities like the US, we often see that gasoline prices continue to stay high even when oil itself drops in price. Refining is fairly complicated and capacity is often out of sync with supply and demand. Refining especially makes use of economies of scale so demand shocks can actually harm output for a long time.

Have an article friend.
 
It's actually quite an involved process, especially with modern conventional crude sources. 100 years ago, the easy-to-get-to crude was light and thus easy to refine. What's left in conventional wells tends to be pretty heavy and require a pretty robust capital and logistical structure to operate.

Even in places that have advanced refining capabilities like the US, we often see that gasoline prices continue to stay high even when oil itself drops in price. Refining is fairly complicated and capacity is often out of sync with supply and demand. Refining especially makes use of economies of scale so demand shocks can actually harm output for a long time.

Have an article friend.
I understand Russia has a lot of sweet crude as well as sour. Are you telling me Russia does not have refineries? Nigga even we still have refineries in the US. The problem regarding pricing in the US is availability. President Potato has shut off our pipelines on purpose.
 
Wait, so the Russians have been out of jet fuel for like a month now? Have you let the pilots, who continue to fly hundreds of missions daily, know? Also, could you forward your intel to the UK MoD, who cites Ukrainian anti-air defense as what's been keeping Russia from maintaining total air superiority, and let them know that it's actually because the Russian planes have no fuel?
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Relatedly, depending on who's counting today marks either the third or fourth time the Russian army is supposed to have run out of ammo, food, and supplies. I look forward to reading about a total Ukrainian victory 24 hours from now.
I mean, it's incredible what nations can do in an emergency to scrounge for resources.
In the spring of 1945 Germany was officially out of fuel. There was no import, the reserves were empty. And yet they still sent jets up into the air until the very last day. For example an entire airwing with multiple Me262s under Hans-Ulrich Rudel flying westwards to land at an US airfield to avoid the Soviets.

But no fuel reserves means rationing. Scrounging for fuel. In 1945 there are numerous stories of the Luftwaffe taking fuel from grounded civilian aircraft, relying on inefficient production of substitute fuels. Scavenging whatever allied equipment they could get their hands on. Flying with so little fuel that most of the return trip is a glide.

So when they say that they're running out it doesn't mean that every drop is gone. But that supply is either limited or nonexistent, and that they will likely have to start rationing and Scavenging for fuel, limiting their capability in the air
 
Russia is the world's 3rd biggest country in terms of refining capacity after the US and China.

And? Demand shocks can absolutely wreck refining capacity. This isn't something you build once and have forever. It requires pretty much constant maintenance and financing or it rapidly degrades.

If you're sitting on millions of gallons of refined gasoline that you expected to sell but now can't, you can't suddenly ramp up jet fuel production. There's nowhere for it to go. And gasoline doesn't keep indefinitely either. So now you're facing a financing problem (unsold product) in addition to a storage problem.

Russia has to solve a deep problem of economics. And that's neither fast nor easy. Something else they should have planned for when launching an invasion of Europe's second largest country.

I understand Russia has a lot of sweet crude as well as sour. Are you telling me Russia does not have refineries? Nigga even we still have refineries in the US.
Yes, and we saw what even a mild demand shock in the form of coof did to US refining capacity.
 
The fact it happened more than once is especially telling tbh. Idc if it used to be legal or not, grown ass adults shouldn't be trying to fuck minors.

Don't even get me started on the hk style sights. I fucking own one, and cleaning it is the absolute worst.
>grown ass adults shouldn't be trying to fuck minors
Agree on this part.
>The fact it happened more than once
Not so much on this part. He was ultimately only convicted once. There are some good prosecutors out there who want to do the right thing, but there are a lot who will lose a case and then go full autismo in order to get whoever they lost against convicted in some other case. That might not have been what happened here, but it is something to keep in mind. After Ruby Ridge, despite the feds basically murdering Randy Weaver's entire family, he was found not guilty on all charges but still convicted on the failure to appear charge which initiated the warrant. The moral of the story is that prosecutors can be vindictive sobs on a good day, but can turn outright murderous when other politics are involved.

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What really were the odds of him running into honey pots multiple times back when the internet was still the wild west?
 
Yes, and we saw what even a mild demand shock in the form of coof did to US refining capacity.
The US isn't dry, not by a long shot and not for maybe a couple of centuries, the issue is the refusal of these grifters to pump/blast it out so that we can go broke buying their worthless green energy crap from the Chinese companies they've invested in.
 
I understand Russia has a lot of sweet crude as well as sour. Are you telling me Russia does not have refineries? Nigga even we still have refineries in the US. The problem regarding pricing in the US is availability. President Potato has shut off our pipelines on purpose.
I am saying they don't have the right KIND of refineries, nor do they have the transportation capacity to move the refined product to where its needed. Russia does not make enough aviation fuel for what it needs. It also does not have enough over land transport capacity to move vehicle fuel from the refineries to the front. let alone to civilian gas stations. Russia's fuel refining economy is designed solely for export, not for supporting war time tempo domestically.
 
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