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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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And that's why I don't trust the far right when they tell us to stay out of the Ukraine/Russia war.

It sounds so much like those weenies back in the early 2000s and the Vietnam War who were one step away from being apologists for the enemy.

Modern Russia is no better than Saddam or the Viet Cong. In many ways, they're even worse. Especially once you see how Russians live and how they're conditioned to be slaves to the state, especially in the army where conscripts are raped and tortured (dedovschchina) into being loyal patsies of the state.

It's basically a real-world equivalent of Mordor.
There's a reason the Ukrainians call the Russians 'Orcs.'
 
And they're right about that in more ways than one.

Looking at all the Russian deserters, the new Russian military anthem should be "Where there's a whip, there's a way!"

Damn you, sir. I was just coming here to provide some suitable music.


Although in all seriousness, it's darkly amusing to see what the actual state of Russia has been reduced to. I mean, they still have nukes, unfortunately, but I was raised in an era where people actually talked credulously about a USSR invasion of the US as a thing that could potentially happen. Now Russia is struggling with a country a fraction of their size literally right next door.
 
This is late, but a lot of the issues Zhokov had with losing men can be traced back to Stalin always hounding his ass to move forward and attack. The man wasn't a heartless bastard, There are story's of him doing right by his troops. He simply did not have the luxury to take his time in engaging the enemy. In some ways he reminds me of the struggles General Grant faced.

Zhukov wasn't an idiot, a very bright character and he WAS Stalin's firefighter for shit situations. The only person who reportedly hang up phone on Stalin and lived. He was popular with troops because he won and that was his downfall, Stalin was too afraid of his popularity.

He is attributed to two quotes, still ethos of Russian army:

"... don't spare any soldiers!"

"women will birth more!"


More evidence of brother nation. Russian troops broke into storage but could not figure out what to do with wheat, so they just cut the bags and dumped them all out, because ... why not

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OryxSpionKop has stated that Russia is visually confirmed to have lost 400 tanks - probably 450 if you include his backlog. I have been unable to see what their initial invasion force had in terms of total number of tanks - let me know if there are solid estimates floating about. However, given Russia invaded with 120 BTGs - has added a few hear or there, let's call it 125 - and each of those is established to have 10 tanks, that would suggest around 1250. However, it is unlikely they are at 100% of their established strength, so that could be around 800-1000 in reality. Now, it's hard to get to grips with what their non-BTG forces have in terms of tanks - maybe none - but however you look at it, that 450 as a minimum of losses would suggest Russia is fucked in terms of their tanks. My guess is that Russia has lost between 1 in 3 and 1 in 2 of their tanks.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
The full article for people. According to OryxSpioenKop 40% or so of all Russian losses have been to capture.
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Noting the confirmed Russian losses via Oryx Spion Kop, the original strength of Russia's invasion, and the fact that even this - allegedly - elite formation was approximately starting out about 25% below it's established strength.

This is normal, established strengths are almost never achievable.

Point is, this would mean that the Russians are already on their arses in terms of lost fighting power.
75% isn't normal. You want to try for a baseline of 80, 85%, since that means you can push it up to 100% (or as close as you can) a lot easier once the balloon goes up. The fact they weren't even close to that 100% level you want for initial operations is terrible.
And that's why I don't trust the far right when they tell us to stay out of the Ukraine/Russia war.

It sounds so much like those weenies back in the early 2000s and the Vietnam War who were one step away from being apologists for the enemy.

Modern Russia is no better than Saddam or the Viet Cong. In many ways, they're even worse. Especially once you see how Russians live and how they're conditioned to be slaves to the state, especially in the army where conscripts are raped and tortured (dedovschchina) into being loyal patsies of the state.

It's basically a real-world equivalent of Mordor.
Given what a disaster Biden and the US leadership is like, I'm sure you can understand me wanting the USA to not stick its dick in there, right? Not that I'm opposed to sending shit over, quite the opposite, but after 20 years of failure and even more failure to cap it off, any war enthusiasm I had on behalf of the USA is gone.
 
Given what a disaster Biden and the US leadership is like, I'm sure you can understand me wanting the USA to not stick its dick in there, right? Not that I'm opposed to sending shit over, quite the opposite, but after 20 years of failure and even more failure to cap it off, any war enthusiasm I had on behalf of the USA is gone.
For me, it's what we did after the war which was bad. Imposing American-style democracy on people who haven't even gone through a medieval phase was our mistake, when what we should have done is draw borders within Afghanistan and Iraq based on ethnic and religious lines, let them elect their own leaders for each group, govern themselves by their own laws, while we slowly slip in western influence and culture bit by bit, instead of just trying to turn them into Arab versions of America.

I was proud to support the troops and the wars in the early 2000s. It was the incompetence of the leaders who didn't know what to do with their victory that caused the war to be lost.

Curious to see how big Orbán wins in Hungary, considering he is very vocally anti-tranny/anti-Ukraine.
Which again, they're allowed to vote that way. Meanwhile, prior to the overthrow of the pro-Russian government in Ukraine, protesters were being shot for wanting their government to join NATO/EU.
 
Curious to see how big Orbán wins in Hungary, considering he is very vocally anti-tranny/anti-Ukraine.

he is pro-Putin because they literally pay 1/5th of what the rest of EU pays for gas ... and actually they don't even pay because Putin gave them 2 billion credit or some other large handout.

Every whore has her price, Orban is a pretty expensive whore, but good for them, if that works, while it works.


This lolcow Lieutenant General Shamanov:

He claims that rumors about Russian soldiers getting radiation sickness are fake because during WWII, there were a lot of partisan/guerilla groups who fought in those forests, and they were ok!

I guess, he doesn't know that Chernobyl was in '86 and WWII ended in '45 ... but whatever, I am not a lieutenant general, what the fuck do I know?

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This lolcow Lieutenant General Shamanov:

He claims that rumors about Russian soldiers getting radiation sickness are fake because during WWII, there were a lot of partisan/guerilla groups who fought in those forests, and they were ok!

I guess, he doesn't know that Chernobyl was in '86 and WWII ended in '45 ... but whatever, I am not a lieutenant general, what the fuck do I know?
Someone's the model of modern major general. No wonder he got a promotion to LG.
For me, it's what we did after the war which was bad. Imposing American-style democracy on people who haven't even gone through a medieval phase was our mistake, when what we should have done is draw borders within Afghanistan and Iraq based on ethnic and religious lines, let them elect their own leaders for each group, govern themselves by their own laws, while we slowly slip in western influence and culture bit by bit, instead of just trying to turn them into Arab versions of America.

I was proud to support the troops and the wars in the early 2000s. It was the incompetence of the leaders who didn't know what to do with their victory that caused the war to be lost.
By war I meant the whole 20 years of irregular conflict we dealt with. Even if we had just let things develop more naturally over time we still would have been bleeding and dying to keep the violence to a minimum.
 
Curious to see how big Orbán wins in Hungary, considering he is very vocally anti-tranny/anti-Ukraine.
Talk about a Mixed Message Campaign. Is there an Anti-Troon, Pro-Uke option?

And I can't wait to see what it will be like when John Deer starts marketing themselves as the "Greatest Military Vehicles Ever Made!"
 
By war I meant the whole 20 years of irregular conflict we dealt with. Even if we had just let things develop more naturally over time we still would have been bleeding and dying to keep the violence to a minimum.
Most of the bleeding and dying was due to the fact that we tried to impose western democracy right away instead of introducing it slow by slow, as well as trying to keep disparate bands of religious and ethnic groups together in an artificial state.
 
Since we're talking about Orban, apparently he declared Zelensky to be one of the "enemies" he defeated in his election

(CNN) -Hungary's authoritarian leader and longtime Russian ally, Viktor Orban, has declared victory in the country's parliamentary elections, clinching a fourth consecutive term in power.

Orban's Fidesz party had a commanding lead with 71% of the votes counted, Hungary's national elections board said on Sunday evening.
The election campaign was dominated by Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, which put Orban's lengthy association with Russian President Vladimir Putin under scrutiny. In his victory speech, Orban called Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky one of the "opponents" he had to overcome during the campaign.

Hungary is heavily reliant on Russian energy and Orban has dodged opportunities to condemn Putin's assault on its neighboring state, complicating the EU's efforts to present a united front against him.

But despite opinion polls forecasting a tighter race, Orban's Fidesz party won comfortably across much of the country. Opposition leader Peter Marki-Zay even failed to win in his own district, where he had served as mayor.

"We have such a victory it can be seen from the moon, but it's sure that it can be seen from Brussels," Orban said in his speech on Sunday night, making light of his government's long-running tensions with EU leaders...

Here's the rest of the article if you want to read on

Based Hungary being absolutely useless and a deadweight for the western camp
 
Most of the bleeding and dying was due to the fact that we tried to impose western democracy right away instead of introducing it slow by slow, as well as trying to keep disparate bands of religious and ethnic groups together in an artificial state.
I don't really care at this point? Just let the crapholes keep existing with no more US blood being shed for them.
 
Fuck off Russian simp. You don't give a shit about your own country or NATO this is a 100 because you are a Russian cock-holster who is fully for the rape of Children so fuck off with this shit about "me taxes!!!, me traanies, my globohomo" it is all bullshit.

Shot dogs. Killed women. Girls under 10 with torn vaginas. Irpin, Bucha, Dmitrievka.
This is what you support.

Emotions! Emotions! Why won't you believe the people who always lie!!!!!!!!!!11111111111
 
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