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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I did think weeks ago that the Russian encirclement of Kiev could be a feint to close the cauldron in the East (I thought it was a possibility, mind you and the retreat from Kiev has shown that any attempts to call it the real plan from the start are pure copium). This is definitely looking like the end of the Winter War where the Soviets after coping and seething profusely about their humiliation early on managed to wrangle enough of their retard strength to break through to Karelia and save some face. Mariupol will probably fall soon (it's insane that it hasn't already) because that's the bare minimum Russia needs to be able to claim victory and denazification.
Ukraine doesn't want to give them anything at this point, so I'm not sure if they're going to just stop even if Russia decides to just be content with that.
More so as more atrocities by Russians are uncovered.

I dunno how feasible that is, especially if Russia mobilizes, but it would come at the great cost for them too. Prolonged conflict is just bad for everyone involved. One thing is clear, genuine peace is out of the question.
 
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Ukraine doesn't want to give them anything at this point, so I'm not sure if they're going to just stop even if Russia decides to just be content with that.
More so as more atrocities by Russians are uncovered.

I dunno how feasible that is, especially if Russia mobilizes, but it would come at the great cost for them too. Prolonged conflict is just bad for everyone involved. One thing is clear, genuine peace is out of the question.
If Russia mobilized, it's fucking over. Just flat out, fucking over. You don't mobilize when you're winning a conflict like they've been saying, and the Russian economy is already unsteady. It would collapse it.
 
If Russia mobilized, it's fucking over. Just flat out, fucking over. You don't mobilize when you're winning a conflict like they've been saying, and the Russian economy is already unsteady. It would collapse it.
Full-retard wartime economy is one of the scenarios I've seen thrown around.
 
STARSTREAK was made as lethal as possible with some half decent specs behind it which the british officer class somehow didn't constantly fuck with (One of the reasons our navy is so in the shit at points right now is because the Admiralty constantly has a case of the shinies and demands additions to vessels instead of just accepting, then modifying vessels later on).

If the UK can get the harpoons out there it'd be another nice real-life weapons test to see what they would've been actually capable of.

If anything its been a great thing for the UK MoD as its going to cause Based Ben Wallace (the now increasingly popular defence minister) to push for proper rearming of britain after he's helped clear out the stocks of all the old crap we had lying about. Dude was a former army captain too, so knows what could do with fucking off and replacing.
The Harpoon is battle tested as far as I am aware, the U.S. Navy used it against the Iranians some decades back and it was very successful in turning ships into scrap heaps!

But precisely, this was is horrific but it has been a major source of direct intel from the field performance of many, many weapons. It doesn't get much better than seeing your weapons live against the enemy forces in a shooting war!
Ukraine doesn't want to give them anything at this point, so I'm not sure if they're going to just stop even if Russia decides to just be content with that.
More so as more atrocities by Russians are uncovered.

I dunno how feasible that is, especially if Russia mobilizes, but it would come at the great cost for them too. Prolonged conflict is just bad for everyone involved. One thing is clear, genuine peace is out of the question.
Precisely, and one important thing is that the sanctions haven't really kicked in yet. This war is already unsustainable for Russia, to the point people were skeptical that they would really invade precisely because it would be a colossally stupid idea on paper. The consensus was pretty much that the Ukrainian Army isn't the mess it was in 2014 and that any conflict of the sort would inevitably drag them into a very bloody war of attrition and resistance where the only winning hand is not to play it. As we can see, they were actually wrong by underestimating the Ukrainian performance. They are pumping up the propaganda to try and stir up morale, but as news of their war crimes become more and more prominent they will be stuck fighting up a force with even more resolve to simply kill every enemy they see. It will be fucked up, but Putin did this to himself by proving that he can't be trusted and by doing what is absolutely the worst fucking move he could do in his position!
 
If Russia mobilized, it's fucking over. Just flat out, fucking over. You don't mobilize when you're winning a conflict like they've been saying, and the Russian economy is already unsteady. It would collapse it.

Full-retard wartime economy is one of the scenarios I've seen thrown around.
It would be one way to paper over the massive unemployment spike that is about to hit.
 
All this talk of bucha massacres and yet no video and very few pics, and the vatniks use to record all the degenerate nasty shit they do so its even weirder
Envy is part of their national identity, and they confuse it with pride. So their method of staying superior to others is dragging them down to their level and then stomping them into the mud.
Ukraine I remember is neat and clean, because they actually care.
Ironically, Russians generally don't regard space outside of their apartment/house as their home and don't mind shitting it up. Every day I pass under the windows where people throw out cigarette butts after finishing smoking, so in the spring as snow retreats there's a harvest of cigarette butts, thousands of them. They litter a lot, very selfish people.

I honestly believe that that's something that communism does to people's way of thinking if they've been under it's influence for too long. Anything outside of one's area of direct control (which is essentially limited to their dwelling) is considered communal, it belongs to everyone and thus, to no one, so nobody gives a shit.
That happens in other countries too, like for example in my country you're expected to pay taxes to keep the roads clean an maintained but then you're expected to build and maintain your part of the sidewalk in front of your house, but at the same time laws against for example people letting their dogs shit on your sidewalk are rarely enforced, and trees which its roots can destroy your sidewalk are technically state property so you cant cut it down

Result? sidewalks dont match, are filthy and all broken up, because why bother? the gov is already bleeding you dry with taxes so everybody is like "fuck sidewalks"
You do know that majority of Russian oligarchs fled to Israel which still doesn't condemn Russia? You know that country that everyone is so convinced is the dead center of the globohomo shit being funded? Has it crossed your mind that what Putin is doing is playing right into the globohomo shit?

If you want to simp for anti-globohomo then simp for fundamentalist muslim states, there being anti globohomo is explicit, it's codified in law and religion, in Russia it's all just buzzword salad prepared exactly for people like you because beyond propaganda, Russia is a shithole where all the shit western right wingers complain about also happens, it's just kept on the down low, under the surface, like it used to in the west, not explicitly illegal, not explicitly condemned, it's just not talked about.

Fucking Taliban is closer to providing what you people are asking for than Russia, they also get a bonus for humiliating America directly.

Hell even Putin himself said he doesn't mind the LGBT Russians, just as long as they support his side in one of his shizo rants about traitors.
Yeah but taliban all are brown and smelly and ugly, while russia has muh based blond blue eyed qt3.14 trad gf who has aids from fucking without a condom since she was 12, will leave you for a hairy arab that buys her shit and her arm its already falling off due to all the krokodil she's injecting there
How useful is a dictator whose "army" rapes and kills 10 y.o. girls?
Well thats new, source?
 
If Russia mobilized, it's fucking over. Just flat out, fucking over. You don't mobilize when you're winning a conflict like they've been saying, and the Russian economy is already unsteady. It would collapse it.
During WWI, Germany's propaganda was so effective, the moment reality hit the German that they were losing this whole time, they immediately believe the Betrayal of the Jews theory

During Falkland War, the Argentinian Junta made extensive propaganda that they were winning so much, the moment they lost the war the population immediately went in rage and deposed the Junta

There are historical precedents of the very same situation. The moment Russia is forced to mobilized, that's the moment the Russian population realized the government have been lying to them about what Putin and Kremlin refuse to call the war
 
During Falkland War, the Argentinian Junta made extensive propaganda that they were winning so much, the moment they lost the war the population immediately went in rage and deposed the Junta

To be fair, at sea, it was a very close fight. The Argies sank a couple of capital warships, damaged more...it was just sheer luck that MV Atlantic Conveyor got the Exocet and not the HMS Ark Royal. If the Brits had lost that carrier...I just don't see them pulling out the W.

I'm sorry, I digress, back to Ukraine.
 
All this talk of bucha massacres and yet no video and very few pics, and the vatniks use to record all the degenerate nasty shit they do so its even weirder

Does this count: https://t.me/voenacher/14106

*edit - I've been informed these are Ukrainians doing the massacre-ing, I don't speak Slav so I dunno...
 
To be fair, at sea, it was a very close fight. The Argies sank a couple of capital warships, damaged more...it was just sheer luck that MV Atlantic Conveyor got the Exocet and not the HMS Ark Royal. If the Brits had lost that carrier...I just don't see them pulling out the W.

I'm sorry, I digress, back to Ukraine.
Reagan famously had paperwork, ships title and bills of sale drawn up and on Thatcher's desk selling the Brit's the USS Iwo Jima and possibly one of her sister ships, in the event Hermes or Invincable were lost. Complete with US version Sea Harriers, and a crew of "contractors" ie Retired US Navy to assist in operating the vessels. For the bargain rate of $1 each. Reagan had originally offered the USS Midway. A full deck carrier. But the Brit crews would take too long to relearn catapult and arrestor operations.

And this isn't the first time the US and UK swapped ships like this. There is the mysterious USS Robin. In late '42 early '43 when the Enterprise was damaged leaving just Saratoga in the Pacific, HMS Indefatigable became USS Robin.

It's actually somewhat happened again as HMS Queen Elizabeth entered operational service with a US Marine squadron embarked.
 
The Argie junta are the most responsible for the Thatcher era, after Thatcher herself. Prior to this her premiership was distinctly shaky, but this gave her no end of legitimacy. A slight and strained analogy is that Zelinskiy won't have worry too about his political standing, although the old somewhat Russo-phile opposition is far more kaput, but that alignment probably vanished after the Donbass hybrid war. Michael Foot didn't do too well, but got some capable new MPs like a certain Tony Blair.
 
New shipment of tank-shaped scrap metal to Ukraine from Russia
I am sure Ukrainians are shaking in their boots 13 tanks that have probably just got out of storage and run like shit.

Also, let's just appreciate the inefficiency of this - you have to use almost an entire train to ship these things into Ukraine, whereas a small cars worth of fancy Western shoulder launched rockets will turn them into slag metal and evaporate their crews.

Also peep the SS symbol on the DPR fella. Looks like he really hates Nazis...
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New York Times article on the bodies. Plenty were on the street for weeks.
No bro, these Ukrainians were shot by their own soldiers not the friendly Russian liberators. Do you not see the white armbands bro?!

...yes obviously Russians would leave civilians behind to be killed by Ukrainians as they retreat.

Well what do you expect, you armed civilians so obviously that means that Russian soldiers are justified in executing people who are restrained, torturing teenagers to death and rounding up and murdering all fighting age males!!

- what Russoboos actually "think".
 
The Nazi thing was probably the most laughable bit of Russian propaganda. The survival of Mariupol suggests that despite a greater than 10 to one margin now, the Donbass militias, Russian Army and Chechens are pitiful in comparison to the Azov Battalion, the nearest to actual Nazis. Maybe that DPR soldier just wants some Avoz power charms.
 
The Nazi thing was probably the most laughable bit of Russian propaganda. The survival of Mariupol suggests that despite a greater than 10 to one margin now, the Donbass militias, Russian Army and Chechens are pitiful in comparison to the Azov Battalion, the nearest to actual Nazis. Maybe that DPR soldier just wants some Avoz power charms.
Makes me laugh, the vast majority of people kvetching about Azov Battalion being Nazis are people who are the sort of fringe rightoid weirdos who post shit about Hitler under 8 layers of irony.
 
During WWI, Germany's propaganda was so effective, the moment reality hit the German that they were losing this whole time, they immediately believe the Betrayal of the Jews theory

During Falkland War, the Argentinian Junta made extensive propaganda that they were winning so much, the moment they lost the war the population immediately went in rage and deposed the Junta

There are historical precedents of the very same situation. The moment Russia is forced to mobilized, that's the moment the Russian population realized the government have been lying to them about what Putin and Kremlin refuse to call the war
The junta was already about to get yeeted before the war because they fucked up the economy big time, the country was going thru an hyperinflation att

The war was actually a last ditch effort from the junta to save their asses, dumbest move ever but then again galtieri (the dictator) was an alcoholic boozehound so what did you expect?
Does this count: https://t.me/voenacher/14106

*edit - I've been informed these are Ukrainians doing the massacre-ing, I don't speak Slav so I dunno...
Post it on reddit and see how long it stays up

Tittle it like "heroic ukrainians execute fucking vatniks" then record all the soycucks fapping to it
Reagan famously had paperwork, ships title and bills of sale drawn up and on Thatcher's desk selling the Brit's the USS Iwo Jima and possibly one of her sister ships, in the event Hermes or Invincable were lost. Complete with US version Sea Harriers, and a crew of "contractors" ie Retired US Navy to assist in operating the vessels. For the bargain rate of $1 each. Reagan had originally offered the USS Midway. A full deck carrier. But the Brit crews would take too long to relearn catapult and arrestor operations.
Source for that transfer thing? its the first time I heard about that
 
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