General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

Oh, the Mori stuff kinda got this shoved off to the side, but here's a nice list of things from Kiara to all the dipshits who are gonna try to hunt her down during con season in the EU.
 

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Rednax Kyuu said:
Might sound like a smart ass but Mori signing up with a music label isn't surprising at all, it's the logical progression of an artist with that outreach. If it wasn't UMG it was going to be Sony or another label.

Besides, this isn't something that instantly means success. Signing up for a label is a big give and take. She has relinquished her music rights and they have a lot of power over her for a long period of time decided by that contract. She will in return get a lot of exposure and access to one of the best networks for musicians out there. It's up to her to see if she makes the best out of it. Knowing her workaholic attitude I think she will burn bright and fast, have a huge burnout and then, hopefully come back strong.

I should remind you that the music industry is a nasty place to be and they're gonna take advantage of you if you let them.

Also reminder that Calliope Mori™ is an IP that COVER owns and the contract goes through them, not Karen.

She's put on shiny golden sneakers, but they're really heavy.
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makes you wonder how much creative freedom she will have. hope they dont tard wrangle her too much.
 
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Caxxx said:
For her sake, I really hope her contract is worded so only her work as Calliope Mori will fall under the label and she is free to do whatever she wants as DDK.
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I mean it's literally a Hololive and Universal Joint collaboration. Unless they say otherwise than DemonDice Karen is an independent IP.
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
its nice to see the Wigger get some great Ws recently, all we need is for the chicken to get one of equal size and the doomposting duo will finally get some decent leeway

Who am i kidding, schizos and twitter tards would bitch either way, but atleast the girls are doing fine
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They are definetly the drama heavy members of HoloEN. Ina is so chill that she deflects drama by existing, Calli gets it for being more divisive and Kiara is honestly a fucking Greek Theatre play by nature, she is made of drama but isn't an asshole to the point of deserving all the hate she gets. But precisely, it's nice to see them getting more sweet news!
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For her sake, I really hope her contract is worded so only her work as Calliope Mori will fall under the label and she is free to do whatever she wants as DDK.
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We'll see, they could only be interested in her as Calli or they could have signed "both" of them at once. She isn't stupid enough to let these news slide at the same time, even the biggest idiot in the fandom would have connected the dots, so even if it is the case we'll only be seeing it after a while. I don't see her taking a shitty deal, however!
 
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kukkia said:
For me, there are two questions relevant to the fad discussion:

1. Is streaming likely to decline?
2. Is streaming using a virtual avatar likely to decline?

The answer to the first question, IMO, is no. Livestreaming has been popular since it became practical for people to do. I think the appeal of it is very natural. I don't see it going away anytime soon.

The answer to the second question, IMO, is also no. It's been discussed here before but there does seem to be an advantage to streaming with a "body" instead of just being a disembodied voice, and using a virtual one instead of a webcam offers its own unique set of advantages. For the streamer, it offers greater privacy and means that they don't need to worry as much about looking good for the camera. For the audience, well, plenty of people like the anime art style, and drawn art styles in general have been popular for over a century.

As a result, if we define vtubing as streaming/making videos with a virtual avatar, I think it is here to stay.

What may change is what vtubing looks like - or the meta, so to speak. After all, the first vtubers were not streamers, primarily. From 2016-early 2018 pre-recorded videos with 3d models were dominant. The shift to streaming with 2d models occurred in 2018 thanks to people like Tsukino Mito becoming popular. Nijisanji talents are called "livers" because Nijisanji wanted to emphasize that they are live streamers.

Now, I personally don't think we'll see a shift away from streaming and back towards pre-recorded content, but that is an example of how what we associate with vtubing can change. 2017 vtubing looked very different from 2022 vtubing, in other words. I'm sure things will look different in some way or another by 2027.

The popularity of vtubing may also rise or fall. By late 2021 people were already talking about the Covid boom being over and how that would lead to a decline in vtuber popularity. To an extent, I'd agree that the 2020-21 vtuber fad did somewhat burst, but it seems as if that did not lead to a decline in popularity of vtubers, just a slowing in the growth of said popularity. Since then there have been things pointing towards growth returning.

My prediction is that vtubing will remain popular for some time.
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Good post and I agree with both points. I do think we'll see a second wave once the taboo of Vubing dies off, which may take a few years, but will happen. Streaming started with a boom, was taboo and slowed down, and, as it became more and more mainstream, started exploding yet again.

We're at the popular, but still taboo phase imo. I immediately wrote off this entire thing as cringe originally until I slowly found myself pulled into the Peko-hole and saw that there was far more than just kayfabe going on. Once you can tell your friends about your favorite vtube streamer and the reaction isn't immediate cringe, the popularity will explode again.
 
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Wnrite said:
She's been nightlighting as DD since the start of Mori, but that might come to an end now.
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No she hasn't. She literally stopped tweeting there for a bit because she didn't want to string DD fans along.

With covid killing the live scene for 2 years she's only done a short tour consisting of a few dates and literally no new DD music since alkatraz early 2020 until VERY recently.

Her channel sat idle (pun intended) for this whole time, the bottom of the description of the last video even read "I'm glad I spread my wings, I'm glad I flew away".
And she certainly has now!

And even bringing DD back was more her frustrations at some calli stuff going on and seemingly exclusively to play bloodborne! Notice she hasn't done much with the DD channel since she made that fuss and then suddenly and mysteriously got the go ahead for Calli to do so!

Edit: she's known about the signing for a while, and is still arranging a DD tour (rrats say the kiara meetup may be a world tour hint). One in hawaii already set. So it's very safe to say they don't impact legally in the slightest and she's still happy to do both. For this year at least. DD has a lot more freedom and she'll get to see her fans in person.
 
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SilenceIsViolence said:
Good post and I agree with both points. I do think we'll see a second wave once the taboo of Vubing dies off, which may take a few years, but will happen. Streaming started with a boom, was taboo and slowed down, and, as it became more and more mainstream, started exploding yet again.

We're at the popular, but still taboo phase imo. I immediately wrote off this entire thing as cringe originally until I slowly found myself pulled into the Peko-hole and saw that there was far more than just kayfabe going on. Once you can tell your friends about your favorite vtube streamer and the reaction isn't immediate cringe, the popularity will explode again.
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VTubing being cringe and niche is the only thing saving it from total annihilation.
 
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RainwaterDrop said:
They are definetly the drama heavy members of HoloEN. Ina is so chill that she deflects drama by existing, Calli gets it for being more divisive and Kiara is honestly a fucking Greek Theatre play by nature, she is made of drama but isn't an asshole to the point of deserving all the hate she gets. But precisely, it's nice to see them getting more sweet news!

We'll see, they could only be interested in her as Calli or they could have signed "both" of them at once. She isn't stupid enough to let these news slide at the same time, even the biggest idiot in the fandom would have connected the dots, so even if it is the case we'll only be seeing it after a while. I don't see her taking a shitty deal, however!
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Gura's gameplan when dealing with drama meanwhile:
Lol Lmao
 
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Tatsunoko said:
Speaking of AZKi, sounds like she probably won't stream that much more often. But it does sound like she will be playing games more often as well. Preferably coop games with other members.

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Her streaming rate being rather low probably due to her roommate still holding on her OL job if things still hasn't improved since then.

Hopefully this will change with her absorption under Holo umbrella in time. Although I do think she still needs to grind a little with solo streams for more exposure.
 
moments fade pain remains said:
Any funny reaction tweets to Calli signing with Universal, or did they decide to seethe in peace?
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Nothing major atm just same old but look at this one thing she's racist, you know tap water level's of IQ at it's best. 1-3 like alphabetti spaghetti gang.
thing i noticed and still makes me laugh is there's never any actual black folk moaning in the replys it's always SEA or rainbow hair milk toast goblins
 
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Avokado said:
She can joke about channel deletion (timestamped)
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Marine also joked that she would resign and graduate if Pekora becomes CEO

Timestamped, rough translation is "I hate the kind of crappy company that would make Pekora the CEO, here is my resignation, please remove all mention of me from the company"

fucking savage to post this the same day Rushia's videos were being deleted too
 
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