General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

Wnrite said:
Call me a retard, but does having a music label under Mori somehow limit her on her own personal music endevors a la DD?
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We don't know what kind of business entity "Calliope Mori" is, so there's no guessing.

Friends of mine who signed to majors all had the same experience: initial flush of cash from advance/signing bonus (which is also an advance), two rounds of "tour support" and recording budget (also advances on royalties), then radio silence until the company's "option" (to add years/albums to the contract) passed, after which, in exchange for cancelling the "debt" they'd incurred by accepting advances/etc., they surrendered all rights for 20 years. You might have noticed that a bunch of underground bands signed during the "next Nirvana" wave had 20th anniversary reissues of their lost (to the market) major label debuts a few years ago. It was their first chance to make money from them.

I doubt Mori's deal will be that good, since it's probably really Cover's deal. If she accidentally gets a hit she has writing credit for she'll be OK, but topping the streaming charts doesn't qualify. Sales of bestselling music now are lower than "local hero" type bands' sales used to be. Landing on a soundtrack might help, but it typically pays nothing except songwriter royalties, because it's considered promotion.

It's a shit business. The brief reputation boost of a signing costs artists so much. Her cartoon-girl job is vastly better.
 
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Bakako said:
Im the only one who didnt care too much about the last Calli doomposting? like, it was just a couple of alfabet and sjw people sperging about what the roomate said in a song or the C-man thing, i think this thread pays way too much attention about what /vt/ or vtweeters says, thinks or feel (for not saying the forbidden words: rent free) specially with the label firm news, but maybe thats me and thats what kiwi its about, my joined date talks by itself.
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Scoots said:
Just thought of my first really dumb rrat Kaela was always meant to be a penguin they just made the audience think they came up with it to avoid accusations of Ripping off Petra's species

I'm kidding of course but I thought it would be fun to share
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Apparently her name and design is a riff on the penguins of madagascar because the series has a memetic status in Indonesia, its def intentional but slightly more clever than Petra imho
 
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Might sound like a smart ass but Mori signing up with a music label isn't surprising at all, it's the logical progression of an artist with that outreach. If it wasn't UMG it was going to be Sony or another label.

Besides, this isn't something that instantly means success. Signing up for a label is a big give and take. She has relinquished her music rights and they have a lot of power over her for a long period of time decided by that contract. She will in return get a lot of exposure and access to one of the best networks for musicians out there. It's up to her to see if she makes the best out of it. Knowing her workaholic attitude I think she will burn bright and fast, have a huge burnout and then, hopefully come back strong.

I should remind you that the music industry is a nasty place to be and they're gonna take advantage of you if you let them.

Also reminder that Calliope Mori™ is an IP that COVER owns and the contract goes through them, not Karen.

She's put on shiny golden sneakers, but they're really heavy.
 
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SoundWave Superior said:
So to the surprise of no one Bahroo back after his 2 week vaction with the apology and 7k viewers, basic vtuber nothing apology and twitter on his ass bad hug box cult simps pouring out love and cash out the ass
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1446171267?sr=a&t=181s
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I used to watch him regularly from like 2016 to about 2019. The more I watched him, the more he just seemed to become insufferable over time. I think it was around when Anthem came out that I finally got over his bullshit. He was downright abusive and banned people because he couldn't cope with everyone memeing on Anthem and EA and doomposting about it being bad before it came out. He was hard on the copium. Lo-and-behold, it came out and was utter shit and he walked back hard.

I then discovered actually entertaining and not emotionally-draining streamers to watch and actually could enjoy. The dude is very clearly depressed and doesn't try to get help at all because he is incredibly arrogant and stubborn. He is a narcissist and takes it out on everyone else, and pushes them all away. It is no wonder he can only make friends with other looney people now.
 
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Rednax Kyuu said:
Might sound like a smart ass but Mori signing up with a music label isn't surprising at all, it's the logical progression of an artist with that outreach. If it wasn't UMG it was going to be Sony or another label.

Besides, this isn't something that instantly means success. Signing up for a label is a big give and take. She has relinquished her music rights and they have a lot of power over her for a long period of time decided by that contract. She will in return get a lot of exposure and access to one of the best networks for musicians out there. It's up to her to see if she makes the best out of it. Knowing her workaholic attitude I think she will burn bright and fast, have a huge burnout and then, hopefully come back strong.

I should remind you that the music industry is a nasty place to be and they're gonna take advantage of you if you let them.

Also reminder that Calliope Mori™ is an IP that COVER owns and the contract goes through them, not Karen.

She's put on shiny golden sneakers, but they're really heavy.
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I think the main reason people have a more positive outlook on this is because Cover owns the Mori Calliope IP. Mori signing up with Universal is a joint effort from her, Universal, and Cover so while Universal has a stake in it the music is largely still under the Hololive brand which makes this no different than her position prior when she was just making music under Cover.

What's benefitting Calli is not only the greater budget and public outreach but also the fact that DemonDice her actual personal IP is not only untouched but also indirectly benefits from the boosted exposure the Mori persona will receive.
 
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Gondola Enjoyer said:
I am super out of the loop on this one, can I get a quick rundown?
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Some clown tweetuber, Ayu Bunny, asked people to come forward to hash out beef with her, if they had any. People actually took her up on the offer, specifically an artist, LanyaLazar. Lanya claimed she was terrified back then because Ayu's connections, especially with Bahroo. Bahroo gets mad he got mentioned by her and calls her a bitch.

This starts people going off on him and people actually calling him on his shit from over the years, especially artists who he worked with and treated like shit (dude has probably had his emotes and art redone like yearly at this point with different artists every time cuz they all hated him). Most notably a streamer called Arex. He says was basically Bahroo's bitch for years and when he tried to get out, Bahroo kept harassing him. Arex had receipts and has a VERY good reputation for being a generally extremely nice guy in the community. Cue tweets from mutual friends of him and Bahroo (more like ex-friends for Bahroo) coming out in support of him, including but certainly not limited to people like Strippin, DansGaming, CohnCarnage, Cirno_tv, etc. And now everyone hates Bahroo.

Bahroo tried to keep streaming through this but got called out for it, gave a non-apology, and stopped streaming for 2 weeks. Guess he is back now.

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainme...-drama-ties-vtuber-harassment-claims-1787196/
This link has more info.

Oh and this was all exasperated because the /r/livestreamfail reddit has mods there that had a hardon for him and was removing threads about him, so there was some funny drama there about that and caused even more eyes to be on him when people otherwise would probably not care since Bahroo is not in the typical group of retard streamers that the subreddit circlejerks about.
 
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Gondola Enjoyer said:
I am super out of the loop on this one, can I get a quick rundown?
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Read above but tl;dr
>in wake of saurei drama, fairly big ex-ethot turned vtuber, Bunny GF tries to post positively and support her artists
>current large e-thot Jenna Lyn Meowri calls her out in that twitter post, other ex-ethots like Susu aka SwimSuitSuccubus also come out
>LanyaLazar comes out with her story about a failed figure commision where she was effectively lead along and never came to an agreement with bunny gf, leading to her losing a large amount of money
>she gets generally dragged through the bin

>Its then revealed Bahroo was so much of a simp for bunny he badmouthed other e-thots for her
>he gives out non apology and laughs about it on twitch
>goes slightly schizo on twitter
>retracts most of it (?) but not really
 
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Bakako said:
Did Calli & Monarch talked before at least on twitter?
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She did a collab track with her on Monarchs as of yet unreleased debut Album
DALKurumiTokisaki said:
What's benefitting Calli is not only the greater budget and public outreach but also the fact that DemonDice her actual personal IP is not only untouched but also indirectly benefits from the boosted exposure the Mori persona will receive.
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Truly a "Resting Power"
 
Rednax Kyuu said:
Might sound like a smart ass but Mori signing up with a music label isn't surprising at all, it's the logical progression of an artist with that outreach. If it wasn't UMG it was going to be Sony or another label.

Besides, this isn't something that instantly means success. Signing up for a label is a big give and take. She has relinquished her music rights and they have a lot of power over her for a long period of time decided by that contract. She will in return get a lot of exposure and access to one of the best networks for musicians out there. It's up to her to see if she makes the best out of it. Knowing her workaholic attitude I think she will burn bright and fast, have a huge burnout and then, hopefully come back strong.

I should remind you that the music industry is a nasty place to be and they're gonna take advantage of you if you let them.

Also reminder that Calliope Mori™ is an IP that COVER owns and the contract goes through them, not Karen.

She's put on shiny golden sneakers, but they're really heavy.
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To be fair, as long as the contract doesn't fuck over her Demon Dice persona, which it hopefully does not, it can't be all that different for her, aside from a shift in focuses and workload. She didn't own her songs as Calli with Cover publishing them, either, afterall.

Edit: DALKurumi already essentially said this, oops.
 
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trailcamwhore said:
We don't know what kind of business entity "Calliope Mori" is, so there's no guessing.

Friends of mine who signed to majors all had the same experience: initial flush of cash from advance/signing bonus (which is also an advance), two rounds of "tour support" and recording budget (also advances on royalties), then radio silence until the company's "option" (to add years/albums to the contract) passed, after which, in exchange for cancelling the "debt" they'd incurred by accepting advances/etc., they surrendered all rights for 20 years. You might have noticed that a bunch of underground bands signed during the "next Nirvana" wave had 20th anniversary reissues of their lost (to the market) major label debuts a few years ago. It was their first chance to make money from them.

I doubt Mori's deal will be that good, since it's probably really Cover's deal. If she accidentally gets a hit she has writing credit for she'll be OK, but topping the streaming charts doesn't qualify. Sales of bestselling music now are lower than "local hero" type bands' sales used to be. Landing on a soundtrack might help, but it typically pays nothing except songwriter royalties, because it's considered promotion.

It's a shit business. The brief reputation boost of a signing costs artists so much. Her cartoon-girl job is vastly better.
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Yeah, it's a pretty well-known fact that most people who get scooped up by record labels usually get chewed up and spit out once their usefulness is outlived. What I'm interested in is the 'requirements' that come with that contract. Mori was more free to persue her own interests in music when it came to just being an anime girl who also happened to be a singer, so things like her doing shows in the US wasn't impossible. If it follows some kind of route that you have written there, it could easily quash her 'private' music on DD because it becomes a hindrance on her current work as 'Mori'. She's been nightlighting as DD since the start of Mori, but that might come to an end now.
 
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