Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[LurkTrawl]

theyve been doing exactly that at mariupol for like a month straight now though

I said leveling entire cities, and I get the misunderstanding here, but I meant quickly and indiscriminately. Last I checked most of Koov is still standing and Mary's not a flattened, barren wasteland devoid of structures taller than 10' that aren't rubble.

overall, the reason these genocide claims are easy to accept is the combination of russian rhetoric, propaganda and history. consider:
- the official russian position, as stated by putin himself, is to categorically deny ukraines nationhood

That's not something that bolsters the idea of specific genocidal actions though.

- russian sources routinely paint everybody who opposes them as a nazi (not even limited to ukraine, they do this with poland and baltics too)

Genocide:

Even with this definition adding in nationality, I don't really see animosity towards Ukrainians as a people other than that which is framed in the context of supporting "the nazis". Wanting to destroy an ideological identity is not the same as wanting to destroy a nationality or race of people, and their justification is that they're doing it for the Ukrainians not because of them as a people.

- russian sources also routinely describe how they are enthusiastically looking forward to annihilate all nazis and nationalists, how they intend to give no quarter, take no prisoners, etc

Nazis and nationalists aren't equivalent to a race or nationality. This is like calling progressives genocidal for wanting to be rid of everyone right of Mao, or conservatives genocidal for wanting to be rid of communists.

-russia has a rich history of genociding/cleansing/deporting unruly ethnic minorities. notable examples include the circassians, the chechens, and the ukrainians

I mean if we're going to dig that far back into history to determine the current actions of an altogether separate government then you're lucky not to tear a muscle reaching.

-soviet russia also had a history of aggressively forcing russification onto its subjects, including ukraine, which included not just pushing russian language on them but also large scale resettlement of ethnic russians into ukrainian territory

Soviet Russia. But even aside from that, do most countries not also do this? I mean even in the U.S. you have large scale resettlement of "refugees" into majority white or majority black areas, nobody names that as a genocidal act. And expecting people to speak a common language is an altogether separate matter. I've never known someone to think they were being made the target of a genocidal campaign because they were expected to speak english. None who were reasonable anyhow.

all of these support the russians genocidal intent towards ukrainians

It really doesn't and it's telling that you took one snippet of my post rather than taking it on as a whole to make this argument. Look, I get it, it's a heated topic but like I said in the full post you responded to there are a shitload of reasons to believe it's just agitprop. We'll know for certain years, or more probably decades from now, but as I see it, it doesn't match up both with what is actually currently known nor does it make sense logically at all unless you're willing to plumb the depths of history and rhetoric to justify it to what I find an unreasonable degree.

 

[RussianBlonde]

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He won't believe someone with a drop of humanness can pass dead bodies and not remove them?

Has this naive child ever seen footages of Jewish Ghetto, Great Famine, or simply people heading to and from Mount Everest?

Lmao

 

[bread n circuses]

Sure let then go at it. Without US money, weapons or soldiers.

Oh wait...

It’s very funny knowing that all these east Europeans who hate Russia would bend over and let Russia fuck them in the ass the moment they didn’t have Germany and the US as their daddies. They’re little chihuahuas barking from behind a fence.

 

[White_N]

Russians claimed they were still in Bucha on April 1. (archive 1) (archive 2)

This timeline is factually incorrect. The first link talks about the battles in the Kiev region as a whole and talks about the control of the Buche in the past tense, and the second one talks about regrouping to intensify actions in the Donbas.

The official statement of the Russian Defense Ministry about Buchа

We would like to emphasize that all Russian units completely withdrew from Bucha on March 30, the day after the face-to-face round of negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in Turkey.

There's no debate here. Specific dates were negotiated between the 3 sides.

 

[MG-34]

Funny thing I remember guys slipping laptops in their plate carriers/IOTVs when on FTX. I bet the russian nigger that was felled stole it though and sold his plates to Americans before deploying.

 

[MCLOS Horthy]

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*Tugs collar* Jeez, nobody tell this smoothbrain about the heckin' Pacific Theater

 

[Protistology]

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But the Germans deserved the aftermath of WW2 right?

 

[BelUwUga]

Here's a longer video where you can see that a Russian soldier is still alive so they shoot him a few times.
Edit - link: https://t.me/voenacher/14106

Spoiler: GRAPHIC - NSFW

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There's a significant like of any kind of identifier, rank, or insignia. These aren't combatants and don't really have any legal protections and are not POWs. Sucks for the dead guys but there's nothing out of order with how they dealt with them.

 

[RussianBlonde]

I saw two vids tops so far. And this one turns out to be outdated.
I'm more surprised I don't see that happening to Russians in Yurop or USA.
Not that it's not happening.

That's because those with strong anti Russian sentiments who are calling for public lynching of Russians are in 99% reddit and twitter soyboys who couldn't even fight a 5 year old girl.

Poles and Russians are known to beat each other to a bloody pulp during football games. I remember during Euro 2012 Russian fans came to Poland and rolled out enormous flag during the game that said "This is Russia" (video below cos it was quite funny).
Starts at 1:45

As you can imagine that didn't go quite well with polish hooligans and there was a nice fight afterwards known as 2012 Warsaw riots. The entire city was involved and it looked like a mini war itself.

 

[Hell on Earth]

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The lack of self awareness is amazing in this one.

What, now little Billy from Kansas is responsible for the My lai massacre or the other countless American war crimes in the middle east? Seriously, this amount of hypocrisy and retardation is too poisonous for me.

The cattle will only hate that target if the media says it's okay to hate that target and will be nationalists for another nation because the media said it's okay while denouncing and condemning their own people and nation.

It's just so pathetic.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

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Ok some of these have to trolls at this point. I hope...


....the internet was a mistake.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I said leveling entire cities, and I get the misunderstanding here, but I meant quickly and indiscriminately. Last I checked most of Koov is still standing and Mary's not a flattened, barren wasteland devoid of structures taller than 10' that aren't rubble.

That's not something that bolsters the idea of specific genocidal actions though.

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Even with this definition adding in nationality, I don't really see animosity towards Ukrainians as a people other than that which is framed in the context of supporting "the nazis". Wanting to destroy an ideological identity is not the same as wanting to destroy a nationality or race of people, and their justification is that they're doing it for the Ukrainians not because of them as a people.

Nazis and nationalists aren't equivalent to a race or nationality. This is like calling progressives genocidal for wanting to be rid of everyone right of Mao, or conservatives genocidal for wanting to be rid of communists.

I mean if we're going to dig that far back into history to determine the current actions of an altogether separate government then you're lucky not to tear a muscle reaching.

Soviet Russia. But even aside from that, do most countries not also do this? I mean even in the U.S. you have large scale resettlement of "refugees" into majority white or majority black areas, nobody names that as a genocidal act. And expecting people to speak a common language is an altogether separate matter. I've never known someone to think they were being made the target of a genocidal campaign because they were expected to speak english. None who were reasonable anyhow.

It really doesn't and it's telling that you took one snippet of my post rather than taking it on as a whole to make this argument. Look, I get it, it's a heated topic but like I said in the full post you responded to there are a shitload of reasons to believe it's just agitprop. We'll know for certain years, or more probably decades from now, but as I see it, it doesn't match up both with what is actually currently known nor does it make sense logically at all unless you're willing to plumb the depths of history and rhetoric to justify it to what I find an unreasonable degree.

While you're correct, it requires thinking and research, something the public doesn't do as well as a bunch of people in this thread. On the face of it, genocide is plausible and somewhat easily accepted due to how Russia has talked about the war, even if their actions look different.

 

[The Ugly One]

Nazis and nationalists aren't equivalent to a race or nationality. This is like calling progressives genocidal for wanting to be rid of everyone right of Mao, or conservatives genocidal for wanting to be rid of communists.

It's more like calling progressives genocidal because they think every group of light-skinned people with a distinct language, history, and common heritage should be stripped of a national identity and dissolved into a common, universal humanity so that formerly ethnic terms, like "French," refer solely to a person who lives on a certain patch of ground under the jurisdiction of a particular UN-recognized government.

 

[Titos]

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Funny thing I remember guys slipping laptops in their plate carriers/IOTVs when on FTX. I bet the russian nigger that was felled stole it though and sold his plates to Americans before deploying.

Dumb slav deserves his graceless death for thinking appleshit was worth looting. Now he's not only being raped in hell but Satan is making fun of him for not being able to use an OS made for adults.

 

[Anubis]

I'm an American. My government and its media lie about every single thing, even when they don't have to, but especially when it comes to war.

This is the cutest Americanism and I unironically love seeing it in the open in discussions of anything.
The concept of "government and its media lie about every single thing ... but especially when it comes to war." is as rare as oxygen.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

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Funny thing I remember guys slipping laptops in their plate carriers/IOTVs when on FTX. I bet the russian nigger that was felled stole it though and sold his plates to Americans before deploying.

Fucker should have used an old think pad, not some piece of shit apple. One less apple product is a win at least.

 

[Finnegan the Supershark]

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People who supported Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden pretending to care about dead civilians in unnecessary wars is just too much for me.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

Fun fact: the Fuhrer of Nazi Germany was also shot dead by a Nazi

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Maybe the other way around seeing how Russia's "special operation" is going against the second poorest country in Europe.

If significant progress regarding encircling the Donbass Ukrainian army isn't made within the next week or two, I have to wonder what will be next goalpost for the "It's all going according to the plan" people will become. I used to find the Ghost Of 'Kyiv' people to be the most entertaining clowns, but at this point the people convinced that it's impossible for Russia to suffer a strategic defeat have taken that title.

 

[mindlessobserver]

If significant progress regarding encircling the Donbass Ukrainian army isn't made within the next week or two, I have to wonder what will be next goalpost for the "It's all going according to the plan" people will become. I used to find the Ghost Of 'Kyiv' people to be the most entertaining clowns, but at this point the people convinced that it's impossible for Russia to suffer a strategic defeat have taken that title.

If Ukraine counter attacks. It's going to be around Kherson, not the Donbass. The entire Russian force in that theater would be fucked if the forces in Odessa could break through behind them and cut the supply line back to crimea