Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Peasant]

Really, the question of whether or not Russians are committing war crimes can be answered with Occam's razor. Which is more likely, that Ukrainians are deviously massacring their own and blaming Russia in order to drum up support for a defensive war that's already receiving material support from most of the western world? Or could it perhaps be that the invading Russian army is doing what invading armies the world over have done since the dawn of time?
I sympathize with skeptics; the media is essentially a lie factory and there is undeniably a thick veil of bullshit over this entire war. However, with all the photographs and video footage coming out of the area, I'd say it's safe to trust your eyes.

 

[bread n circuses]

Is russia going to scrape their dead off the Ukranian pavement and use super glue to put them back together and redeploy them to Poland?

I don’t think Russia has to worry about it. Poland isn’t allowed to do anything Germany doesn’t want it to.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Hmm, I remember someone got me a poker deck of "Most wanted Saddam Hussein regime" villains for Christmas. At the time, though, that was the kind of thing I think only supporters of one party would have gotten. This current war has bipartisan support in the United States, so I'm not surprised it has a bigger consoomer footprint.

Like I said I remember there being some, but nothing to this degree. Maybe it's just me being older and all. Could also just be more noticeable because it's merch for two foreign countries fighting.

 

[kuuu]

https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/1781

The guy added another clause to this war: de-shaitanization.

Демилитаризация, денацификация и дешайтанизация Украины проходит вполне успешно.

 

[Kane Lives]

Really, the question of whether or not Russians are committing war crimes can be answered with Occam's razor. Which is more likely, that Ukrainians are deviously massacring their own and blaming Russia in order to drum up support for a defensive war that's already receiving material support from most of the western world? Or could it perhaps be that the invading Russian army is doing what invading armies the world over have done since the dawn of time?
I sympathize with skeptics; the media is essentially a lie factory and there is undeniably a thick veil of bullshit over this entire war. However, with all the photographs and video footage coming out of the area, I'd say it's safe to trust your eyes.

I mean, to me, both sides are equally capable. Russian soldiers were never the most disciplined and I can very easily believe their nigger-tier conscripts did something nigger-tier like said massacre. On the other side you have Ukies with their Azov tier niggers who were rounding up """looters""" and shit to be strung up. So I can also easily believe they were rounding up """collaborators""" to be shot. And given the media is carrying water for them its piss essy to pass it off as a Russian oopsie doopsie.

So really, all I can agree on is that what the media reports is not what I want to believe, at least not without a full and thorough investigation, which we may never get.

 

[Peasant]

So really, all I can agree on is that what the media reports is not what I want to believe, at least not without a full and thorough investigation, which we may never get.

It has been said that journalism is the first draft of history. What does that tell us about history?

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Really, the question of whether or not Russians are committing war crimes can be answered with Occam's razor. Which is more likely, that Ukrainians are deviously massacring their own and blaming Russia in order to drum up support for a defensive war that's already receiving material support from most of the western world? Or could it perhaps be that the invading Russian army is doing what invading armies the world over have done since the dawn of time?
I sympathize with skeptics; the media is essentially a lie factory and there is undeniably a thick veil of bullshit over this entire war. However, with all the photographs and video footage coming out of the area, I'd say it's safe to trust your eyes.

What we can see are that there are dead people in Bucha, some with the same white armbands civilians in Russian-controlled parts of Mariupol wear. The causal link between that and the Russkies waging a genocidal campaign is weak and becomes weaker when those claiming it are also the ones who stand to gain the most from drumming up hysteria. There are degrees of support as you can see from the raft of new sanctions and weapon help that they'll get. The story makes no sense at even the most cursory inspection, from a Mayor who doesn't see bodies allegedly there for weeks without decomposing according to satellite images that were miraculously not published up until three days after the Ukrainians had already gone in.

All from a state who's not only lied about everything from a Babi Yar memorial massacre to blowing up nuclear stations but who among their first acts cut loose convicts to give them weapons, who're now in the territorial guard who their own media mentioned were coming in for a 'cleaning operation' one day after they took Bucha. It's fake and gay and the people who fall for it probably fell for the fifty times the last Syrian hospital got blown up by Gassad.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Taping people who are trouble makers in a warzone seems like kid glove shit. Niggers are acting like they are murdering people for theft (Which they technically could). All of a sudden Pro Russia folks have a huge bleeding heart for humanitarian issues while their side shells the fuck out of civilians. It's fucking phoney.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Maybe I have been missing something, but just don't see the mental agility out of the Russian command. Just don't see the flexibility and energy there.

To be fair Russia and its military believes it has to justify itself only to the Russian public, given the West's hysterical overreaction. I mean, is Andersen Cooper (lol at the thought) going to travel to Moscow to interview Vladimir Putin?

From my reading of WWII

That's just it, this is not the same army.

Have seen rather more action from the Uke upper echelons. The NATO/US training's been paying off handsomely. In reality, least at the top command levels, it's STAVKA against the Ukrainians and NATO/US. If the Ukes aren't co-located with the Allies, then the comms lines are running 24/7. Would also say there's been a lot of teleconferencing going on between various places in the USA/NATO and the Uke command, not to mention the real-time sharing of intelligence.

This is a proxy war between NATO and Russia, the Ukraine is, sadly, irrelevant. Its only being used to give NATO plausible deniability.

Russia is paying a very, very dear price for this war. First, they are paying in blood. Thousands of Russian sons, fathers, brothers and uncles are coming home in boxes, or not at all.

So is Ukraine.

How will this end? No idea. Been a grind for some time now. Believe the Russians are getting tired. This has gone on far longer than expected, planned, or prepared for. The longer this goes, the bigger the cracks in the Russian effort. The Ukes are also hurting, but their morale is high, which is a force multiplier, and the aid is coming in from the west. Suggest that while Russia will try to interdict what it can in Western Ukraine, they won't get too close to the Polish border; bet NATO air defense stays on high alert, and ground defenses are on higher alert than normal.

I think Russian morale is high as well; by coming down so hard on them with sanctions and allowing Ukraine to spew hateful slurs on the world stage, the desire to pay back your opponent in kind is strong and underrated by the West.

I really can't say how this is playing out in the long run, but I do know Crimea is staying Russian, as is Donetsk and Lugansk. Most likely the Donbass as well.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

Same reason people who were cheerleaders for Russia as an ally in the U.S. during WW2 were suddenly frothing at the mouth for the decades to come even after the U.S.S.R. collapsed.

Same way that people can believe in QAnon, the Russiagate bullshit, the covid bullshit, or trust the media in general.

Because to people for whom hypocrisy is no object and cognitive dissonance can be adequately assuaged through the dopamine of a quick gotcha, no delusion, excuse, nor double-think is beyond their reach.

About that.

In the immediate aftermath of WWII and I mean on a timeframe of weeks or months, the USSR started fucking with us. And by that I mean encircling Berlin and threatening to starve the populace if we didn't hand all of Germany over to them. Using their army as a threat of a restarted war in much the same way that people love to hang around the neck of Patton and Churchill. The Cold war started in the immediate aftermath of VE day and then kicked into High Gear in Korea.

 

[kuuu]

Sevastopol, Crimea.
The guy was cutting tires (I assume civilian) on cars with "Z"s, "V"s or some other stuff denoting support for Russian troops.

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Spoiler: Some guy's protest in Moscow.

A bit of a bad taste if you ask me.

https://t.me/holodmedia/2714

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Usual reasons given for why this happened, getting rid of undesirables, being pro-russian.
Not sure if NSFW:

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Sevastopol, Crimea.
The guy was cutting tires (I assume civilian) on cars with "Z"s, "V"s or some other stuff denoting support for Russian troops.
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>Marking your car with the symbols of a military known to be using civilian vehicles to carry supplies
Keep this in mind when cars in Crimea start getting Bayraktar'd.

 

[Fools Idol]

Its only being used to give NATO plausible deniability.

The Bongs have been sending C17's filled with missiles non stop and the US and UK have trained of tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers for nearly a decade. Not much deniability there.

 

[Free_Palestine]

The Ukraine hasn't recognized the LNR, the DNR or the annexation of Crimea and they are under no obligation to do so due to Russia's siezure of those territories by force of arms.

The majority population in Crimea are Russian and voted to join Russia.

Are you suggesting that the Ukrainians should invade Crimea?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Bongs have been sending C17's filled with missiles non stop and the US and UK have trained of tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers for nearly a decade. Not much deniability there.

It is a proxy war by the very definition of the word, or do you think the US (the UK lol, maybe as an auxiliary) is going to field its army against Russia, ie, nuclear superpower against nuclear superpower?

 

[Fools Idol]

It is a proxy war by the very definition of the word, or do you think the US (the UK lol, maybe as an auxiliary) is going to field its army against Russia, ie, nuclear superpower against nuclear superpower?

It's 100% a proxy war but there's absolutely no deniability for NATO, just like there was non for the Soviets support of north Vietnam back in the 60s.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Also, here is a video from March 29, that shows exactly the same places where the bodies were and surprise - nothing is there. What is there however are the signs of the shelling, while ukies deny doing anything.
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Funnily enough, New York Times posted this shit about bodies lying "for weeks". Please, tell them that dead bodies tend to decompose.
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Also, here is another little problem with the narrative "OMG, WE FOUGHT OFF RUSSIANS AND THERE WERE DEAD PEOPLE EVERYWHERE" i.e. this article.

It's not even the fact that it says that "they are looking for the traces of russian war crimes" when there were dead bodies everywhere according to what they were going to show the next fucking day, it's the fact that it has link to an article "the head of Bucha city Anatolii Fedoruk recorded a video message in which he announced that the city had been liberated from Russian invaders on 31 March", which is gone now for obvious reasons. I am surprised this one is still up and has that link, but sadly the article itself wasn't archived anywhere.

 

[kuuu]

Also, here is another little problem with the narrative "OMG, WE FOUGHT OFF RUSSIANS AND THERE WERE DEAD PEOPLE EVERYWHERE" i.e. this article.

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It's not even the fact that it says that "they are looking for the traces of russian war crimes" when there were dead bodies everywhere according to what they were going to show the next fucking day, it's the fact that it has link to an article "the head of Bucha city Anatolii Fedoruk recorded a video message in which he announced that the city had been liberated from Russian invaders on 31 March", which is gone now for obvious reasons. I am surprised this one is still up and has that link, but sadly the article itself wasn't archived anywhere.

Vid exists and mayor guy states the date on it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It's 100% a proxy war but there's absolutely no deniability for NATO, just like there was non for the Soviets support of north Vietnam back in the 60s.

Well, it's like a situation where a man is cheating on his wife but he knows his wife is also cheating on him so they both pretend to the world everything is alright while they both consult with high priced matrimonial lawyers looking to screw the other out of the community property.

The teenage kids know what's happening so they play each parent off the other. That what this is like, Russia and the US are duking it out while Ukraine Belarus, Poland all try to play everyone.

 

[Free_Palestine]

Which is more likely, that Ukrainians are deviously massacring their own

This is a civil war scenario not one sovereign state vs another.

Western Ukraine fought for Nazi Germany in WW2 (hence Azov and co) while eastern Ukraine is more pro-Russia.