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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Or, and I know this is radical, have checks and balances! I know, right? Crazy talk. Like, the judiciary and the press and the working police.
These checks and balances run on a system of trust where corruption is simply presumed to not have infested such institutions, which is a problem for Russia, is it not? The press are a joke, district attorneys let Antifa go whenever they're caught by police, the only thing which seems to have withstood this corruption in the United States is the courtroom itself, and even that is subject to all kinds of criticism for gaming evidence in the interest of scoring a prosecution.
No, you're confusing Nationalism with Patriotism. There's nothing wrong with loving the country you're from. I love living in the United States and I'm sure you do too

But the moment you start thinking your nation is "better" than others and can bully them through might makes right is when patriotism goes too far and nationalism takes over.

It was turbo-nationalist cancer that got us dragged into both world wars and is in a close tie with Communism for most ass backwards murderous ideology man has ever conceived. Let's just pray it doesn't get us dragged into a third one
I was not aware that nationalism was a distinct ideology to patriotism. So you say that nationalism is just extreme patriotic colonialism? Or does imperialism also count? I also noticed @Ly Erg mention that this form of extreme patriotism is called jingoism. Perhaps we should use this term instead of nationalism going forward, since nationalism just sounds like "I like my country."
What are you talking about? Russia doesn't have a strong, capitalist economy (it's state capitalism, even shittier than Chinese), nor does it have a strong social net.
Russia's modern problems are the remnants of the problems inherited by the USSR, which is cronyism, which is chiefly the reason Russia has a baron economy of oligarchs. Everyone with power or money is either Putin's personal friend or a holdover from the USSR. The state of modern Russia is due entirely to their inheritance from the USSR.
 
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Twitter thread with the official Russian govt memo explaining the 'special operation' to state and parastatal workers.

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A theory in a Twitter thread on the Bucha massacre by a scholar.
 
Or, and I know this is radical, have checks and balances! I know, right? Crazy talk. Like, the judiciary and the press and the working police.

Unless, of course, you think that the US doesn't have a bureaucratic apparatus that would make USSR apparatchiks blush.
The press have always been, to quote Hunter S. Thompson "A gang of cruel faggots", they've never been on the side of the little guy no matter how much they try to portray themselves. Same goes for a judiciary, judges have been bought and paid for since time immemorial.

Obviously anecdotal but gibs don't fucking work because they always fail to identify who actually needs them to get to a more comfortable position and instead give them out to lazy fucks. I grew up in a house most people would consider unlivable in. We had rooms with dirt floors, most rooms had concrete floors. There was no running water on the property outside of the bathroom and outside hoses, so if you wanted to get some water to drink you either went to the tub or the hose outside. No AC, electricity only worked in 2 rooms. My parents couldn't get a single fucking dime in assistance from the government no matter how hard they tried, and this was in an insane welfare state. Meanwhile our neighbors were getting welfare checks in the thousands despite having a pool and working AC, and water, and everything. They drove a fucking hummer while we had to use a broke down van which barely ran. My parents worked their asses off while our neighbors sat around doing jack shit and just leeching off the government.
 
Just like in America?
Ib4 "Atleast it's not the gubbermint threading on me"
Okay, fag.

I can't be arrested for protesting the president, unlike Russians (or Chinese) who are regularly disappeared for being political dissidents. I can criticize the U.S. government, Russians and Chinese cannot.
 
Modern Russia is basically sliding back to the Stalinist way of life. The natural result of a state that idolizes leaders like Stalin.

I don't know about the rest of the world but Americans generally do not want handouts, they want self determination and upward mobility, which the government will never provide for the same reasons Russia will never provide it, because middle class people are educated and have political demands. Need I remind you all of the failures of Venezuela?

Then explain why the American south takes up the majority of the government welfare budget, and why Americans keep voting for a welfare state. It seems that your idea of what Americans are is rooted on idealism and not the reality, where the red states soak up the lion's share of the government welfare money, and the blue states vote for more of it.
 
Well, he said it, and I tend to agree. How about you guys?

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Who would have thought it needed a monke attacking a comedian to make people seriously considering to reform the UN
Wasn't there a really bizarre air to air kill of an Iraqi Helicopter by a US attack plane using a laser guided ground attack bomb? Not a missile. But yeah this is rather shocking. Exactly how much of Putin's foreign trade comes from arms sales? And how quickly has that number cratered to zero? I mean this isn't just a Russian Helicopter. This is Russia's most advanced state of the art Attack Helicopter.
Oh, their customers are definitely panicking right now, especially when you consider Russian arms customer is the most likely countries to actually use it in combat, whether against other countries or themselves
No, you're confusing Nationalism with Patriotism. There's nothing wrong with loving the country you're from. I love living in the United States and I'm sure you do too

But the moment you start thinking your nation is "better" than others and can bully them through might makes right is when patriotism goes too far and nationalism takes over.

It was turbo-nationalist cancer that got us dragged into both world wars and is in a close tie with Communism for most ass backwards murderous ideology man has ever conceived. Let's just pray it doesn't get us dragged into a third one
I think the word you're looking for is Chauvinism. But yes, Patriotism and Nationalism are good, and should be expected from a good citizen of any country. It was the extremities of both that is bad
Most of the Russian equipment even with flawed loading and the lack of night vision, and patent lack of maintenance could have performed far better if Russia had decent officers. Kamil Galeev that poor quality army officers was a deliberate policy of Putin, his siloviki and courtiers who preferred not to have capable officers forming an alternative power center. Popular generals with political savvy were a feature of the early post Soviet years.

Hideo Suzuki the Japanese Ambassador to the Czech Republic recently posted to explain the Japanese claims:


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Twitter thread stating they are in fact part of Hokkaido and the term 'Kuril islands' is Russian propaganda.

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The tag is fair for once as they are claiming the Ukrainians murdered and defiled their own citizens and children to own Putin while they are winning. It's an incredible claim.

They published a longer statement on Telegram full of the 'muh Nazis' stuff.



Now it might be completely blocked for others.
If Japan for some reason managed to get the Kuril from Russia, I can't explain it enough how big the anger from China (and Korea) would be, since they too have disputed islands with Japan
 
I was about to translate this drivel, but luckily these twitter people already did it for me.
Couple things stand out - claiming that there was a real threat of nuclear attack from Ukraine is so blatantly contradicts reality, that I can only describe it as lunacy. Though it is obvious that they're knowingly lying, which is downright evil.
Regarding biological weapons nothingburger, apparently some people in Belgorod (Russian city bordering Ukraine where a fuel depot got blown up by two helies the other day) got so paranoid, they're feeding pigeons poisoned food to kill them off and prevent spread of the made up biological agents. Russian state TV is one hell of a drug.

Saying that Western businesses only left temporarily is nothing but cope. It's true in the sense that they might come back after Russia of today ceases to exist and there's a financial reason for doing so. Currently already pitiful purchasing power of Russian consumers keeps falling down the drain, these companies gain more by pulling out for PR.
So is "Default won't happen", it's just wishful thinking in the face of the inevitable.

The Wagner stuff... I'm not looking forward to finding out. I know perfectly well what they're capable of. And if you don't, short google search would tell you.
 
It's like some of you have forgotten that Zelensky is an actor. Not even a very good one.

if you are a good project manager and have a willingness to learn and listen to your experts you can excel in ministerial positions without personal expertise - at the end of the day, you are there to get the best from others as a leader.
I agree with this somewhat. - The danger of having a Minister who has been in the military is he may think he's an expert on all things military, and you end up with a man who refuses to listen to actual experts. A certain Austrian corporal had that habit.
 
Then explain why the American south takes up the majority of the government welfare budget, and why Americans keep voting for a welfare state. It seems that your idea of what Americans are is rooted on idealism and not the reality, where the red states soak up the lion's share of the government welfare money, and the blue states vote for more of it.
How come 61% of Americans refused to pay Federal income tax?


Interesting how a nation of people who want gibs are also the same group of people who refuse to pay into it.
Regarding biological weapons nothingburger, apparently some people in Belgorod (Russian city bordering Ukraine where a fuel depot got blown up by two helies the other day) got so paranoid, they're feeding pigeons poisoned food to kill them off and prevent spread of the made up biological agents. Russian state TV is one hell of a drug.
Haha lol Great Leap Forward 2: Electric Boogaloo LMAO
 
How come 61% of Americans refused to pay Federal income tax?


Interesting how a nation of people who want gibs are also the same group of people who refuse to pay into it.

Of course. They want the money to go into their wallets, not out of it.

People will do whatever it takes to get the most out of the system while paying the least. The biggest payers are the top 1% who, judging by their politics and voting habits, are more than happy to pay.

I know they're really good at dying en masse against an enemy who doesn't back down if Khasham is anything to go by.

So basically, more expendable buffoons, if this war is anything to go by.

There are degrees of nationalism in which the ideology becomes more extreme. Civic, religious, ethnic and jingoism.

What you are describing is jingoism. The worst type of nationalism possible if you want cooperation with neighbor states.

Russia has compensated for its failures in the past two decades by doubling down on jingoism, and this laugh riot of a war is the result of them getting drunk on their own kool-aid.
 
Of course. They want the money to go into their wallets, not out of it.

People will do whatever it takes to get the most out of the system while paying the least. The biggest payers are the top 1% who, judging by their politics and voting habits, are more than happy to pay.



So basically, more expendable buffoons, if this war is anything to go by.



Russia has compensated for its failures in the past two decades by doubling down on jingoism, and this laugh riot of a war is the result of them getting drunk on their own kool-aid.
You act like the southerners are the fucking problem. When I see noting but citidiots who move out of the cities to more country side and saying "they want a fresh start" and than start changing everything and kicking out locals. Southerners are no the problem my friend. Citiidiots also act like the government owes them.
 
You act like the southerners are the fucking problem. When I see noting but citidiots who move out of the cities to more country side and saying "they want a fresh start" and than start changing everything and kicking out locals. Southerners are no the problem my friend. Citiidiots also act like the government owes them.

Both sides soak up welfare money. The states that soak up the most aren't leftist states. But the left does vote for more of it.


Also, who said anything about this being a problem? It's a good thing that the government gives them welfare money. At least it shows that they care.

As for this war, I'm calling a NATO victory. The logistics favor Ukraine, a $200K javelin can kill a tank that costs several million dollars. With Russia's logistics still being shit on toast, and with both the numbers game and the money crunch favoring the hohols, there is no way in hell Putin can score a win, unless he can work miracles and turn water into vodka.
 
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Did you ever have to console anyone when they've lost everything? I had to, in 2014. I hope you never have to experience it.
More than once. It doesn't entitle me to become a hypocritical sycophant that doesn't practice what he preaches.
Here, I can give you information to insult me properly. Go for it, champ.
Bottom line is you fled war and are now cheering and encouraging it from the sidelines. You're the insult to your own injury.
 
Of course. They want the money to go into their wallets, not out of it.

People will do whatever it takes to get the most out of the system while paying the least. The biggest payers are the top 1% who, judging by their politics and voting habits, are more than happy to pay.
So what I said is true, earners want to keep their money and the deadbeats just want money from the earners. Americans generally want upward mobility and success. The welfare people only make up roughly 20% of the populace, and many of them were dealt a bad hand and were born cripple and really need subsidies to live. Many people, however, are just out to find ways to exploit and game the system so they can live for free without putting anything back in save for the shit they flush down the toilet.
 
Nitric acid is a reagent for manufacturing nitrated explosives e.g. TNT. It's also phenomenally dangerous as you can't see (unless it's in a very high concentration), smell or taste its fumes and you can get a lethal exposure before any warning symptoms develop. Excellent chemical weapon for insurgency use, though.

nah, it's fine. It's used for nitrate fertilizers, this is where "nitrates" come from. It's used for nitrating toluene (into TNT) but I doubt it was TNT factory.

By itself, it's not as corrosive as say sulfuric acid, it stains your skin yellow and smells a bit like a printer, but it's not supertoxic, just not great to inhale.



I don't think that you need any theories here. Russians did EXACTLY the same thing in Chechen wars: total devastation with artillery, looting, raping and civilians killings, and that was 20 years ago. This was before Prigozhin and Vagner. Raping first year conscripts is kind of norm and second year conscripts or contract servicemen do the same back. Depravity to Russian army is norm SOP.
 
More than once. It doesn't entitle me to become a hypocritical sycophant that doesn't practice what he preaches.

Bottom line is you fled war and are now cheering and encouraging it from the sidelines. You're the insult to your own injury.
I'd say that's disingenuous. I can tell you he never wanted this war, neither do I. Russia started it, now it's the matter of who ends it.
Clearly, he's invoking NATO military forces under the assumption that it would put a stop to this war, push out Russian forces in Ukraine and restore peace most efficiently. Of course there's all kinds of ways it could go wrong, though I personally think Russia is toothless at this point, and won't be able to continue fighting, they'll resort to crawling back into their hole, licking their wounds and seething. At that point Russians would likely start eating each other.
But it's understandable. There's nothing wrong with wanting resolute end to Russian aggression. Ukrainians themselves can only do so much.

USA decided to stop being world police at the time it would've been most justified. That's too bad.

nah, it's fine. It's used for nitrate fertilizers, this is where "nitrates" come from. It's used for nitrating toluene (into TNT) but I doubt it was TNT factory.

By itself, it's not as corrosive as say sulfuric acid, it stains your skin yellow and smells a bit like a printer, but it's not supertoxic, just not great to inhale.




I don't think that you need any theories here. Russians did EXACTLY the same thing in Chechen wars: total devastation with artillery, looting, raping and civilians killings, and that was 20 years ago. This was before Prigozhin and Vagner. Raping first year conscripts is kind of norm and second year conscripts or contract servicemen do the same back. Depravity to Russian army is norm SOP.
Ukraine is an agricultural hub, so it's most likely fertilizer.
 
Both sides soak up welfare money. The states that soak up the most aren't leftist states. But the left does vote for more of it.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-recipients-by-state
Also, who said anything about this being a problem? It's a good thing that the government gives them welfare money. At least it shows that they care.
The coal miners who live in the Rust Belt sure think it's a bad thing, because now they're on the dole and can be kicked off of it any time. These people weren't simply made obsolete by the forward march of technology, they were forced out of work by politicians who want to move away from coal as a source of electricity. These people had jobs and those jobs were rug-pulled by political meddling, now they either struggle in squalor or they subsist on government money in squalor. Can you imagine doing a certain job your whole life and have some smug Democrat come in and put a lid on the whole industry you were a part of? The Rust Belt is the result of daddy government "looking out" for "the people."
 
nah, it's fine. It's used for nitrate fertilizers, this is where "nitrates" come from. It's used for nitrating toluene (into TNT) but I doubt it was TNT factory.

By itself, it's not as corrosive as say sulfuric acid, it stains your skin yellow and smells a bit like a printer, but it's not supertoxic, just not great to inhale.




I don't think that you need any theories here. Russians did EXACTLY the same thing in Chechen wars: total devastation with artillery, looting, raping and civilians killings, and that was 20 years ago. This was before Prigozhin and Vagner. Raping first year conscripts is kind of norm and second year conscripts or contract servicemen do the same back. Depravity to Russian army is norm SOP.
The incidence of (homo)sexual assault in the Russian Army is vast. It has some name like the grandfather system or Dedovshchina. Perhaps their personal knowledge of homosexuality is key to them fighting 'globohomo'.'


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Now I wonder the Russians are plotting something big to allow Putin to claim victory by Victory Day on 9th May.
 
Both sides soak up welfare money. The states that soak up the most aren't leftist states. But the left does vote for more of it.
Not sure if this is accurate since it sounds like just federal welfare rather than including state/local programs. If the left was fine being taxed to help out they’d be against SALT reductions.
 
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