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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Not by a huge amount. It's going to be worse for the Russians as they can't buy shit and on top of that, they're a food exporter... but a seed importer. So they're going to have a rough time. Europe has a lot of other options to buy from other than Russia and Ukraine, and are actually on the whole, net food producers. Prices are likely going to rise on some products, but drop on others. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Yeah this. Europe and America will probably have to deal with price hikes on certain products but by and large they'll do fine

Africa and other third world countries are fucked though. It's pretty scary to think about when you remember food scarcity was one of the main factors that led to the Arab Spring
 
Hey guys idk if this is too off topic but how is this gonna affect food prices in Europe? Not to power level but let's just say that I have friends there that I am really really concerned about.
In the UK they've been rising for a year anyway due to agri labour shortages and both locally and globally fucked logistics. Leccy and gas prices are what's fucking people the hardest, there was an interview with a food bank worker who said that some people had stopped taking spuds and (presumably) other things that needed to be cooked before they were edible.
 
It's kinda sad since when it comes to communists, Greek Communist Party is actually one of the more based ones AFAIK. They support traditional family structure and are opposed to faggotry and troon movements from what I heard.
If that's true, then they're not true blue Communists because Marx believed that family was a form of property ownership and that humanity is one's "family." Or some retarded shit like that, it's been a while since I've read his ramblings.
Just more proof manlets should not be allowed to lead. Instead of "this tall to ride" it should be "this tall to govern"
 
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When Russia can't even reverse engineer anything like the Chinese do. How did Russia get to be this pathetic?
It is a good question, and I have some thoughts on the wider Russian economy.

First, I think the Russians could reverse engineer things - it isn't like they lack any and all high tech industry. Their aerospace and military industry has some cutting edge technology - hyper-sonics, air defense - and for years their space industry was competitive, even being the primary means for the US to put heavy loads into orbit in the early 2010s. They also have good jet engines - China is only just getting on par in this area.

When it comes to their cutting edge stuff, its more of an issue to do with supply chains. If you are going to make an SU35, much of the high end requirements are not made within Russia. Not a problem unless you decide to become an international pariah as you just buy these items.

With that said, outside of key industries Russia really doesn't have that many exports of things that are manufactured products, or services. Think about what it is at the moment you can't buy because of sanctions - I'm in the UK and there isn't a single thing I usually buy which I now can't. Maybe if I drank Russian vodka that wouldn't be available, yet that's about it. Flip it round, Russians daily life is being drastically impeded because they cannot access the Western products they import.

This is because the Russian economy is structured more like an African economy rather than a European one. African economies tend to primarily export commodities, then this money is used to import goods. This has a negative impact on local manufacturing because the initial quality of manufacturing is going to be shit compared to imported goods. This in turn limits local economic growth.

Russia when it became the Soviet Union wasn't that much different. They took loans from the US, Europe, then used glorified slave labour to sell commodities to pay for their rapid industrialisation. Which is all fine, except what happened - when the USSR existed these companies were state owned and Western imports were banned and therefore didn't have competition. After the USSR collapsed many of these companies were exposed to Western competition and collapsed as they were inefficient and needed to be state subsidised with a captive market to function.

If Russia had say, invested in its people, further integrated into the Western economy and spent money on things like hospitals, education and other things to help build human capital they may have moved past this reliance on commodities to pay for their existence - but no, they built a huge army, got cut off from the economy and remain a shit tip.
 
Africa and other third world countries are fucked though. It's pretty scary to think about when you remember food scarcity was one of the main factors that led to the Arab Spring
IIRC there were plenty of African countries who could have exported crops to Europe (and greatly enriched and developed themselves), except for the Common Agricultural Policy that was designed to protect French farmers from foreign competition.
 
When Russia can't even reverse engineer anything like the Chinese do. How did Russia get to be this pathetic?
Its not just a matter of reverse engineering things. Technology doesnt work in real like the way it does in a video game. It takes time and money to build up the infrastructure and to cultivate the specialist labor needed to produce the reverse engineered technology in quantity. Time and money Russia simply does not have.

China has been plugging away on these things for DECADES and only now are they starting to see the first buds of fruit for their efforts.
 
Its not just a matter of reverse engineering things. Technology doesnt work in real like the way it does in a video game. It takes time and money to build up the infrastructure and to cultivate the specialist labor needed to produce the reverse engineered technology in quantity. Time and money Russia simply does not have
Putin has been screeing about Ukraine not being a real nation for about two years now? They should've invested into their human resources to make sure they could continue striving as an island pariah state, they should've covered all their bases and played the long game before they started the short game, but they didn't and that's why they were pushed completely out of Kiev and soon enough, completely out of Ukraine.

The only way Russia recovers from such a blunder is if Putin steps down from high command, but even that might not be enough, the entire chain of high command might have to leave for anybody to extend any trust toward Russia ever again.
 
It is a good question, and I have some thoughts on the wider Russian economy.

First, I think the Russians could reverse engineer things - it isn't like they lack any and all high tech industry. Their aerospace and military industry has some cutting edge technology - hyper-sonics, air defense - and for years their space industry was competitive, even being the primary means for the US to put heavy loads into orbit in the early 2010s. They also have good jet engines - China is only just getting on par in this area.

When it comes to their cutting edge stuff, its more of an issue to do with supply chains. If you are going to make an SU35, much of the high end requirements are not made within Russia. Not a problem unless you decide to become an international pariah as you just buy these items.

With that said, outside of key industries Russia really doesn't have that many exports of things that are manufactured products, or services. Think about what it is at the moment you can't buy because of sanctions - I'm in the UK and there isn't a single thing I usually buy which I now can't. Maybe if I drank Russian vodka that wouldn't be available, yet that's about it. Flip it round, Russians daily life is being drastically impeded because they cannot access the Western products they import.

This is because the Russian economy is structured more like an African economy rather than a European one. African economies tend to primarily export commodities, then this money is used to import goods. This has a negative impact on local manufacturing because the initial quality of manufacturing is going to be shit compared to imported goods. This in turn limits local economic growth.

Russia when it became the Soviet Union wasn't that much different. They took loans from the US, Europe, then used glorified slave labour to sell commodities to pay for their rapid industrialisation. Which is all fine, except what happened - when the USSR existed these companies were state owned and Western imports were banned and therefore didn't have competition. After the USSR collapsed many of these companies were exposed to Western competition and collapsed as they were inefficient and needed to be state subsidised with a captive market to function.

If Russia had say, invested in its people, further integrated into the Western economy and spent money on things like hospitals, education and other things to help build human capital they may have moved past this reliance on commodities to pay for their existence - but no, they built a huge army, got cut off from the economy and remain a shit tip.
It's brain drain, my dudes. These sorts of specialists can easily find jobs in more pleasant countries, get paid significantly better and not feel like their country could fall apart any day.
 
Hey guys idk if this is too off topic but how is this gonna affect food prices in Europe? Not to power level but let's just say that I have friends there that I am really really concerned about.
EU actually paid farmers not to grow anything on their field to keep the food prices stable, so if do some tweak here and there, it should be fine in Europe. Unless you're in UK, since they're no longer in the EU. That said, it all depends on how quick both the bureaucracy and farmers can keep up with this sudden change

Who are truly fucked though is Africa and Middle East, especially since Ukraine is a major food supplier for that regions. And since those places are poor to begin with, no country's would chose to sell their surplus to them when other wealthier countries are willing to pay more
 

The Russians shot the girls' parents in front of their eyes with the words "We will leave your children alive so that they remember this war and respect the Russians"
On April 5, a Ukrainian woman living in Poland sent a voice message to her friend from Ukraine. We will not veiledly retell and clarify how much the one who recorded this message sobbed. Direct speech:
- Lena, hi. I can not calm down the second day. I sent you a video, I don't know if you understand Polish or not. This girl (author of the video, author's note) — her mother is a volunteer in the hospital. They brought 40 children from Irpin, from Bucha. The oldest is 14 years old. Their parents were shot in front of their eyes. And before the execution, the parents were told that we would leave your children alive so that they would remember this war and respect the Russians. All 14 were raped multiple times and had all their teeth pulled out. It brought these children to Poland.
The information is confirmed by the Polish news portal Wysokieobcasy.
Also today at 4 p.m., Ukrainians managed to find one of the killers from the Russian army, Mikhail Tkach, on the VKontakte social network. He took part in the bloodshed in Bucha. The Ukrainians wrote in his feed that he was a war criminal and executioner, and on his hands was the blood of civilians executed in Bucha. Mikhail Tkach was not at all upset and answered the following:
- B*ich, I'm already on my way to you and will soon fuck you all. As soon as I come to you again, I will cut your heads. Do you understand that I am on your land, and we are killing you, and only you are the smelly walking corpses? And someone is not even walking anymore, I laugh evilly.
We will not comment on anything. Everything is clear here.


Of course official sources needed to confirm if it's true. I don't want it to be.

Children missing
 
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The only way Russia recovers from such a blunder is if Putin steps down from high command, but even that might not be enough, the entire chain of high command might have to leave for anybody to extend any trust toward Russia ever again.
The people around Putin are largely ex-KGB, it would take a wholesale clearout to prevent somebody from the same mould stepping into Putin's place and that would create a dangerous power vacuum. Economically, the large industries (mostly extractive ones) would be best taken back under state control, not cos they'd be run better but cos it would stop vast sums of money being siphoned out of the Russian economy and into the harbour at Saint Tropez.

Unless you're in UK, since they're no longer in the EU. That said, it all depends on how quick both the bureaucracy and farmers can keep up with this sudden change
The UK government hasn't even dealt with Brexit properly yet.
 
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Hey guys idk if this is too off topic but how is this gonna affect food prices in Europe? Not to power level but let's just say that I have friends there that I am really really concerned about.
Europe is a net food exporter. So not at high risk of shortages outside of maybe Albania. The problem that will hit prices is fertilizer. Russia was Europes ready source of cheap fertilizer. Right now Fertilizer prices have trippled. So costs of livestock feed has trippled. This will ripple throughout the European food chain.

This will stabilize and prices will likely begin returning to normal by mid summer, as new sources are found and greater production comes online.
 
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According to this article from what I can understand the Ruskies are starting to put their mobile crematoriums to use in Mariupol to cover up their war crimes. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the case in some of the other cities they still have hold of though I think Azov is still battling the Russians for the city.
Mariupol seems to still be contested, 42 days in. It’s officially beaten out the second battle of Grozny in time spent fighting.
 
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