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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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A rise in wheat prices basically created the Arab Spring. This is a very dangerous thing to ignore.
It did, but this sort of rioting happens every few years in the Middle East. What will be very interesting is whether the Assad regime, whose survival owes nearly everything to the Russian military, will start to totter. The Russians learned a lot of bad lessons there like not having to escort convoys carefully as most of Syria is desert. Turkey is suffering near hyper inflation and Ukraine is live so Bashar might be left alone for now.
 
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Considering sheer food wastage and the amount of crops farmers typically churn into the ground because it doesn't meet hilariously stupid "beauty" requirements any famine in the majority of the world is going to be entirely made by governments or supermarkets trying to carry on business as usual, which a lot of supermarkets and other companies have been quietly moving away from for years. Certainly in the UK where media and social media exposure of companies dumping food into dumpsters at the end of the day have led to a number now offering end of day foodstuffs for hilariously small charges or donation to food banks.

Most farms I'm aware of use treated waste to fertilize fields as well, so we may see some pressures there considering Russias global role in fetilizer production, but again, there are alternative routes to take and use.
 
Considering sheer food wastage and the amount of crops farmers typically churn into the ground because it doesn't meet hilariously stupid "beauty" requirements any famine in the majority of the world is going to be entirely made by governments or supermarkets trying to carry on business as usual, which a lot of supermarkets and other companies have been quietly moving away from for years. Certainly in the UK where media and social media exposure of companies dumping food into dumpsters at the end of the day have led to a number now offering end of day foodstuffs for hilariously small charges or donation to food banks.

Most farms I'm aware of use treated waste to fertilize fields as well, so we may see some pressures there considering Russias global role in fetilizer production, but again, there are alternative routes to take and use.
Now that you reminded me - while Russian fertilizer exports are indeed considerable, Russia is dependent on foreign farm stuff: from bull and horse semen and assorted genetic material to seeds.

If anyone may end up shooting themselves in the foot, that would be Russia.
 
This is because the Russian economy is structured more like an African economy rather than a European one. African economies tend to primarily export commodities, then this money is used to import goods. This has a negative impact on local manufacturing because the initial quality of manufacturing is going to be shit compared to imported goods. This in turn limits local economic growth.

Russia when it became the Soviet Union wasn't that much different. They took loans from the US, Europe, then used glorified slave labour to sell commodities to pay for their rapid industrialisation. Which is all fine, except what happened - when the USSR existed these companies were state owned and Western imports were banned and therefore didn't have competition. After the USSR collapsed many of these companies were exposed to Western competition and collapsed as they were inefficient and needed to be state subsidised with a captive market to function.

If Russia had say, invested in its people, further integrated into the Western economy and spent money on things like hospitals, education and other things to help build human capital they may have moved past this reliance on commodities to pay for their existence - but no, they built a huge army, got cut off from the economy and remain a shit tip.
This is off the mark in a few ways, mainly that in the Soviet Union, medicine, education, etc, were actually pretty decent. Hell, arguably the Soviet education system especially when it came to hard sciences such as physics, mathematics, etc, was actually superior to the Western one. It's just that in Russia, being highly educated wasn't going to magically give you more opportunities so all of that time spent learning and teaching was essentially wasted. Contrast with, for example, America, where even a dumbass who barely got through school could eventually earn a comfortable middle-class income (this is basically part of what The Simpsons was satirizing with Homer working in a power plant).

Russia's modern problems have more to do with what went down in the 90s and while I am loathe to support even a bit of Russia's talking points, the US had a very major part to play in why Russia was so shit during that period. Although Russia's current and future predicament will probably have them nostalgic for the 90s very soon.
 
It did, but this sort of rioting happens every few years in the Middle East. What will be very interesting is whether the Assad regime, whose survival owes nearly everything to the Russian military, will start to totter. The Russians learned a lot of bad lessons there like not having to escort convoys carefully as most of Syria is desert. Turkey is suffering near hyper inflation and Ukraine is live so Bashar might be left alone for now.
Bashar's only "reliable" ally besides Russia is Iran but Iran exceeds at proxy wars and basically nothing else so they can't really save Assad if the rebels decide for Round 2 (especially since Assad is now dealing with frequent riots which you don't hear much about on the news since Syria is economically in the toilet). Turkey's hyper-inflation problems are mostly sorely due to Erdogan's retardation and he's probably only gonna be in office for another year since elections are in 2023 and he has basically zero chance to win (plus this isn't Turkey's first or even second rodeo with an Argentina-tier economy) so that wouldn't stop them but Bashar is fortunate in that Turkey doesn't really give a shit about him as long as the YPG is dead and the Syrian refugees can be resettled back in Idlib. Israel is a bigger issue since without Russia, they might be emboldened to push further and Syria can't really stop them. Also the US media started harping on about Assad again recently so we might get another coup attempt.
One Putintard says Putin was a WEF cuck but is now fighting Globohomo (with soldiers experienced as butt rape pitchers and catchers).
I'm about 50% sure that Putin is a western spy that takes orders to destroy Russia. Seriously. His family is all in the west and I don't think they've been targeted yet.
 
Bashar's only "reliable" ally besides Russia is Iran but Iran exceeds at proxy wars and basically nothing else so they can't really save Assad if the rebels decide for Round 2 (especially since Assad is now dealing with frequent riots which you don't hear much about on the news since Syria is economically in the toilet). Turkey's hyper-inflation problems are mostly sorely due to Erdogan's retardation and he's probably only gonna be in office for another year since elections are in 2023 and he has basically zero chance to win (plus this isn't Turkey's first or even second rodeo with an Argentina-tier economy) so that wouldn't stop them but Bashar is fortunate in that Turkey doesn't really give a shit about him as long as the YPG is dead and the Syrian refugees can be resettled back in Idlib. Israel is a bigger issue since without Russia, they might be emboldened to push further and Syria can't really stop them. Also the US media started harping on about Assad again recently so we might get another coup attempt.

I'm about 50% sure that Putin is a western spy that takes orders to destroy Russia. Seriously. His family is all in the west and I don't think they've been targeted yet.
That would explain the retard directions Russia as taken lately.
 
That would explain the retard directions Russia as taken lately.
Give it 10 years and vatniks and their western enablers will start posting pictures of Putin and Kissinger together claiming how they always knew he was a CIA plant to sabotage the Russkiy Mir.

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Breaking ranks with EU, Hungary says ready to pay for Russian gas in roubles​

Hungary said on Wednesday it was prepared to pay roubles for Russian gas, breaking ranks with the European Union which has sought a united front in opposing Moscow's demand for payment in the currency.
Hungary will pay for shipments in roubles if Russia asks it to, Prime Minister Viktor Orban told a news conference on Wednesday in reply to a Reuters question.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Europe it risks having gas supplies cut unless it pays in roubles as he seeks retaliation over Western sanctions for Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

With weeks go to before bills are due, the European Commission has said that those with contracts requiring payment in euros or dollars should stick to that.
Hungary's Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto earlier said that EU authorities had "no role" to play in its gas supply deal with Russia, which was based on a bilateral contract between units of Hungarian state-owned MVM and of Gazprom.

The European Commission does not comment on declarations from national authorities, a spokesperson said.
Hungary has been one of a few EU member states that have rejected energy sanctions against Moscow in response to the invasion, which Russia terms a "special military operation".
Orban, whose government has pursued close business relations with Moscow for over a decade, swept to power for a fourth consecutive term in elections on Sunday, partly on a pledge to preserve security of gas supply for Hungarian households.

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While Putin's demand has raised hackles in many of Europe's capitals, its governments - which on average rely on Russia for more than a third of their gas - are discussing the issue with energy companies.
On Monday, Slovakia said it will act in unison with the EU, while Poland's dominant gas company PGNiG has maintained that its original contract with Gazprom which expires at the end of this year is binding on both parties.

Austria's OMV (OMVV.VI) and Russia's Gazprom (GAZP.MM) have had initial contact about paying for gas in roubles, a spokesperson for OMV said on Friday, though the government in Vienna said there was no basis for payment in any currency other than euros or dollars.

Ukraine's foreign minister insisted an embargo on Russian gas and oil is needed but the European Union has so far stopped short, while preparing to propose a ban on coal imports and other products.

European buyers are increasing shipments of coal from across the globe against a backdrop of a proposed EU ban on Russian imports and the scramble to relieve tight gas supplies, according to data and shipping sources.

The European Commission’s intention "that there should be some kind of common response from countries importing Russian gas" was not considered necessary, Hungary's Szijjarto said, adding that nations had individually signed bilateral contracts.

"And … no one has a say in how we modify our own contract."

Hungary, which is heavily reliant on Russian gas and oil imports, signed a new long-term gas supply deal last year under which Gazprom is expected to ship 4.5 billion cubic metres of gas annually.
Meanwhile, Putin has discussed expanding Moscow's economic cooperation with Belgrade, including in the energy sector, with his Serbian counterpart Aleksandar Vucic.

Serbia's contract for Russian gas expires on May 31. "Talks about the new contract need to be launched as soon as possible," a statement from Vucic's office said.

Latvia's largest gas trader, which is a third owned by Gazprom, has said it is considering whether it should pay in euros or roubles for Russian gas but a Latvian foreign ministry spokesman said: "Latvia does not support paying in roubles and there has to be a common EU approach."

Lithuania has said it will no longer import Russian gas to meet its domestic needs, becoming the first country in Europe to have secured its independence from Russian supplies.
Russian gas deliveries to Europe via three key pipeline routes were broadly steady overall on Wednesday.


"If the Russians want to be paid in rubles, we will pay in rubles," Hungary's PM Orban says in a press conference."

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We're not getting famines in the US, the heartland can easily provide enough food for about 2/3rds of the world.
 

Finland Joining NATO Means 'Destruction of Their Country': Russian Lawmaker​

A Russian lawmaker has warned that Moscow would retaliate if Finland joins NATO as Russian aggression in Ukraine spurs the Nordic country towards membership of the alliance.

Vladimir Dzhabarov from Russia's upper house, the Federation Council, said that any move by Helsinki to join NATO would be a "strategic mistake."

He said that Finland had developed close ties with Russia but NATO membership would mean "it would become a target."

"I think it [would be] a terrible tragedy for the entire Finnish people," said Dzhabarov.
However, he said that it was unlikely that "the Finns themselves will sign a card for the destruction of their country," in comments reported on Wednesday by Russian state-owned domestic news agency RIA Novosti.

Newsweek has contacted the Russian and Finnish foreign ministries for comment.

It is only the latest threat made to Finland about NATO membership, with the expansion of the alliance towards Russia's borders one of the reasons used by President Vladimir Putin for the war in Ukraine.

Sergei Belyayev, head of the Russian foreign ministry's European department, said in March there would be "serious military and political consequences," should Finland join NATO.

On Tuesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said that Finland, along with its neighbor Sweden would be "welcome" to join the alliance.

Finland shares an 830-mile long border with Russia and was once part of the Russian empire, gaining independence after World War I. The Soviet Union invaded Finland in 1939 in what is known as the Winter War. Following a peace treaty in 1940, the pair clashed again in the Continuation War that began in 1941, just after Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The war lasted until 1944.

In 1948, Finland signed the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance with the Soviet Union recognizing its desire to remain neutral. A new friendship treaty was signed between Helsinki and Moscow in 1992.
 

Finland Joining NATO Means 'Destruction of Their Country': Russian Lawmaker​

A Russian lawmaker has warned that Moscow would retaliate if Finland joins NATO as Russian aggression in Ukraine spurs the Nordic country towards membership of the alliance.

Vladimir Dzhabarov from Russia's upper house, the Federation Council, said that any move by Helsinki to join NATO would be a "strategic mistake."

He said that Finland had developed close ties with Russia but NATO membership would mean "it would become a target."

"I think it [would be] a terrible tragedy for the entire Finnish people," said Dzhabarov.
However, he said that it was unlikely that "the Finns themselves will sign a card for the destruction of their country," in comments reported on Wednesday by Russian state-owned domestic news agency RIA Novosti.

Newsweek has contacted the Russian and Finnish foreign ministries for comment.

It is only the latest threat made to Finland about NATO membership, with the expansion of the alliance towards Russia's borders one of the reasons used by President Vladimir Putin for the war in Ukraine.

Sergei Belyayev, head of the Russian foreign ministry's European department, said in March there would be "serious military and political consequences," should Finland join NATO.

On Tuesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said that Finland, along with its neighbor Sweden would be "welcome" to join the alliance.

Finland shares an 830-mile long border with Russia and was once part of the Russian empire, gaining independence after World War I. The Soviet Union invaded Finland in 1939 in what is known as the Winter War. Following a peace treaty in 1940, the pair clashed again in the Continuation War that began in 1941, just after Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The war lasted until 1944.

In 1948, Finland signed the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance with the Soviet Union recognizing its desire to remain neutral. A new friendship treaty was signed between Helsinki and Moscow in 1992.
Publicly threatened a a neighbor becuase they want to join NATO. How anyone thinks Russia are the "good guys" here is beyond me.
 
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We're not getting famines in the US, the heartland can easily provide enough food for about 2/3rds of the world.
The idea there will be a famine in the West is such a brain-dead take. Food production and farming in the West is geared towards our particular tastes, rather than mere necessity.

Much of the grain production we see is used as feed stock for animals we like to eat, but this is very energy inefficient. If it was between mass starvation and our particular tastes we could shift such production to feeding people in the first instance. Yes, the food would be shit, but it would be better than death

Then let's also take into account rationing. In the UK in WW2, they ensured there was enough for a healthy-ish diet, but rationed products in short supply.

I would bet my life it wouldn't even get this far, not even close, prices will just rise somewhat, point is if things get worse there are many many measures we can put into place to prevent mass starvation.
 
Fun fact: early in the Eastern Front, before Germany switched to wholesale slaughter in death camps, they used similar mobile "gas trucks" to gas people to death. The trucks would literally move from town to town with death squads, mass gassing civilians that the SS marked for death. They later just built gas chambers in camps because it was more efficient.

another fun fact:
mobile gas trucks were invented by commies after the coup in 1917. A truck "duchegubka" (soul killer) simply had a part of the exhaust vented inside the back cabin, essentially suffocating everyone. It was not popular because commies had few trucks and throughput was pretty dismal. Firing squads could work much faster and commies had to "process" tens of thousands in a lot of fairly small places, so no one was waiting for a "gas truck" to come to town.

When commies retreated in 1941, they mass executed political prisoners, wiped out tens of thousands they felt may cooperated with the enemy ... and blamed all that on Nazis. They scorch earthed towns, installations, hydroelectic plants, blew shit up in cities (like Kyiv in 1941) ... and blamed it all on Nazis.

I'm not denying existence of these death trucks, shit, Nazis even experimented with flying saucers, but throughput of these trucks was fairly dismal so I don't know how widespread they were. In one town, where part of my family lived and I heard eye witness accounts, they simply mg-ed thousands of jews in a mass grave and let them all die for a couple of days. Fairly simple "solution".
 
At this point joining NATO immediately isn't a bad idea since Russia can't be trusted to not invade a country if it shows any sort of desire that NATO membership isn't a bad idea.

Also Russia has shown to be a paper tiger since they couldn't capture Kiev and is going to focus on the "separatists" regions so the only way they can destroy Finland for sure is Nukes which would paint a target on Russia by every country if they even think of using them on a non-nuclear country.
 
Now that you reminded me - while Russian fertilizer exports are indeed considerable, Russia is dependent on foreign farm stuff: from bull and horse semen and assorted genetic material to seeds.

If anyone may end up shooting themselves in the foot, that would be Russia.
The ricochet from the foot salvo also seemingly kneecapped China somewhat, it's important to remember that a lot of fertile Ukrainian farmland and farming equipment that's now a bunch of craters and scrap was essentially leased or owned by the Chinese who seem to have panicked a little and are dumping soil over highways in order to turn that into farmland.

 
another fun fact:
mobile gas trucks were invented by commies after the coup in 1917. A truck "duchegubka" (soul killer) simply had a part of the exhaust vented inside the back cabin, essentially suffocating everyone. It was not popular because commies had few trucks and throughput was pretty dismal. Firing squads could work much faster and commies had to "process" tens of thousands in a lot of fairly small places, so no one was waiting for a "gas truck" to come to town.

When commies retreated in 1941, they mass executed political prisoners, wiped out tens of thousands they felt may cooperated with the enemy ... and blamed all that on Nazis. They scorch earthed towns, installations, hydroelectic plants, blew shit up in cities (like Kyiv in 1941) ... and blamed it all on Nazis.

I'm not denying existence of these death trucks, shit, Nazis even experimented with flying saucers, but throughput of these trucks was fairly dismal so I don't know how widespread they were. In one town, where part of my family lived and I heard eye witness accounts, they simply mg-ed thousands of jews in a mass grave and let them all die for a couple of days. Fairly simple "solution".
And I still have no idea what atrocities were actually at the hands of Germans, because most of what I know is from Russian history books where they suck off commie dick.
 
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