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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Yeah, north korea has been a thorn in the ass of the west for decades before it even had nukes but despite having a pretty amazing amount of natural resources and being zero real threat to the US militarily or even with its nukes in all likelihood its still pretty much 100% immune from any real threat of invasion or armed aggression solely due to the decades long headache popping that proverbial pimple will cause the US and especially its allies in the region

If north korea can rest easy with this iron clad security with like a dozen or so crappy and only theoretically functional nukes, then russia aint got shit to worry about in terms of invasion even if fucking china joined NATO.

Its "muh national security" schtick and its obsession with spheres of influence are down entirely to the fact its still in complete delusion of how its a superpower to rival the US and thus must be afforded some special status by the world accordingly despite its pathetic economy, military impotence, and geopolitical isolation, based solely on its unearned superiority complex
One of the problems with North Korea is the same problem with Operation Downfall, Vietnam, or hell, some aspects of the current invasion of Ukraine.

It's one thing to invade a nation that collapses like a $20 pup tent; it's another thing to invade a country where the overwhelming majority of civilians would kill you and where any civilian perceived to be cooperating with the occupying army is going to get strung up.

Trying to take North Korea would involve rolling tanks over mountains of civilian bodies.
 
Giving Ukraine American tanks and aircraft is a terrible idea at the moment. They're an order of magnitude more sophisticated than the T series tanks and MiGs they currently use - they just don't have the time to get trained up with them..
It's absolutely doable if the US/NATO snataches up Ukr Soliders and trains them stateside then sends them back with M1 tanks or other sophisticated equipment. While training someone to be a pilot/tanker from the ground up takes months, cross training a already trained pilot/tanker to a different airframe/tank is a lesser struggle. As we reach past 40 days of this war it seems like a worthwile endavor. I learned how to drive an M113 in less than a month, AFVs are pretty easy to teach compared to MBTs and aircraft and could probably be done safely in Germany or the UK.
 
Some interesting info regarding Putin and the Russian inner workings, that we don’t really get much good info on. From former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. Also a few others including Gen HR McMasters. Regardless of your views on American politics or administrations, it’s some worthwhile information regarding Russia, and what everybody’s goals might be.
 
Yeah, north korea has been a thorn in the ass of the west for decades before it even had nukes but despite having a pretty amazing amount of natural resources and being zero real threat to the US militarily or even with its nukes in all likelihood its still pretty much 100% immune from any real threat of invasion or armed aggression solely due to the decades long headache popping that proverbial pimple will cause the US and especially its allies in the region

whoever pops the pimple has to deal with the puss, occupying army has to supply civs with everything and if there is starvation/whatever, it's on occupying force, so occupying a country is completely retard for any democracy with free press.

One of the problems with North Korea is the same problem with Operation Downfall, Vietnam, or hell, some aspects of the current invasion of Ukraine.

It's one thing to invade a nation that collapses like a $20 pup tent; it's another thing to invade a country where the overwhelming majority of civilians would kill you and where any civilian perceived to be cooperating with the occupying army is going to get strung up.

Trying to take North Korea would involve rolling tanks over mountains of civilian bodies.

propaganda only flows from the top, without commissars civilians don't give a shit if you don't rape/rob/kill them.

Soviet Union, WWII. A lot of towns and villages in Belarus/Russia/Ukraine did not resist Nazi invaders because those invaders were actually more reasonable than commie occupation force (especially in the beginning of the invasion when military just rolled in and over) It was so bad that Soviets parachuted squads behind the enemy lines and executed administration heads and terrorize civs for failure to resist Germans.
 
It's absolutely doable if the US/NATO snataches up Ukr Soliders and trains them stateside then sends them back with M1 tanks or other sophisticated equipment.

I say this respectfully, I'm not trying to start shit with you. Also I don't doubt the Ukrainians are smart and can learn, but this isn't like...4 days to understand the trig that goes into aligning coincidence stereoscopic rangefinders. The gun laying is easy, but everything else in the tank is not. It takes fifteen weeks of a single station training in the tank to learn. There's the driver's position: he's flying a tracked jet plane from a powerplant standpoint. Lots more to focus on than RPM and what gear you're in. There's the commander's position: two words, network-centric. You can drown in input data coming off of the 3 IVIS screens. Then there's working hand in glove with the gunner and understanding the hunter-killer concept (and the Gunner understanding that when the commander lays the gun on a target for him he has to not fight the turret override). Now a lot of basic tanking concepts (fire and maneuver drills, attacking from cover - witness that absolutely homicidal ambush the Ukrainian tank did on that column before calling in a rain of Death Metal - etc.) they absolutely got down pat, don't get me wrong. But learning up on the hardware, I fear, would take them too long, and I wouldn't want their tankers here while shit was going down at home.

Now what absolutely should be done is get every piece of former Pact gear that is a peer match with the Russian stuff and just pour it into Western Ukraine as fast as the trains and transports can get it in there. Little stuff like NLAW, Javelin, etc. etc., yeah, tons of that too.
 

Finland Joining NATO Means 'Destruction of Their Country': Russian Lawmaker​

A Russian lawmaker has warned that Moscow would retaliate if Finland joins NATO as Russian aggression in Ukraine spurs the Nordic country towards membership of the alliance.

Vladimir Dzhabarov from Russia's upper house, the Federation Council, said that any move by Helsinki to join NATO would be a "strategic mistake."

He said that Finland had developed close ties with Russia but NATO membership would mean "it would become a target."

"I think it [would be] a terrible tragedy for the entire Finnish people," said Dzhabarov.
However, he said that it was unlikely that "the Finns themselves will sign a card for the destruction of their country," in comments reported on Wednesday by Russian state-owned domestic news agency RIA Novosti.

Newsweek has contacted the Russian and Finnish foreign ministries for comment.

It is only the latest threat made to Finland about NATO membership, with the expansion of the alliance towards Russia's borders one of the reasons used by President Vladimir Putin for the war in Ukraine.

Sergei Belyayev, head of the Russian foreign ministry's European department, said in March there would be "serious military and political consequences," should Finland join NATO.

On Tuesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said that Finland, along with its neighbor Sweden would be "welcome" to join the alliance.

Finland shares an 830-mile long border with Russia and was once part of the Russian empire, gaining independence after World War I. The Soviet Union invaded Finland in 1939 in what is known as the Winter War. Following a peace treaty in 1940, the pair clashed again in the Continuation War that began in 1941, just after Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The war lasted until 1944.

1948, Finland signed the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance with the Soviet Union recognizing its desire to remain neutral. A new friendship treaty was signed between Helsinki and Moscow in 1992.

Vladimir Dzdabarov is from the Jew Autonomous Oblast and thought the 'referendum' supposedly joining Crimea to Russia was 'impressive.'

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Alleged killing of captured Russians by members of the Georgian Legion in the wake of a successful ambush on retreating Russian. I would note some twit on the other thread characterised the Georgian Legion as 'Reddit Army' when in fact they've been operating since 2014. This ambush on a convoy at Dmytrivka, seven miles SW of Bucha shows they can do the job, but some might be failing to uphold high standards in respect of the Geneva Convention. It certainly seems a crime was committed, obviously not comparable to Bucha, but among the victims were wounded but living men shot repeatedly until dead.

NYT Live thread including the post (it's the NYT so hopefully they actually verified their footage)
 
all right, Ukrainians finally found a real Nazi and it turns out to be a Russian soldier dude

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On another hand, this has been a while in a making and I still have no idea WTF it is. Basically it's a bunch of Russian soldiers who decided to fight against Russians. Fucking bizarrow world.

The flag itself is also becoming a thing, I remember it was first mentioned when Putin had his meeting in Luzhniki. It's a White-Blue-White flag. Supposably it was flag of Novgorod, of the the oldest Slav cities in the north. It also symbolizes Russian flag minus the blood stripe. We'll see if this catches on.

Free Russia batallion. Ukrainian uniforms ... big can of worms, especially that Ukrainians don't have enough heavy gear for their own. At least they pay in real currency and gear is actually decent quality.

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Also, Putin daughters (from his first and legal wife) go under sanctions:

 
The flag itself is also becoming a thing, I remember it was first mentioned when Putin had his meeting in Luzhniki. It's a White-Blue-White flag. Supposably it was flag of Novgorod, of the the oldest Slav cities in the north. It also symbolizes Russian flag minus the blood stripe. We'll see if this catches on.
It was a shitshow on twitter. This flag attracted liberals, kids and genderspecials (or both), who were too stressed out by the red color and very angry Ukrainians. Some Belarusians were pissed off also, because some group had the similar flag or something.

Tbh, there's no point of changing the flag if country's politics and actions are still the same. It's just an ugly part of our history, move on and do better. No pretty flag will do anything, but people can. Also, you can end up in prison for having it on social media or somewhere on your clothes.

I'm intrigued by that new group, though. If they said no to all those retarded commands their liders told them to do, I can respect that. Not hoping for much, but this is still pretty refreshing.
 
I wonder if that's a hint that their buddies may be abandoning them now? Since they didn't seem to fight or make a big scene about suspending them.
I wouldn't say they were abandoning them. The vote was a fairly foregone conslusion, especially after shit like Bucha. Even so the Chinks voted against, and a bunch of others abstained which is about as much as you can expect under the circumstances.

Also on the subject of Russia being kicked out, they're displaying somer serious "you can't fire me because I totally quit" energy:
Speaking after the adoption of the resolution, Deputy Permanent Representative Kuzmin, suddenly stated that Russia had already decided that day, to leave the Council before the end of its term.

It's absolutely doable if the US/NATO snataches up Ukr Soliders and trains them stateside then sends them back with M1 tanks or other sophisticated equipment. While training someone to be a pilot/tanker from the ground up takes months, cross training a already trained pilot/tanker to a different airframe/tank is a lesser struggle. As we reach past 40 days of this war it seems like a worthwile endavor. I learned how to drive an M113 in less than a month, AFVs are pretty easy to teach compared to MBTs and aircraft and could probably be done safely in Germany or the UK.
A far bigger issue than retraining the crews, is training the maintenance and support personnel, and building the necessary infrastructure to supply and maintain them, from scratch, in an active warzone, over a thousands of miles long supply chain.

Also came across this on Twitter which gave me a chuckle, and reminded me I haven't seen this film in forever:

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all right, Ukrainians finally found a real Nazi and it turns out to be a Russian soldier dude

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On another hand, this has been a while in a making and I still have no idea WTF it is. Basically it's a bunch of Russian soldiers who decided to fight against Russians. Fucking bizarrow world.

The flag itself is also becoming a thing, I remember it was first mentioned when Putin had his meeting in Luzhniki. It's a White-Blue-White flag. Supposably it was flag of Novgorod, of the the oldest Slav cities in the north. It also symbolizes Russian flag minus the blood stripe. We'll see if this catches on.

Free Russia batallion. Ukrainian uniforms ... big can of worms, especially that Ukrainians don't have enough heavy gear for their own. At least they pay in real currency and gear is actually decent quality.

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Also, Putin daughters (from his first and legal wife) go under sanctions:

I've seen glimpses of it here and there, like footage of them being trained by Ukrainians. It is bizarre, but makes sense in the end, there's plenty of people in Russia who hates Putin and what he's done with the country. Especially among those who were thrown into the grinder as cannon fodder, I would imagine.
It's nice to see.
It was a shitshow on twitter. This flag attracted liberals, kids and genderspecials (or both), who were too stressed out by the red color and very angry Ukrainians. Some Belarusians were pissed off also, because some group had the similar flag or something.

Tbh, there's no point of changing the flag if country's politics and actions are still the same. It's just an ugly part of our history, move on and do better. No pretty flag will do anything, but people can. Also, you can end up in prison for having it on social media or somewhere on your clothes.

I'm intrigued by that new group, though. If they said no to all those retarded commands their liders told them to do, I can respect that. Not hoping for much, but this is still pretty refreshing.
I personally never particularly liked tricolor, it's kinda gay. Not as gay as the imperial flag that some people propose, but still.
 
all right, Ukrainians finally found a real Nazi and it turns out to be a Russian soldier dude

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On another hand, this has been a while in a making and I still have no idea WTF it is. Basically it's a bunch of Russian soldiers who decided to fight against Russians. Fucking bizarrow world.

The flag itself is also becoming a thing, I remember it was first mentioned when Putin had his meeting in Luzhniki. It's a White-Blue-White flag. Supposably it was flag of Novgorod, of the the oldest Slav cities in the north. It also symbolizes Russian flag minus the blood stripe. We'll see if this catches on.

Free Russia batallion. Ukrainian uniforms ... big can of worms, especially that Ukrainians don't have enough heavy gear for their own. At least they pay in real currency and gear is actually decent quality.

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Also, Putin daughters (from his first and legal wife) go under sanctions:

Flag is fine. Belarus has a similar nationalist one, white red white with a knight on it.
 
I wouldn't say they were abandoning them. The vote was a fairly foregone conslusion, especially after shit like Bucha. Even so the Chinks voted against, and a bunch of others abstained which is about as much as you can expect under the circumstances.

Also on the subject of Russia being kicked out, they're displaying somer serious "you can't fire me because I totally quit" energy:



A far bigger issue than retraining the crews, is training the maintenance and support personnel, and building the necessary infrastructure to supply and maintain them, from scratch, in an active warzone, over a thousands of miles long supply chain.

Also came across this on Twitter which gave me a chuckle, and reminded me I haven't seen this film in forever:

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Now that's a memory. Red Dawn should be required viewing for anyone who thinks war is just peaches.
 
all right, Ukrainians finally found a real Nazi and it turns out to be a Russian soldier dude

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>Swastikas on his back
>Anarchist symbol on his chest

National Anarchists bros...
This sounds like a slip by the Russian camp, probably didn't realize he contradicted the official Russian stance on causalities until it was too late.
 
>Swastikas on his back
>Anarchist symbol on his chest

National Anarchists bros...
I guess that means he wants a country but one with no laws?

Or maybe he got one tattoo after the other? That seems the most likely, the question is which came first.
 
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