Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Echo_Ender]

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It kind of is though.

A rout is a retreat, but a retreat isn't a rout.

A rout is the classic "Enemy breaks your lines and everybody panics and heads for the hills" outcome.

A retreat can be as simple as "An artillery shell took our some of our cover. Fall back to a safer position and continue fighting"

That said, the Russians were thoroughly ROUTED. Stuck-in Russian units were running out of food, ammo, and fuel. All it took was a Ukie push to send them running.

 

[LillWeeb]

2007 was also the year Chris was discovered by the Internet...

Speaking of Facebook Sorry to steer the thread but has anyone else besides me been noticing on the mainstream social media sites has anyone both Fb and Instagram, people just been disappearing from it, like both Fb friends normies and people you met in irl often more then a few times just leaving? I'm not talking about them deactivating thier accounts or unfriending you, but just not online in months and hasn't posted shared or answers a message, let alone leave it on read you would send something and we'll stay on delivered. It like they just walked away. Same with thier other accounts on other social media too . Had y'all noticed a lot of people just walking away from social media very recently?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

A rout is a retreat, but a retreat isn't a rout.

A rout is the classic "Enemy breaks your lines and everybody panics and heads for the hills" outcome.

A retreat can be as simple as "An artillery shell took our some of our cover. Fall back to a safer position and continue fighting"

That said, the Russians were thoroughly ROUTED. Stuck-in Russian units were running out of food, ammo, and fuel. All it took was a Ukie push to send them running.

idk a retreat is what Chesty Puller pulled off masterfully from the Yalu during the Korean War. And there were casualties, but he managed to get a good number of troops out. You could also describe it as "the Chinese routed him" as well. It's just semantics.

 

[UmQasaan]

The thing in Bucha has supposedly been going on for a month, so where are the videos from the city of Russian Soldiers executing hundreds of people in the street? There are only videos of aftermath. Did they magically regain internet access after an entire month?

 

[kuuu]

The thing in Bucha has supposedly been going on for a month, so where are the videos from the city of Russian Soldiers executing hundreds of people in the street? There are only video of aftermath. Did they magically regain internet access after an entire month?

Ruskies stole all their phones. Ukrainian twitter told me so.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Yeah, they did not expect the ENTIRE CAST of their political party to get sanctioned to oblivion. Of course they are nervous, their feeding trough is threatened, but we are talking about the people who first voted to wipe Putin's ass with the constitution in 2020, then tearfully begged him to stay for another 12 years because shitting on the consitution "reset the term" somehow. United Russia is Putin's pet, whe he says "jump" they ask "how high". Communists never recovered after Yeltsin outplayed them with Clinton's money in 1996, and I don't even think we have a nationalist party after Zhirinovsky died yesterday.

Russia needs a man like this for any hope of survival in this cold and cruel world, once Putin buys the farm.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Ruskies stole all their phones. Ukrainian twitter told me so.

Psh, we all know it was the gypsies.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

Psh, we all know it was the gypsies.

The Copper Collector of Kiev.

 

[Echo_Ender]

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Some Chechens doing what they do best - fire an impressive amount of ammo at an unknown target.

Chechen crew is issued truck of ammunition, Chechen crew use truck of ammunition.

I'm almost convinced they're not actually shooting at anything and, like 40k Orks, just like to hear the guns make loud noises.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

The Copper Collector of Kiev.

Scrap metal dealers across Eastern Europe are having an excellent year.

 

[Jarolleon]

Personally I don't give a shit about the Azov Battalion being Neo-Nazi LARPers (especially since the Russians have their own share of Neo-Nazi LARPers) but it does make their unbelievably comical incompetence and the spectacular mental gymnastics both the mainstream media and the ADL perform in order to SIMP for them funnier. I don't see the Azov Battalion as a reincarnation of the Waffen SS, but as a bunch of lolcows on par with r/VolunteersForUkraine with the difference being that Redditors have achieved actual results (such as retaking some hamlets in the northern front).

They wanted to be the SS, but they ended up as the Dirlewanger Brigade, only good at doing atrocities and shit at actual combat?

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

Scrap metal dealers across Eastern Europe are having an excellent year.

God, fucking tell me about it. I live in the middle of a pretty large city, and they'll still blast their scrap metal copy pasta at 7AM and probably wake up a good couple thousand people EVERY. FUCKING. SUNDAY.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

God, fucking tell me about it. I live in the middle of a pretty large city, and they'll still blast their scrap metal copy pasta at 7AM and probably wake up a good couple thousand people EVERY. FUCKING. SUNDAY.

My inner asshole appreciates that level of dickishness. The part of me that needs sleep would probably take some potshots at their speakers.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

They wanted to be the SS, but they ended up as the Dirlewanger Brigade, only good at doing atrocities and shit at actual combat?

Got gay married too.

 

[Autopsy]

Biggest issue Russia faces is they only sent 200k troops max and seem dead set on not committing more Russian troops (Mercs and Chechens are free game however), assuming they sent that max of 200k, it's not a leap at all to assume at least 25k of those are either dead, wounded, or captured at this point, might even be conservative depending on who you believe.

Russia has been actively modernizing, which means getting rid of random wankers off the street and forming armed, equipped, trained battalions, emulating the NATO model.
They progressively redid officer rankings, supply, and maintenance, but clearly fucked up on all levels. This is in the wake of Soviet armaments becoming decrepit and massive corruption, so the downsizing was very important to making their standing army affordable again. Regardless, without tapping the Russian navy, their standing army is only about 300,000 soldiers. Russia isn't dead set on not committing more Russian troops, it is staring down the barrel of instituting a draft for what is still officially "not a war."

The Ukraine invasion has been compared repeatedly to Desert Storm to highlight how hard Russia has fucked up, and how stacked Ukraine is with infantry anti-armor weaponry, but it is also a parallel in that Desert Storm "sold" the idea of the coalition so strongly that it was barely challenged for decades. That one operation went so smoothly and indomitably that it looked like no effort could repel it. This round in Ukraine was supposed to do that, and in 2014 Russia had success with their new tactics, but Ukraine adjusted appropriately over the past years and instead this war is becoming another Chechnya, another Georgia, etc.
No matter if Putin stays in or the oligarchs have him shoot himself in the back of the head and put in a new guy, the Russian army is going to undergo a fifth "modernization" in a few years. Presumably that effort will start with executing whoever has been embezzling the track and tire fund.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

1) I'm speaking of possibilities, not certainties in that post. I'm suggesting "maybe this", and you're asking "why are you certain of this?"

You said "Russia's losses are much closer to the estimates done by the US - or worse the estimates done by Ukraine".

So, I thought that was a statement of certainty on your part, my mistake.

2) There's enough video and satellite evidence alone to make some educated guesses, and the US is certainly going to have credible sources on the ground as well, as well as other countries. That's enough to make informed estimates and judge some estimates as more credible than others. That we'll need to wait for the shooting to stop and the dust to settle to get firm final estimates is not a reason to entirely disregard interim estimates when speculating.

But you haven't actually watched all of the video and satellite evidence and pored through all of the data; the US has no "credible sources" that we can rely on, as they've proven to openly, bald-faced lie at every opportunity with every conflict, repeatedly, as have the Ukrainians and Russians.

We have no idea what is going on regarding casualties, everything is suspect at this point. I'm open to any actual facts proving anything, this is just a friendly reminder that truth is usually the first casualty in war.

 

[mr.moon1488]

They wanted to be the SS, but they ended up as the Dirlewanger Brigade, only good at doing atrocities and shit at actual combat?

It's probably going to end up working out for them about the same way the Dirlewanger Brigade did. I've never really liked the idea of units like that in any military structure even if you are desperate. At the very least they should be split up and then attached to regular units.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Speaking of Facebook Sorry to steer the thread but has anyone else besides me been noticing on the mainstream social media sites has anyone both Fb and Instagram, people just been disappearing from it, like both Fb friends normies and people you met in irl often more then a few times just leaving? I'm not talking about them deactivating thier accounts or unfriending you, but just not online in months and hasn't posted shared or answers a message, let alone leave it on read you would send something and we'll stay on delivered. It like they just walked away. Same with thier other accounts on other social media too . Had y'all noticed a lot of people just walking away from social media very recently?

Because it gets boring plus all the meaningless black box nigger lives pandering and finding out some of the folks in my friends list were oblivious fucktards, I decided leave.

I left instagram as well since it just makes things more depressing since people mostly share the good stuff about their lives, which gives a false perception that one's own life has gone to shit and boring.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

It's probably going to end up working out for them about the same way the Dirlewanger Brigade did. I've never really liked the idea of units like that in any military structure even if you are desperate. At the very least they should be split up and then attached to regular units.

The original concept of using poachers was actually a pretty good one imo, they're going to have pretty good outdoorsman skills, which is a plus. It goes to shit when you just empty out an insane asylum and tell them to go crazy.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Biggest issue Russia faces is they only sent 200k troops max and seem dead set on not committing more Russian troops (Mercs and Chechens are free game however), assuming they sent that max of 200k, it's not a leap at all to assume at least 25k of those are either dead, wounded, or captured at this point, might even be conservative depending on who you believe.

It is easy to have hundreds of thousands of troops, it is hard to support the maximum amount during an operation. You need to wait for them to die before you can add more once you hit logistical caps. Defenders get a clear advantage when it comes to this concept. China has millions of potential troops but can they afford to effectively support them all at the same time for any long stretches of time? probably not. Immense Manpower is an old concept that has been losing favor since WW1. Now funding and technology is what reigns supreme on the modern day battlefield.