Culture Oklahoma enacts total abortion ban - Zygotes are now fully human

Oklahoma lawmakers have approved a bill that would make performing an abortion a felony except in the case of a medical emergency.

It's the latest conservative legislature to approve a new restriction on abortion, as Republican-led states across the country push to limit reproductive rights.

The recent wave of bills restricting abortion comes as the country awaits the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in a landmark reproductive rights case. Some legal experts predict the conservative court could weaken or even overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in the first two trimesters of pregnancy guaranteed in Roe v. Wade.

"The only person who should have the power to decide whether you need an abortion is you — no matter where you live, or how much money you make," Tamya Cox-Touré, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said in a statement after the bill was passed. "But Oklahoma is facing an abortion access crisis that poses an immediate threat to our community's health and reproductive freedom."

What the Oklahoma bill would do​

The legislation, SB-612, prohibits people in Oklahoma from performing abortions unless they are doing so to "save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency."

A person convicted under the bill would be guilty of a felony and could face a fine up to $100,000 or a maximum 10-year prison sentence.

A pregnant woman could not be charged with a crime for having an abortion.

The Oklahoma House approved the measure by a 70-14 vote on Tuesday. It had been approved by the Senate in March of last year.

"Senate Bill 612 is the strongest pro-life legislation in the country right now, which effectively eliminates abortion in Oklahoma," Republican State Sen. Nathan Dahm, one of the bill's authors, said in a statement.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kevin Stitt for his signature. The Republican has previously said that he would sign all anti-abortion bills the legislature sends him, according to NPR member station KOSU.

Stitt's office did not respond to a request for comment from NPR.

In March, the Oklahoma House passed a bill that would ban many abortions and allow private citizens to file civil lawsuits against anyone who performed an abortion, a legal framework similar to a Texas law.

After that law took effect in Texas in September, Oklahoma reportedly saw a surge in women from Texas seeking abortions. Nearly half of the patients being seen by Oklahoma providers are from Texas, the ACLU said.

GOP lawmakers are counting on Roe to be overturned​

Although the Oklahoma bill will most certainly invite a legal challenge if it becomes law, experts say the measure's supporters are likely unmoved by that prospect.

"I think that this is just a reflection of the fact that lawmakers in Oklahoma, as in much of the country, are pretty confident that the Supreme Court is going to overrule Roe and that it's just a matter of time until a law like this can go into effect," Mary Ziegler, visiting professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, told NPR.

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Ziegler said the law may even be blocked from being enforced in the short term, but that Republican lawmakers in Oklahoma are likely counting on the Supreme Court to toss out Roe in the summer, clearing the way for such a law to take effect.

"They may lose the battle but they will think that they're going to win the war," Ziegler said.

Even as the constitutional right to an abortion has remained in place, states have left pre-Roe abortion bans in place or passed "trigger" laws that would prohibit the procedure if the Supreme Court ever allowed states to make that decision. More recently, lawmakers in conservative states from Alabama to Idaho to Arizona have passed new restrictions on abortion.

Laws criminalizing abortion used to be common​

Some states are passing laws that would be enforced by private citizens filing civil lawsuits, while others like Oklahoma make performing an abortion a crime.

Laws that explicitly criminalize performing an abortion were common at the end of the 19th century, Ziegler said. "At one point in time almost every state had such a law," he said.

But that changed in the 1960s and 1970s as advocates pushed to repeal such restrictions in the years before the Roe decision, which ultimately guaranteed the constitutional right to an abortion nationwide.

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My personal issues with one group or another don't extend to a vendetta against their offspring. It's pretty fucking cowardly to deal with your problems by encouraging people to kill their babies.
well, you really don't have to encourage them
these days, their children even self-abort at 12-14 in murder-suicides
 
Enough. Nature fucks up all the time. Consider being the parent to this:

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I'm not exactly for abortion unless it's necessary but the people saying whores should be forced to have them just for being whores is fucked up. You want some one who doesn't want have a kid to be forced into caring for one? Or are all of you adopting as many kids as you can? You going to pay for the kids therapy when said whore pimps out the kid for some extra cash? You all talk about it being 'a life' but don't actually seem to give a shit about how that kids life is likely to end up
 
You want to make a woman carry a brainless child to term?

I know a couple people who have had to pull the plug at 4-5 months and it's fucking brutal, but dragging it out for months on end and then getting stuck with a million-dollar hospital bill for a baby who was never going to make it in the first place doesn't seem like a better option to me, maybe it does to you.
Don't convince some rando on the farms, you should try to change the mind of the voters of Oklahoma.
 
Ensuring there's 50 million more blacks voting Democrat in 30 years to own the libs

But seriously abortion is some fucked up shit I don't accept that there was a point in my existence that I wasn't human and had no rights and I guess the stork magically switched the non-human me with the human me the instant I wasn't inside my mom's body anymore. Nobody noticed it flying into the delivery room for the ole switcheroo
Jesse Owens the Olympian medal winner pointed out to a Republican rally in 1937 and interviews that Hitler treated him with far more respect than FDR. Hitler waved when he had to depart, it wasn't in disgust at a black man winning and later send Owens an inscribed photo later. FDR sent not even a telegram. The point is despite LBJ's belief that welfare would secure the blacks vote forever, the GOP could keep plugging at getting the votes of more educated blacks.
 
Ensuring there's 50 million more blacks voting Democrat in 30 years to own the libs

But seriously abortion is some fucked up shit I don't accept that there was a point in my existence that I wasn't human and had no rights and I guess the stork magically switched the non-human me with the human me the instant I wasn't inside my mom's body anymore. Nobody noticed it flying into the delivery room for the ole switcheroo
Would you call an egg moments after being fertilized an human?
 
Either you believe that life begins at conception, or you believe the eugenics is moral and correct.

There is no middle ground.
Or you could hold both. Life begins at conception but some lives are "more equal" than others.

Edit: the GOP is out to lose the midterms? I mean, abortion is popular. Things like this could be bad for our chances in November.
 
You want to make a woman carry a brainless child to term?

I know a couple people who have had to pull the plug at 4-5 months and it's fucking brutal, but dragging it out for months on end and then getting stuck with a million-dollar hospital bill for a baby who was never going to make it in the first place doesn't seem like a better option to me, maybe it does to you.
That is because you have never had an abortion performed. Acting like abortions do not harm the women who engage in them is ridiculous.

Adult women rarely commit suicide, except in the three year time frame after they have an abortion performed. It is a traumatic experience.

If you give birth to a kid that is effectively dead, you can bury it, grieve, and move on. But if you kill it, it will haunt you forever.
 
How often will these come up though?
Plus most of those cases will die on their own in a short time after birth.

2x'd due to my shit network. Sorry.
It’s not common but it does happen and such babies can live a while in everything from being unable to feel anything to untreatable pain. I’d be in favour of a general ban with exceptions for serious threats to maternal health/life. Also rape, incest and severe deformity. The irony there being that most things like that are babies people want and are desperately sad when they find such an abnormality.
Banning contraception though? Oooft. That’ll be a tough sell, because it will fundamentally change society
 
That is because you have never had an abortion performed. Acting like abortions do not harm the women who engage in them is ridiculous.

Adult women rarely commit suicide, except in the three year time frame after they have an abortion performed. It is a traumatic experience.

If you give birth to a kid that is effectively dead, you can bury it, grieve, and move on. But if you kill it, it will haunt you forever.
Nice, bring on the roastie holocaust. No beef left unroasted
 
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Remember the Ohio scandal where they wanted to reimplant ectopic pregnancies or else it was murder?
Specifically, they wanted you to try, if possible.

If it's not possible, that should be the end of the conversation, because nobody's actually being forced to do the impossible. But pro-choice proponents think this is an example of legislators not knowing what they're talking about when it's more of legislators being exhaustive in their statutes.
 
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