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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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what are you brining by just posting screenshots? You are not even posting the full articles.
anyway, there are some shakeups in Russian command.
A Western official has confirmed Russia has reorganised the command of its operations in Ukraine, with the new general having had extensive experience in battle operations in Syria.

The source said the commander of Russia’s southern military district, Gen Alexander Dvornikov, now leads the invasion.

“That particular commander has a lot of experience of operations of Russian operations in Syria. So we would expect the overall command and control to improve,” the source said.

The new instatement was done in an attempt to improve coordination between various units, as Russian groups had previously been organised and commanded separately, the official said.

Russia has so far struggled to achieve its war aims 44 days into the invasion, failing to capture major cities such as Kyiv before eventually turning its sights to the Donbas region in the east.

The official said Russian tactics had seen them held back by smaller numbers of Ukrainian units acting more intelligently and with surprise - despite Russia being thought to have a "substantial" force of slightly fewer than 100 operational battalion tactical groups,

“Unless Russia is able to change its tactics, it's very difficult to see how they succeed in even these limited objectives that they've reset themselves," the official said.

The official added political imperatives might take precedence over military priorities, with Russia pushing forward to get some kind of success ahead of 9 May, when the country marks victory in World War Two.
 
What a fucking joke the Russian armed forces turned out to be. Imagine if the US waited a month into Desert Storm to appoint General Schwarzkopf as the Commander of allied Operations.
 
What a fucking joke the Russian armed forces turned out to be. Imagine if the US waited a month into Desert Storm to appoint General Schwarzkopf as the Commander of allied Operations.
Imagine if in OIF the US retreated from Baghdad entirely after a month and claimed it was all a feint to take Basra which they still haven't taken and neocons coped about how they never wanted to take over the whole country but just wanted to get rid of the WMDs.
 
Understandable? Certainly. I find a lot of views understandable. What is it you would assert makes Russia absolute evil?
Brazen assertion by Russian state that Russia fights for justice and well-being of its citizens and mankind, while with each successive iteration, it has introduced concepts that have massively contributed to creation of what counter-cultural contrarians call a very nebulous term "globohomo"? The fact that Russia has subjugated peoples for centuries but refuses to even apologize for its sins and all more willing to perpetuate more of them? The fact that it doesn't really oppose the aforementioned "globohomo" in way but performative? The fact that the Russian state pretends to belong to European culture but has always been built on cruelty and oppression matched only by Asian despots.
 
Imagine if in OIF the US retreated from Baghdad entirely after a month and claimed it was all a feint to take Basra which they still haven't taken and neocons coped about how they never wanted to take over the whole country but just wanted to get rid of the WMDs.
If only the US had that Russian military genius Russiaboos claim we're missing out on during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

  1. The 82nd and 101st Airborne get dropped into Saddam international unsupported several times and destroyed on live feed.
  2. Coalition forces constantly beaten back and at Nasiriyah, a week one objective. Iraqi Republican Guard constantly destroy SAS and Delta Force detachments dispatched to secure objectives
  3. Weeks into the war reports come of stranded American M1 and M2 crewmen abandoning their tanks, getting captured as well as the Iraqi Army reusing American armored vehicles
  4. American bases in Kuwait are hit by SCUD missiles and Artillery units, the US Army is confirmed to have lost at least 20 AH-64 helicopters to ground fire alone
  5. Several USAF F-15, F-16 and at least one F-22 is destroyed by ground based AA and Iraqi pilots using dated R23 missiles in airframes 30 years older than the pilots using them
  6. 9 Coalition Generals are killed in action, along with 10s of bird and light bird Colonels.
  7. Bush Jr, paranoid and on edge, locks himself at NORAD, several members of three letter agencies are arrested
  8. A US Naval LMSR ship is lost to Iraqi SCUD attack, along with several million dollars in military hardware burn up in flames
  9. Hundreds of photos of US military dead surface on the internet, left to die on Iraqi highways, later LMTVs, HEMTTs and M35 trucks are seen retreating into Kuwait with war loot, rather than fallen soldiers
  10. Footage of Coalition forces issued expired MREs, Coalition forces resort to stealing food from Iraqis and even eating house pets
  11. Iraqi HINDs slip past coalition SHORAD umbrellas and strike Kuwaiti oil reserves
 
@Vince McMahon Not doing the quote-breakdown response because I'm done, you're the one who acts in bad faith and seems to read things I didn't say. You do this with everyone who doesn't suck Ukraine dick.
The screenshots are not pro-Russian. @Wy4M posted relevant content he found along with context to the content and the source. @Feline Supremacist posted memes you dip.

Does it have to be said we like to make fun of the Chechens? They've been called orcs multiple times and people laugh at them wasting 6 gorillion rounds of ammo on empty buildings. Supposedly we need to add disclaimers to our posts about chechens, news, and buchanka-chan else it's in support of the invasion.

Even if it was as you say, people who aren't threadbanned could call it out for what it is and share their thoughts on posting (alleged) dead Azov guys or an obvious pro-Russian Z picture with no comment.
 
Imagine if in OIF the US retreated from Baghdad entirely after a month and claimed it was all a feint to take Basra which they still haven't taken and neocons coped about how they never wanted to take over the whole country but just wanted to get rid of the WMDs.
Would've made more sense than what they ended up doing.
 
@Vince McMahon Not doing the quote-breakdown response because I'm done, you're the one who acts in bad faith and seems to read things I didn't say. You do this with everyone who doesn't suck Ukraine dick.
The screenshots are not pro-Russian. @Wy4M posted relevant content he found along with context to the content and the source. @Feline Supremacist posted memes you dip.

Does it have to be said we like to make fun of the Chechens? They've been called orcs multiple times and people laugh at them wasting 6 gorillion rounds of ammo on empty buildings. Supposedly we need to add disclaimers to our posts about chechens, news, and buchanka-chan else it's in support of the invasion.

Even if it was as you say, people who aren't threadbanned could call it out for what it is and share their thoughts on posting (alleged) dead Azov guys or an obvious pro-Russian Z picture with no comment.
Dude you're being so disingenuous. All those thread regulars constantly repost /pol/tard talking points about how the evil subhuman hohols are framing Russia and Russia dindu nuffin wrong when not posting irrelevant garbage or getting offended wrongthinkers entered THEIR thread.
 
If only the US had that Russian military genius Russiaboos claim we're missing out on during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

  1. The 82nd and 101st Airborne get dropped into Saddam international unsupported several times and destroyed on live feed.
  2. Coalition forces constantly beaten back and at Nasiriyah, a week one objective. Iraqi Republican Guard constantly destroy SAS and Delta Force detachments dispatched to secure objectives
  3. Weeks into the war reports come of stranded American M1 and M2 crewmen abandoning their tanks, getting captured as well as the Iraqi Army reusing American armored vehicles
  4. American bases in Kuwait are hit by SCUD missiles and Artillery units, the US Army is confirmed to have lost at least 20 AH-64 helicopters to ground fire alone
  5. Several USAF F-15, F-16 and at least one F-22 is destroyed by ground based AA and Iraqi pilots using dated R23 missiles in airframes 30 years older than the pilots using them
  6. 9 Coalition Generals are killed in action, along with 10s of bird and light bird Colonels.
  7. Bush Jr, paranoid and on edge, locks himself at NORAD, several members of three letter agencies are arrested
  8. A US Naval LMSR ship is lost to Iraqi SCUD attack, along with several million dollars in military hardware burn up in flames
  9. Hundreds of photos of US military dead surface on the internet, left to die on Iraqi highways, later LMTVs, HEMTTs and M35 trucks are seen retreating into Kuwait with war loot, rather than fallen soldiers
  10. Footage of Coalition forces issued expired MREs, Coalition forces resort to stealing food from Iraqis and even eating house pets
  11. Iraqi HINDs slip past coalition SHORAD umbrellas and strike Kuwaiti oil reserves
Pfft, pathetic decadent westerns simply do not understand superior Soviet strategy.
 
Brazen assertion by Russian state that Russia fights for justice and well-being of its citizens and mankind, while with each successive iteration, it has introduced concepts that have massively contributed to creation of what counter-cultural contrarians call a very nebulous term "globohomo"? The fact that Russia has subjugated peoples for centuries but refuses to even apologize for its sins and all more willing to perpetuate more of them? The fact that it doesn't really oppose the aforementioned "globohomo" in way but performative? The fact that the Russian state pretends to belong to European culture but has always been built on cruelty and oppression matched only by Asian despots.
You keep calling people contrarian for opposing that which is directly against their interests. Opposing corruption is not contrarianism.

Globohomo is a nebulous term because it has to be. It is a pejorative for an international network of organizations which can be described as having globalist ideals. The public isn't typically privy to the deals people make at the EU and the UN or that multinational corporations make with each other and people involved in bodies like these. They say they want peace while continually dehumanizing and subjugating the populace underneath them, slowly forcing them to accept more indignities and a slow loss of humanity. They cause wars either through provocation or maintaining obscurity and do it in the name of taking resources and power of any nation that does not fall in line with them.

Fun fact: Russia invented Marxism but cultural Marxism (or critical (race) theory today) was something that came from Europe through things like Frankfurt School and Gramsci.

My question to you is would it matter to you if these international forces were more evil? If Russia standing against them were ultimately good for society and it were proven they were entirely provoked, would you not still hate them because it was their bombs dropped on Ukraine?
 
You keep calling people contrarian for opposing that which is directly against their interests. Opposing corruption is not contrarianism.

Globohomo is a nebulous term because it has to be. It is a pejorative for an international network of organizations which can be described as having globalist ideals. The public isn't typically privy to the deals people make at the EU and the UN or that multinational corporations make with each other and people involved in bodies like these. They say they want peace while continually dehumanizing and subjugating the populace underneath them, slowly forcing them to accept more indignities and a slow loss of humanity. They cause wars either through provocation or maintaining obscurity and do it in the name of taking resources and power of any nation that does not fall in line with them.

Fun fact: Russia invented Marxism but cultural Marxism (or critical (race) theory today) was something that came from Europe through things like Frankfurt School and Gramsci.

My question to you is would it matter to you if these international forces were more evil? If Russia standing against them were ultimately good for society and it were proven they were entirely provoked, would you not still hate them because it was their bombs dropped on Ukraine?
It's all a massive fucking strawman, exactly the sort of shit he pointed out countless times. How is this drivel any different from any other "muh globohomo" take? What does it fucking have to do with Ukraine and Russia?
You people completely disregard underlying historical context and inject your retarded poltard logic instead. It might make sense to you, but to me it looks completely deranged.
Without spending much time and getting to the good stuff:

Irrelevant Garbage:

Russia Dindu Nuffins, It's always the Ukrainians doing false flags:
Who's this lying nigger? Russia has Tochka-U, used them in 2008, gave them to "separatists", and even supplied them to Syria, they're still being used.
It's perfect for use by them in this conflict for plausible deniability, false flags, and not at all improbable just because they're old, since we've seen Russian use fucking museum pieces and a whole bunch of other old shit already.
 
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Frankly, only pro-Ukrainian stuff is allowed in this thread. I posted The Chieftain video and a breakdown of it (to spare viewing if preferred) and not one person bothered to discuss a US Army Lt Colonel's take on what he's seen from the conflict up to the date of that video, particularly with regards to armor. My guess is because he wasn't explicitly pro-Ukrainian and celebrating their epic victories, instead pointing out the editing and reality of some of the clips and pics he's seen from his perspective as a US Army tanker.
This may have been viewed as pro-Russian, even though he's a US Army officer and criticizes Russia the very same.

Not that I care if anyone pays attention to any particular video, it's just an example of an established pattern. This thread isn't for discussing news in a general sense, it's for discussing a specific slant. Then when people choose not to participate because you won't let them, you make fun of them amongst yourselves.
Sorry no one watched your video bro.

It is not that the thread is Pro-Ukrainian entirely - no one that I saw that blatantly ignoring the war crimes from the Ukrainian side where they were executing Russia prisoners - nor is everyone going around beating off Zelensky. It is just no one wants to hear some Russophile rightoid nonsense coping about how "it's just a feint bro" or "they are sending in cannon fodder first", "NATO expansion that wasnt even on the cards!!"

The thread is pro-Ukrainian in that they aren't the aggressor, the war is completely unnecessary aggression by Russia, the Russian military despite it's superiority in materiel is incompetent and the vast majority of war crimes and indiscriminate bombing of civilians and civilian infrastructure which is against LOAC has been carried out by Russia. Funny people will support one side over the other given all that, damn biased media!

That does not mean that the thread is blind to the potential for Russian success in the Donbas, but so far that is where it is now limited to. Even in the Southern Front near Kherson the Ukrainians are pushing them back, and elsewhere they have been stalled.
 
Without spending much time and getting to the good stuff:

Irrelevant Garbage:


Russia Dindu Nuffins, It's always the Ukrainians doing false flags:
Shitposting in a Happenings thread? Oh no! We'll cease кот-posting and jokes made at the expense of Poles.

The passports is in regards to an image with conflicting edits no one can verify, you're welcome to if you'd like.
Missile questioning, particularly with the nomenclature in an news article (incorrect Iskander claim still referenced) is the context needed overall for the last series, I think, but for full context.
  • Claims the "shots" are from Belarus, meaning the clips linked
  • Clarifies that Ukrainian officials claiming it was an Iskander missile (which they did do) was misleading since it is obviously a Tochka U (pics were provided previously in the thread)
  • Clarifies why he believes the Ukraine government is lying
    • I believe you included his quote conceding Russians still have Tochkas..
If this is what you people interpret as pro-Russian then no wonder you see it so much.
 
It's all a massive fucking strawman, exactly the sort of shit he pointed out countless times. How is this drivel any different from any other "muh globohomo" take? What does it fucking have to do with Ukraine and Russia?
You people completely disregard underlying historical context and inject your retarded poltard logic instead. It might make sense to you, but to me it looks completely deranged.
Historic context matters a little. Current political reasons matter a lot more. If you are ignorant to that then you could use being more than a little more "deranged."
 
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