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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You know, before this whole shit conflict started I would have probably heard your globohomo bullshit, I've always thought that both political sides had a point somewhere deep within their bullshit.

But you are genuinely justifying the rape of children because "MUH GLOBOHOMO"

Re-read all your shit, you are saying that raping children is okay because something you don't like is being harmed, you are saying that raping children is a tool against something you dislike. The Absolute State of the Modern Right.
Literally nobody said this.
 
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Nah im saying that in fucked up place where Globohomo rapes children and Russia rapes children unless you get the optimal outcome of both Globohomo and Russia destroying each other, then you can just try to take course that will result in less raped children and hope you made right choice. I fully acknowladge that world in which we have to choose who rapes Children less is fucked up world, but i wasnt the one who built that world.
Oh! So the rape of children is okay! Yeah, I get you totally!

This is so fucking good, bros! Russia is raping children and the Globohomo is being harmed by this! Globohomo also rapes children so by default it's also okay for Russia to rape children, right bro?
 
It isn't weakening the left at all. The longer this war goes, the more the Left has a stronghold on politics, since stupid right-wingers like you are cheering for the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany. If Ukraine falls, then the Left has a martyr. If Ukraine wins, which is the more likelier situation now, then the Left can proudly say their efforts turned the tide. Which means no matter what, Putin has destroyed any prospects of a major right-wing political victory for years to come.

and if there is long stalemate ? if there is no martyr but no victory in sight ? All the while there is rampant inflation, drop in quality of life, rise in price along with another migrant wawe ? you would be right if this was 2014, but while Putin definitely screwed up here and not invading would be optimal, you have to make do with situation you have not one you wish to have.
 
Fun fact: Russia invented Marxism but cultural Marxism (or critical (race) theory today) was something that came from Europe through things like Frankfurt School and Gramsci.
Neither Russia nor the Frankfurt school invented Marxism, both of those came from, surprise, suprise, KARL FUCKING MARX. Cultural Marxism is just a fancy umbrella term for those specific points of Marxism that right-wing pundits took issue with, which also originated with Karl Marx, but the term was invented by the American right.
 
Oh! So the rape of children is okay! Yeah, I get you totally!

This is so fucking good, bros! Russia is raping children and the Globohomo is being harmed by this! Globohomo also rapes children so by default it's also okay for Russia to rape children, right bro?

I said that both rape, Russia rapes less, i would love to be in optimal position where both get destroyed.
 
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You know, before this whole shit conflict started I would have probably heard your globohomo bullshit, I've always thought that both political sides had a point somewhere deep within their bullshit.

But you are genuinely justifying the rape of children because "MUH GLOBOHOMO"

Re-read all your shit, you are saying that raping children is okay because something you don't like is being harmed, you are saying that raping children is a tool against something you dislike. The Absolute State of the Modern Right.

Oh! So the rape of children is okay! Yeah, I get you totally!

This is so fucking good, bros! Russia is raping children and the Globohomo is being harmed by this! Globohomo also rapes children so by default it's also okay for Russia to rape children, right bro?
I hear you I used to agree with alot of the Globohomo crowd until recently when they decided to make excuses for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Fucking hell I been calling Biden a pedo on the Biden thread and been calling out the disgusting raping of childern by Russians on this thread. You still don't see me trying to justify Russia's crimes.
 
Oh! So the rape of children is okay! Yeah, I get you totally!

This is so fucking good, bros! Russia is raping children and the Globohomo is being harmed by this! Globohomo also rapes children so by default it's also okay for Russia to rape children, right bro?
Child Rape Parity, new geopolitical term, courtesy of Kiwi Farms.
 
This invasion yes, Putin pursued his own interests(Im fully aware thats the only reason he is supporting movements against Globohomo and would stab those movements in the back if it was advantageous and he was able) and Globohomo benefited from this strategic move, but what will happen if Ukraine supported by Left and Neoliberals lose ? all the while the destruction of Ukraine Agriculture and much smaller exports of Russian Wheat fucks up Africa and causes another wawe of rapefugees ? It would weaken Left it would show them as weak too focused on consooming , too degenerate to be able to properly govern. But yeah if Russia loses then the entire Russian invasion Will strenghten globohomo.

What you expect me to be Cherleeader Russia can do no wrong ? Im just looking at strategic picture.
Hold up, hold up, are you actively arguing that Russia winning and occupying Ukraine while also getting fucked by sanctions, causing even more problems in the world economy, which will cause more African rapefugees is ultimately optimal because it will cause the Left to be shown up as weak and incompetent (more than they already are apparently)? And what if the Left doesn't shit the bed and manages to navigate such a catastrophe well enough? What then?

This is some weird capeshit-tier logic you have there.
 
Guy says "hmm I don't 100% agree with sending in tanks n stuff" and is treated like he said he wants Ukraine to lose, even though he clearly expects them to win.
The reason Ukraine does look like they can win is because the west is sending in loads of supplies like that. If you cut off those supplies then Ukraine would lose, due to lack of materials and morale. So saying such supplies shouldn’t be sent may not mean you ‘want’ them to lose, but it does mean you don’t see it worth helping then win.

You then have the issue of “escalation”, which means something different to different people. If you think Russia can match the west tit for tat for all the support it’s giving Ukraine and still overpower it then snowball into done larger conflict, then you’re being delusional since it’s already been shown Russia has been pushed back.

If by escalation you mean more devastation for Ukraine, then it can be pointed out how Ukrainians have been kidnapped and sent deep into Russia, there’s the mass thievery by people not used to indoor plumbing, and the possible baby rape, so it doesn’t make sense to suggest it’d cause less devastation to let Russia do whatever it wants there.

But I don’t know what your really wanting or imagining others should see your position as (or any other sort of Ukraine skeptics’). It often seems like they keep their position vague since it’s hard to explain why giving less material support to Ukraine is worthwhile. Like here, you say you expect Ukraine to win, but then question sending them weapons to ensure that. So what support should Ukraine be getting if any? Or if none then why would that help the Ukrainian people?

Edit: I guess my point is people are making this into a game of 20 questions to guess what it is they think should be done in regards to Ukraine rather than being up front and saying what it is. There is no perfect outcome where no one is hurt and average people in the west won't deal with paying a few dollars more at the grocery store (especially since a lot of price increases are due to Coronavirus restrictions), so anyone proposing there's a way everything just "goes back to normal" is being fanciful. There's no magic bullet and not sending bullets doesn't mean whatever suffering happening in the region will be lessened.

Personally I think the best outcome right now is arm Ukraine so they can overwhelm the Russians and push them out of their territory. Ukraine doesn't get raped to death then, Russia gets boxed in with sanctions until they're willing to play nice with others (or just become dependent on China/India), and everyone else adjusts for a bit to avoid having to support a weirdo totalitarian regime.
 
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Again you are confusing "this is not as important as current events" with "history doesn't matter at all."
The reasons have to do with western encroachment and interference and the only history you need to know about this conflict dates back to 2014
Current events are shaped by history, and like I said, it didn't start in 2014 but in the decades and centuries that preceded it. Somewhere along the way the Ukrainian people saw themselves as different from Russia, it wasn't created from "western encroachment", all the West did was leave the door open and didn't say no to Eastern European membership. If Ukrainian resistance to Russian influence was a CIA/UN/NATO/Globohomo OP then Ukraine would have fallen by now like Afghanistan. But it didn't, because Ukrainians believe in their country, that they are a different people and that they would benefit more from the West than from Russia. That didn't spring from nothing, even before the Holodomor, Ukraine fought for its independence in the 1900s because those differences were already present. Calling it globohomo doesn't change how the Ukrainians see themselves, that they choose to fight back than to let Russia walk over them like they've had throughout their history. It's clearly connected.
 
You know, before this whole shit conflict started I would have probably heard your globohomo bullshit, I've always thought that both political sides had a point somewhere deep within their bullshit.

But you are genuinely justifying the rape of children because "MUH GLOBOHOMO"

Re-read all your shit, you are saying that raping children is okay because something you don't like is being harmed, you are saying that raping children is a tool against something you dislike. The Absolute State of the Modern Right.
If there is one """"""good"""""" thing that this conflict has shown is who is a toxic politisperg and who is worth talking to.
This war is so very very simple and literally right or wrong. There is no mid-part or kind of justification and so on.

Like look at this child rape supporting asshole
I said that both rape, Russia rapes less, i would love to be in optimal position where both get destroyed.

During this conflict, Russians have been known to have raped hundreds including at least 1 infant, young boys, each other, some Russian speaking in the breakaway regions, and several Belarusian women.

The Ukrainians have had zero recorded rapes so far of Russian women.
Still got to support the good guy Russians in the rape of all that evil globohomo inside the ass holes of boys below the age of 10.

As @CeasarCzech says "If we rape them when they are infants then globohomo cant rape them with their children" he is right the Russias are only forward-thinking and support the counter raping of children.
 
Hold up, hold up, are you actively arguing that Russia winning and occupying Ukraine while also getting fucked by sanctions, causing even more problems in the world economy, which will cause more African rapefugees is ultimately optimal because it will cause the Left to be shown up as weak and incompetent (more than they already are apparently)? And what if the Left doesn't shit the bed and manages to navigate such a catastrophe well enough? What then?
Yes, and You really believe Left will be capalbe of not shitting the bed ?
 
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If there is one """"""good"""""" thing that this conflict has shown is who is a toxic politisperg and who is worth talking to.
This war is so very very simple and literally right or wrong. There is no mid-part or kind of justification and so on.

Like look at this child rape supporting asshole


During this conflict, Russians have been known to have raped hundreds including at least 1 infant, young boys, each other, some Russian speaking in the breakaway regions, and several Belarusian women.

The Ukrainians have had zero recorded rapes so far of Russian women.
Still got to support the good guy Russians in the rape of all that evil globohomo inside the ass holes of boys below the age of 10.
I used to surpport the "fight of globohomo" but after the invasion of Ukraine. I'm starting to see most of these fuckers are willing to surpport Russia's war crimes have deeply sicken me.
 
If there is one """"""good"""""" thing that this conflict has shown is who is a toxic politisperg and who is worth talking to.
This war is so very very simple and literally right or wrong. There is no mid-part or kind of justification and so on.

Like look at this child rape supporting asshole


During this conflict, Russians have been known to have raped hundreds including at least 1 infant, young boys, each other, some Russian speaking in the breakaway regions, and several Belarusian women.

The Ukrainians have had zero recorded rapes so far of Russian women.
Still got to support the good guy Russians in the rape of all that evil globohomo inside the ass holes of boys below the age of 10.

Lol once again you seem to be purposefully ignoring that to me its not about Ukraine vs Russia, but About Globohomo vs Russia with Poor Ukraine being used by Globohomo as tool and living shield. I have Sympathy for Ukraine but this is bigger than Ukraine.
 
Yes, and You really believe Left will be capalbe of not shitting the bed ?
I'd rather not have any more fucking rapefugees to begin with. And making plans with the express expectation that your opposition will fuck up in the worst way possible is, in my humble opinion, an insanely naive strategy. There are better ways to fight left-wing insanity that doesn't involve causing even more grief to the West in the process.
 
Lol once again you seem to be purposefully ignoring that to me its not about Ukraine vs Russia, but About Globohomo vs Russia with Poor Ukraine being used by Globohomo as tool and living shield. I have Sympathy for Ukraine but this is bigger than Ukraine.
No, i 100% acknowledge your support of raping children to stop Globohomo.
Got to be strong and support the glories Russians in their genocide of Ukrainians and raping of infants to stop trannies in video games or whatever.
 
No, i 100% acknowledge your support of raping children to stop Globohomo.
Got to be strong and support the glories Russians in their genocide of Ukrainians and raping of infants to stop trannies in video games or whatever.

X>Y Also i find it really curious how you focus on how Russia rapes without trying to mention any globohomo rape, you arent saying that Globohomo rapes less, you are trying to focus on morality constantly because you want to distract from the fact that numbers are not in your favor.
 
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I'd rather not have any more fucking rapefugees to begin with. And making plans with the express expectation that your opposition will fuck up in the worst way possible is, in my humble opinion, an insanely naive strategy. There are better ways to fight left-wing insanity that doesn't involve causing even more grief to the West in the process.
Do tell.
 
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Most Ukrainians are definitely not to blame. But those in the post-2014 Ukrainian government who have knowingly allowed themselves and their people to be used as pawns by the US in our proxy war with Russia, do deserve blame.
Lol once again you seem to be purposefully ignoring that to me its not about Ukraine vs Russia, but About Globohomo vs Russia with Poor Ukraine being used by Globohomo as tool and living shield. I have Sympathy for Ukraine but this is bigger than Ukraine.
What in the Kentucky Fried Fuck are these remarks here? Let me give you a little historical refresher.
Ukraine: *Exists*
Russia: "And I took that personally."
Could be 1345, could be 1945, could be 2022. Year doesn't matter, rulers don't matter, ideologies don't matter. The hate-boner the Russians have for a free and independent Ukraine is probably only second to the one they have for a free and independent Poland. Heck, in 1918 the Bolsheviks went and invaded the socialist Ukrainian People's Republic because fuck you Ukraine, you're taking orders from Moscow.
 
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invented Marxism, both of those came from, surprise, suprise, KARL FUCKING MARX. Cultural Marxism is just a fancy umbrella term for those specific points of Marxism that right-wing pundits took issue with, which also originated with Karl Marx, but the term was invented by the American right.
Cultural marxism is what it says on the label. Marxism applied to culture. This originates from the sources I mentioned. Gramsci and Frankfurt school. It was later rebranded as critical theory, which when applied to race (instead of say, feminism) is called critical race theory and has gained infamy among the American right.
 
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