Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Feline Supremacist]

Frankfurt
Come on, shout "Glory to Ukraine... as part of the Russian federation" fucking bums.
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A protest somewhere, I don't know where, not in the US, although its going for the Summer of Love vibe

 

[MrJokerRager]

The quagmire in Afghanistan was a huge contributor to the collapse of the USSR and didn't require one single American boot on the ground, really.

Wait so Rambo 3 was a lie and Rocky Balboa destroying the Soviets didn't happen?

 

[Lone MacReady]

the military equivalent of taking Takeshi's castle at the moment.

I've heard taking that castle is pretty difficult.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm pretty "happy" with how things are going in the sense that the prospect of the worst possible outcome (i.e. nuclear war) seems more distant every day. And yes, thankfully there's a tacit understanding among all sides that nukes are a one-way road to hell. Of course on the other hand everyone is showing contempt for life by prolonging this conflict until either Russia bails or Ukraine is forced to the negotiating table on bad terms. That could drag for months and create much more needless suffering. And unfortunately both sides see the stakes as too high to simply withdraw now.

No it's likely true. The Russian Armed Forces pulled a half-arsed Deep Battle (not like Blitz) doctrine expecting to pocket Ukrainian forces and demoralise them into submission, expecting little resistance. Had they waged total war from the start and attacked Ukrainians on all fronts with indiscriminate bombardments with no regard for civilian casualties they would have probably been in a much better position atm.

Russia's issue is not how many civilians they've killed. Its how many Ukrainian Soldiers they've NOT killed. Blowing Kiev to kingdom come was not going to get the Ukrainian Army out of the way. Even during World War 2, the US and Britain's "terror bombing" of Germany has largely been viewed as a Strategic Failure. It barely phased the Wehrmacht. It also was not really a contributing factor to Germanies ultimate surrender. The Allies still had to go in and roust the Germans from the rubble.

 

[kuuu]

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A protest somewhere, I don't know where, not in the US, although its going for the Summer of Love vibe

Greece. Saw original.

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Ukrainian army

Red army*

 

[mindlessobserver]

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A protest somewhere, I don't know where, not in the US, although its going for the Summer of Love vibe

That's the parliament building in Athens.

 

[Saint Agustin]

This ain't true though. The first 48 hours was a very determined blitz that withered on all fronts on day 3 once the Ukrainian army got its act together. This was as true in the south and East as it was the north.

Not enough. Artillery wasn't properly positioned and the orders to advance were giving with small contingents in mind to occupy and reroute the resistence encountered, targeting garrison first then occupying settlements while advancing to Kiev.

Now, with artillery, utter destruction, chaos and a deployment via air and land it would have created completely disarray on the brass of Ukraine, not knowing if concentrate forces on Kiev or sent forces to recapture territories, all the while Russia keeps shelling and bombing places.

They didn't do that. They did a half ass attack and show of force that was met with resistence and condemnation of the world, even though Russia wanted to avoid the negative optics of murder and war by trying to be humanitarian.

Again Russia got cucked by being wholesome. Hopefully next time another country rose to war they will remember that and go full on genocide.

 

[Fougaro]

I've heard taking that castle is pretty difficult.
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To the point where more people have been on the moon than have won Takeshi's Castle.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

That's the parliament building in Athens.

Greeks were protesting at the docks refusing to load weapons headed to Ukraine, idk what's up with that

 

[mindlessobserver]

To the point where more people have been on the moon than have won Takeshi's Castle.

Wasn't that the joke though? That the people thought they could ACTUALLY win the damn thing?

 

[Matt Damon]

Wait so Rambo 3 was a lie and Rocky Balboa destroying the Soviets didn't happen?

You're thinking of Over the Top, where Stallone arm-wrestled Mikhail Gorbachev for the fate of the free world.

 

[XYZpdq]

Join the Gypsy legion, I think they have enough loot for one more

eventually the gypsies steal all weapons from both sides, then the war ends peacefully by default
like that star trek with the aliens that make the klingons and the federation stop fighting

 

[mr.moon1488]

Not enough. Artillery wasn't properly positioned and the orders to advance were giving with small contingents in mind to occupy and reroute the resistence encountered, targeting garrison first then occupying settlements while advancing to Kiev.

Now, with artillery, utter destruction, chaos and a deployment via air and land it would have created completely disarray on the brass of Ukraine, not knowing if concentrate forces on Kiev or sent forces to recapture territories, all the while Russia keeps shelling and bombing places.

They didn't do that. They did a half ass attack and show of force that was met with resistence and condemnation of the world, even though Russia wanted to avoid the negative optics of murder and war by trying to be humanitarian.

Again Russia got cucked by being wholesome. Hopefully next time another country rose to war they will remember that and go full on genocide.

It's kind of a massacre at Ayyadieh sort of thing. You don't want to do things like that as a commander, but ultimately your own soldiers have to come first.

 

[Getting tard comed]

This is one of the reasons I argue that if Japan had waited at least another year to launch Pearl Harbor, there were probably better than 50/50 chances of the Axis winning WW2.

Japan couldn't wait. The Land Lease meant the Axis lost the war and it was only a matter of time. The USA had so many excess resources the essentially funded the Russian army with everything, and I mean absolutely everything, they needed. And that was before the US entered the war and needed to build their own war machine. The difference between the manufacturing capacity of the US, at the time, dwarfed the rest of the world. There really wasn't much the Axis could do once the US decided they were supporting the Allies.

That said Pearl Harbor was retarded. The Japs knew it was at the time, but were desperate.

Same with Operation Barbossa, it was less retarded but seeing as Stalin was about to invade Germany Hitler had to pull the trigger. It was desperate, but that's what happens when you're somebody's bitch and you get played. Stalin's War is a pretty good book btw.

 

[Matt Damon]

That said Pearl Harbor was retarded. The Japs knew it was at the time, but were desperate.

Yeah, a large percentage of Japanese military officials were vocally against it, but the options were to inevitably lose a resource war or to attack the US and hope they didn't have the determination to fight a war of attrition.

 

[Frisk]

Russia's issue is not how many civilians they've killed. Its how many Ukrainian Soldiers they've NOT killed. Blowing Kiev to kingdom come was not going to get the Ukrainian Army out of the way. Even during World War 2, the US and Britain's "terror bombing" of Germany has largely been viewed as a Strategic Failure. It barely phased the Wehrmacht. It also was not really a contributing factor to Germanies ultimate surrender. The Allies still had to go in and roust the Germans from the rubble.

The issue was that the Ukrainians purposefully positioned themselves within cities' civilian infrastructure as opposed to facing Russians head on, for obvious reasons, while Russians (at least in the early stages of the war) had shown significant restraint by refraining from attacking them wherever they were (rather, they expected to quickly decapitate the Ukrainian government.) And no, the Allies' terror bombings of Germany are still a subject of debate among military historians, with significant evidence showing that it had, in fact, crippled Germany's capacity to wage war. In any case my point here is that Russia should have opted for a Shock And Awe strategy, which would have a higher chance of routing the Ukrainian army while preventing them from regrouping with haste.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Yeah, a large percentage of Japanese military officials were vocally against it, but the options were to inevitably lose a resource war or to attack the US and hope they didn't have the determination to fight a war of attrition.

It didn't help that the pro war group had been conspicuously assassinating the officers against it. Pre war Japanese military politics were absolutely fucked.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Japan couldn't wait. The Land Lease meant the Axis lost the war and it was only a matter of time. The USA had so many excess resources the essentially funded the Russian army with everything, and I mean absolutely everything, they needed. And that was before the US entered the war and needed to build their own war machine. The difference between the manufacturing capacity of the US, at the time, dwarfed the rest of the world. There really wasn't much the Axis could do once the US decided they were supporting the Allies.

That said Pearl Harbor was retarded. The Japs knew it was at the time, but were desperate.

Same with Operation Barbossa, it was less retarded but seeing as Stalin was about to invade Germany Hitler had to pull the trigger. It was desperate, but that's what happens when you're somebody's bitch and you get played. Stalin's War is a pretty good book btw.

Wonder if FDR's unconstitutional 1933 Gold confiscation helped them pay for a lot of shit they otherwise couldn't have.

 

[Matt Damon]

Wonder if FDR's unconstitutional 1933 Gold confiscation helped them pay for a lot of shit they otherwise couldn't have.

I sure hope that cripple fuck is burning in the depths of hell.

 

[Kane Lives]

Japan couldn't wait. The Land Lease meant the Axis lost the war and it was only a matter of time. The USA had so many excess resources the essentially funded the Russian army with everything, and I mean absolutely everything, they needed. And that was before the US entered the war and needed to build their own war machine. The difference between the manufacturing capacity of the US, at the time, dwarfed the rest of the world. There really wasn't much the Axis could do once the US decided they were supporting the Allies.

That said Pearl Harbor was retarded. The Japs knew it was at the time, but were desperate.

Same with Operation Barbossa, it was less retarded but seeing as Stalin was about to invade Germany Hitler had to pull the trigger. It was desperate, but that's what happens when you're somebody's bitch and you get played. Stalin's War is a pretty good book btw.

By the end of the war, the Soviets were running on American trucks, eating American rations and using American aviation gas to fly. It was that substantial. (Sure, the Russians still manufactured their own tanks and aircraft, and supplied their own small arms and men, but those wouldn't be half as effective without support.)

Without Lend Lease, the USSR might still have won, but it'd be absolutely more dicey, and very likely they might not even be able to push the Germans past their own pre-war borders since they'd lack the logistical capabilities to support it.