The Final Fantasy Thread

[NoTimeToLose]

Saying that FFXII is basically Star Wars is like saying Die Hard is a Christmas movie: an observation that was stale years ago that completely ignores the innovations they brought to the proceedings.

FF12 probably has more in common with MGS than SW.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Ok so the story starts out dirt simple and filled with Jack acting like a meme lord for about the first half. He's On a quest to destroy chaos, free the crystals from the four fiends and be a heroic badass, but..

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As the game goes on Jack's behavior stop's being played for laughs and gets more.. concerning. His lack of interest in anything besides chaos is actually noticed by his level headed companions. He's so dead set on his mission, he even has a violent reaction to the idea of learning about his past.

It becomes increasingly clear that the "warriors of light" have been manipulated and mind wiped into accomplishing their mission of destroying chaos and "restoring order" to the world. For countless millennia the world of FF1 has been stuck in something resembling a groundhog day loop that resets everytime the warriors succeed and or fail in their mission.

Why? It's so an Interdimensional race called the Lufenians can lock down the world and its timeline to use as a dumping ground for their experiments and darkness. They are not interested in conquest so much as mad science, transforming the land into some of the worst hellscapes of various FF games for research and giggles. There's implications they've offloaded darkness into other FF worlds and been indirectly responsible for a lot of bad shit. (Such as the starscourge from ff15.)

The time loops or "resets" are not perfect however. Darkness can mutate into chaos and create points of divergence in the timeline, so they need "Strangers" to go down and clean up the mess before it gets out of control.


They actually explain the difference between Chaos and Darkness in this, and it has some broad implications if im reading the room right.

Darkness is artificial creation, (perhaps even a byproduct of their tech if im reading the lore right). By itself its not too difficult to deal with and potentially control, but when combined with someone who has emotional instability? you get Chaos.

Chaos is uncontrollable and breaks all the rules. It's the reason time travel is a series of dashed lines in this game as opposed to a straight arrow. It's also the reason they mind wipe most of their agents, in a bid to prevent them from being overtly controlled by their emotions.



While Jack cant remember a dam thing in between resets, his friends are able to remember bits and pieces and manage to put it all together with the help of Astos.


Asto's claims to be a dark elf king and the game points to him as being the obvious big bad, but he isn't. In reality he's been helping Jack the entire game. Asto's is a native of FF1 that was taken and artificially evolved. He was essentially forced into becoming a slave up until jack came by and made him his friend.

The first time Jack was sent down to FF1's world (He apparently considers himself Lufenian, but the background lore imply's he may not be one) he still had his memories intact and realized how horrible the Lufenians plan was, so he enlisted the aid of Astos to help break the loop. Asto's did his best, but started to gradually go insane after every reset when he had to repeatedly explain to Jack what was going on.

Eventually Jack and the gang managed to beat the truth out of Astos, but he dies in the process, and the world approaches a reset point where every native goes insane and or dies to monsters.

Jack's buddy's decide the only way to stop the Lufenians is to imbue jack with chaos by "betraying" him. Jack brutally kills them,, gets utterly shitfaced with darkness and makes his way to the Lufenian extraction point.

This is were things get a bit beautifully bonkers, but essentially Jack goes mad with power, fights a replica of chaos and cuts off FF1 from the Lufenians.

He then is pulled 2000 years backward in time and becomes Garland proper in order to train the true warriors of light. This is apparently so they can help him definitively defeat the Lufenians when they come back. Cue the wait for the DLC.

It may sound a little convoluted, but I loved the way they handled it. They took a page from Nier and used the chaos memes very constructively.


If you have questions feel free to ask, I really need to go over the lore pages again.

Finished the game today, I really enjoyed the plot in the last chapters but the gameplay really gets annoying, too many cases of being combo's to death. The fact that you can get hit AND staggered (which means another hit) is some bullshit game design since those three hits is usually enough to die (and the game doesn't give you pity invincibility, so you can get hit multiple times by the same attack). I get they tried to ape Sekiro, but that game had tight timing and control, while here I feel half the time the game had a time delay until the parry worked or that the stamina charge is so fucking low that I discover too late that I parry with no stamina.
Basically, unless you like Nioh I'd recommend just watching it as a movie on YT.

 

[Coster]

For any issues with your own break bar, use Swayback. Swayback is a backwards dodge with some iframes that'll give you back like 60% of your gauge. It's super helpful to disengage from an enemy in close combat by spamming it a few times.

 

[Local Degenerate]

Saying that FFXII is basically Star Wars is like saying Die Hard is a Christmas movie: an observation that was stale years ago that completely ignores the innovations they brought to the proceedings.

Innovations like tab targeting in a single player game? I'll give you the gambit system, I don't remember anything coming with it before, but when it got cucked by the DA system next year, which did the same thing, but better, it kind of takes the wind out of it's sand-sails.

I'm legitimately asking. XII brought nothing new to the table, other than butchering the Ivlace races so badly they went back on all but the 'sexy' one. Even it's fans only say 'it had a lot of sidequests'

FF12 probably has more in common with MGS than SW.

I wasn't aware MGS had a princess running away into a criminal infested desert city, to meet with a hotshot pilot and his anthropomorphic friend, dragging along two annoying tag-alongs, only to be chased by a green and blue bounty hunter.

Even Someone in a Tree acknowledges it's a rip off. Most fans just don't care.

 

[NoTimeToLose]

I wasn't aware MGS had a princess running away into a criminal infested desert city, to meet with a hotshot pilot and his anthropomorphic friend, dragging along two annoying tag-alongs, only to be chased by a green and blue bounty hunter.

Even Someone in a Tree acknowledges it's a rip off. Most fans just don't care.

heh, you would deny that the cast wasn't trying to get a weapon to surpass metal gear I mean MANUFACTED NETHICITE. would you?

 

[Michael Wade]

KH event is tomorrow night. Im fairly excited, as Nomura has been hyping this up for a while.

 

[Snekposter]

I wasn't aware MGS had a princess running away into a criminal infested desert city, to meet with a hotshot pilot and his anthropomorphic friend, dragging along two annoying tag-alongs, only to be chased by a green and blue bounty hunter.

Sorry, but I gotta rate that shit as "Horrifying" thanks to Meesa Captain Basch.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I wasn't aware MGS had a princess running away into a criminal infested desert city, to meet with a hotshot pilot and his anthropomorphic friend, dragging along two annoying tag-alongs, only to be chased by a green and blue bounty hunter.

Yeah but look at FF6.

Terra is Leia. Locke is Hans Solo rescuing the princess.

Celes is Luke. Setzer is George Lucas. The opera scene is him trying to convince Luke that it would be really good for his career. Leia at this point has taken a shitload of cocaine and flown off to Zozo.

World of Ruin is the story of Luke finding George Lucas and asking him to get the gang back together to make Return of the Jedi because he can't get any other acting roles.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Yeah but look at FF6.

Terra is Leia. Locke is Hans Solo rescuing the princess.

Celes is Luke. Setzer is George Lucas. The opera scene is him trying to convince Luke that it would be really good for his career. Leia at this point has taken a shitload of cocaine and flown off to Zozo.

World of Ruin is the story of Luke finding George Lucas and asking him to get the gang back together to make Return of the Jedi because he can't get any other acting roles.

Your response pisses off the faggots in this thread.

Therefore it is excellent.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Looks like Kingdom Hearts IV has been announced along with Missing Link and Union X Dark Roads. Here’s a trailer they accompanied the announcements with.

Just the KHIV trailer if you don’t care about the other stuff.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Looks like Kingdom Hearts IV has been announced along with Missing Link and Union X Dark Roads. Here’s a trailer they accompanied the announcements with.

Just the KHIV trailer if you don’t care about the other stuff.

Kingdom Hearts IV will be released in time for the franchise’s 25th anniversary. I mean this to be a joke, but it will probably be closer to what actually happens.

 

[Vault Boy]

Looks like Kingdom Hearts IV has been announced along with Missing Link and Union X Dark Roads. Here’s a trailer they accompanied the announcements with.

Just the KHIV trailer if you don’t care about the other stuff.

There's a part of me that wants to give Kingdom Hearts a chance, but I know that'd be one hell of a commitment.

So many spinoffs with weird ass names that I have to play to try to understand the shit that I see in the main games...

 

[Red Sparrow]

Reposting from another thread. Yellowflash talks Breast-Gate again.

 

[Local Degenerate]

Reposting from another thread. Yellowflash talks Breast-Gate again.

I can't listen to that faggot meander around a topic for twenty minutes, TL;DR?

I'm assuming it's 'They decided not to make Tifa's tits stick out farther than her arms, so CENSORSHIP!'

Censorship =/= deciding on your own to make changes.

 

[Michael Wade]

There's a part of me that wants to give Kingdom Hearts a chance, but I know that'd be one hell of a commitment.

So many spinoffs with weird ass names that I have to play to try to understand the shit that I see in the main games...

Here's the thing, you'll be perfectly fine if you play the first 2 games back to back and watch or play the rest in release order. Nobody's going to give you shit if you just watch the cutscenes for the games inbetween 2 and 3.


My biggest recommendation is Skip 358 days until after you beat 2. and skip chain of memories becouse of reused assets and the replay factor of not knowing what the hell is going on alongside sora.


Im a pretty big KH fan and even I haven't played all the handheld ones.

 

[Coster]

The funny part about skipping CoM is that you're starting KH2 more or less on the same page as the party.

 

[Local Degenerate]

Here's the thing, you'll be perfectly fine if you play the first 2 games back to back and watch or play the rest in release order. Nobody's going to give you shit if you just watch the cutscenes for the games inbetween 2 and 3.


My biggest recommendation is Skip 358 days until after you beat 2. and skip chain of memories becouse of reused assets and the replay factor of not knowing what the hell is going on alongside sora.


Im a pretty big KH fan and even I haven't played all the handheld ones.

Honestly, you could get away with just playing 3, for all the fucking awful ret cons it throws in.

 

[Red Sparrow]

I can't listen to that faggot meander around a topic for twenty minutes, TL;DR?

I'm assuming it's 'They decided not to make Tifa's tits stick out farther than her arms, so CENSORSHIP!'

Censorship =/= deciding on your own to make changes.

Oh just some stupid bullshit about the "Ethix Department" bogeyman again. Quite frankly, I've checked out of culture war rubbish completely, Square Enix has bigger problems than what they decide to cover up or nerf on their characters.

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I wonder what would happen if someone said they prefer Tifa's Advent Children look on his channel?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I can't listen to that faggot meander around a topic for twenty minutes, TL;DR?

I'm assuming it's 'They decided not to make Tifa's tits stick out farther than her arms, so CENSORSHIP!'

Censorship =/= deciding on your own to make changes.

Keep on excusing these woke companies, good job. Self-censorship is still censorship.

And nobody actually gives a shit about cartoon tit size, it's the principle of the matter, nobody is jacking to this shit. I don't need Square covering up blocky old PS1 cleavage in FF8, it's fucking insulting and stupid.

I guarantee they'll retroactively change other shit too eventually, like pronoun shit and "offensive jokes". Keep letting them get away with it.

 

[Michael Wade]

Honestly, you could get away with just playing 3, for all the fucking awful ret cons it throws in.

Nah, you would be totally fucking lost. I had some disappointment with it, but I felt Remind dlc solved my complaints.