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verissimus said:
People like Ralph are too stupid and inconsistent to be tagged as liberal, conservative, or whatever political label you want to give them.
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In Ralph's case I really think he himself is apolitical, because I think he only thinks in terms of what can benefit him in a given moment. He doesn't strike me as capable of being part of any political movement or ideology because his only thought is keeping his own fat mouth stuffed whether everyone else starves or not.
 
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gang weeder said:
This is a defeatist mindset leading to a self-fulfilling prophecy of nothing ever changing. "If we try to change anything, that will motivate the enemy too much, so it's better to do nothing." The left just does shit with no regard for how conservatives will react. Imagine if SCOTUS made abortion blanket illegal across the entire country through one of their rulings. That would be far more extreme than what you're proposing, yet that's what the left did, and they got away with it. I have never once seen a leftie saying that some leftist policy or another, no matter how extreme or insane, shouldn't be implemented because it might rile up conservatives too much. And, unsurprisingly, this leads to them getting their way over the timid conservatives who are too skittish to actually dare shaking the boat a little bit, too terrified of what fresh labels the left might hurl their way.
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I've seen this attitude ever since I started paying attention to politics and it drives me nuts. My theory is it comes from the right never actually seeing victories so we "play the game" cautiously. Can I actually win this tournament? No no no I'd better not play as if I could win, that'd just make my opponents mad and they'll gang up on me in the next round.

Then a lot of people take the "we can't go far right or we'll be as bad as the left!" without understanding that the far right would inevitably relax its more draconian policies after it won, unlike the left. I mean since its founding the United States have been in almost a perpetual slide to the left but people act like once we go right, we're going to live under some nightmare theocracy ruled by crazy preachers. I blame all the leftist propaganda that makes a right-wing victory look like living in a third world country.
 
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Mega Man 2 Intro - NES said:
I've seen this attitude ever since I started paying to politics and it drives me nuts. My theory is it comes from the right never actually seeing victories so we "play the game" cautiously. Can I actually win this tournament? No no no I'd better not play as if I could win, that'd just make my opponents mad and they'll gang up on me in the next round.

Then a lot of people take the "we can't go far right or we'll be as bad as the left!" without understanding that the far right would inevitably relax its more draconian policies after it won, unlike the left. I mean since its founding the United States have been in almost a perpetual slide to the left but people act like once we go right, we're going to live under some nightmare theocracy ruled by crazy preachers. I blame all the leftist propaganda that makes a right-wing victory look like living in a third world country.
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Pretty much. "If we use leftist tactics, then we're just as bad as the left! It's better to lose with principles!" This is an attitude propagated by a """conservative""" establishment that serves more as controlled opposition than as a genuine political movement. Its purpose is to neuter conservatives (as in, actual conservatives who want actual policy chance) and keep them placid, and it is very effective in this respect. I am continuously astonished at how utterly terrified the average """conservative""" still is of being even slightly vaguely implied to maybe be anything approaching racist, sexist, etc.
 
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Mega Man 2 Intro - NES said:
I've seen this attitude ever since I started paying to politics and it drives me nuts. My theory is it comes from the right never actually seeing victories so we "play the game" cautiously. Can I actually win this tournament? No no no I'd better not play as if I could win, that'd just make my opponents mad and they'll gang up on me in the next round.

Then a lot of people take the "we can't go far right or we'll be as bad as the left!" without understanding that the far right would inevitably relax its more draconian policies after it won, unlike the left. I mean since its founding the United States have been in almost a perpetual slide to the left but people act like once we go right, we're going to live under some nightmare theocracy ruled by crazy preachers. I blame all the leftist propaganda that makes a right-wing victory look like living in a third world country.
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It's realism applied to politics.
When you're hunting, and see a huge 10 point buck strut into the clearing, you don't take the first shot you get. Sometimes you don't even take the second or third shot. You wait until you get the cleanest and most effective shot possible because otherwise the fuckers just going to jump and take off running and you'll end up spoiling the meat while chasing it across a mountain.

Same principle. It's better to enact the plans we want to see when we have the power to make them happen and also the power to make other things happen. Striking before the most opportune moment could blow our chances to see an actual conservative supermajority again this generation.

You don't have to take my word for all this though. One of the main reasons the Dems are currently imploding is because they did the same thing from the other side and too quickly went batshit insane pushing the most fringe aspects of their ideology before they had the real power to put them into place. We'd have been absolutely fucked if they had taken it easy long enough to secure more senate seats this go-around but they showed their cards too soon and became radioactive to huge chunks of the electorate that was up for grabs, ie independents.
 
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Sithis said:
You don't have to take my word for all this though. One of the main reasons the Dems are currently imploding is because they did the same thing from the other side and too quickly went batshit insane pushing the most fringe aspects of their ideology before they had the real power to put them into place. We'd have been absolutely fucked if they had taken it easy long enough to secure more senate seats this go-around but they showed their cards too soon and became radioactive to huge chunks of the electorate that was up for grabs, ie independents.
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The idea that "Dems are imploding" is a great example of what I'm talking about. Here is what is going to happen: Yes, Republicans will retake Congress this year (if they can't even manage it under these circumstances, then they're more impotent than even I was expecting). They are then going to spend the next 2 years saying Old Man Bad at Joe Biden and doing a whole lot of nothing. Come 2024, Blumpft will run again, the media will call him Hitler again, whoever the DNC anoints will "win" the election, and we'll be back to square one.

You will have nothing at all to show for the "Democratic implosion" of 2022, and the Overton window will continue drifting ever leftward.
 
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Nobody is going to talk about the implications of this????

They are increasing the biofuels percentage allowed in gas which are made by corn which is currently skyrocketing in price and causing food shortages and these idiots adding fuel to the fire .

I swear to God when I thought this administration couldn't be more retarded they go " hold my beer " every fucking time.
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Not to mention that unless you're driving a recent year FlexFuel model vehicle, ethanol gonna tear your shit up in a hurry. It rots anything rubber - fuel lines, seals, etc.

It reeked havoc on the boating industry when introduced. Cost me $$$ to switch out fuel lines and other assorted shit that ethanol destroyed.
 
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gang weeder said:
This is a defeatist mindset leading to a self-fulfilling prophecy of nothing ever changing. "If we try to change anything, that will motivate the enemy too much, so it's better to do nothing." The left just does shit with no regard for how conservatives will react. Imagine if SCOTUS made abortion blanket illegal across the entire country through one of their rulings. That would be far more extreme than what you're proposing, yet that's what the left did, and they got away with it. I have never once seen a leftie saying that some leftist policy or another, no matter how extreme or insane, shouldn't be implemented because it might rile up conservatives too much. And, unsurprisingly, this leads to them getting their way over the timid conservatives who are too skittish to actually dare shaking the boat a little bit, too terrified of what fresh labels the left might hurl their way.
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tell me you've never been involved in a political campaign without....

there is a whole lot that can be done to end legal abortion w/o ensuring your defeat at the polls. this isn't a question of "maybe if we create a legal situation that turns all fertile girls and women into potential criminals, that might motivate them to vote against us." obviously that is what will happen. *obviously.*
 
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gang weeder said:
The idea that "Dems are imploding" is a great example of what I'm talking about. Here is what is going to happen: Yes, Republicans will retake Congress this year (if they can't even manage it under these circumstances, then they're more impotent than even I was expecting). They are then going to spend the next 2 years saying Old Man Bad at Joe Biden and doing a whole lot of nothing. Come 2024, Blumpft will run again, the media will call him Hitler again, whoever the DNC anoints will "win" the election, and we'll be back to square one.

You will have nothing at all to show for the "Democratic implosion" of 2022, and the Overton window will continue drifting ever leftward.
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And so you'd have us respond to our enemys weakness by beating our chests loudly and impotently with one of the prime issues the left has that draws fence sitting independent voters to their cause reliably?
I'll remind you again because it's that important - Congress can't just enact legislation over a presidential veto without a supermajority. And the evangelicals can't be relied on for numbers like before. So, making abortion an election issue before 2024 is suicidally stupid and I suspect people arguing otherwise to be subversive agents because that's one of the quickest ways Republicans could blow their advantage.
 
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Sithis said:
One of the main reasons the Dems are currently imploding
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Are they? The marxists control the entire federal government and a good piece of the state governments. "Dems" don't even exist except as paper boogeymen, just like "Republicans" don't exist except as paper dragonslayers. Almost every politician is a part of the same system pushing the same agenda. What does it matter if Joe Biden has a 30% approval rating or even a 0% approval rating if nobody is willing to do anything about it?

They'll lose because marxism is self-defeating, not because we're actually accruing victories. Well, the victories need to happen. A total ban on abortions to get our White numbers back up. Total bans on anything marxist in the school system so the children we're having aren't being brainwashed and abused. Immigration bans on a state level so states themselves can throw out the illegals.

There's so much that can be done and what is the federal government going to do about it? They already steal the elections they're supposedly winning! What are they going to do, steal harder? Restrict our rights more? They're already doing these things!
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tell me you've never been involved in a political campaign without....
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The weak follow the strong. There are no strong politicians in our country as of yet so there have been no proper political campaigns. Just because you followed a state rep around for a year and watched him compromise at every turn to appease the indifferent voters, or whatever it was, does not mean that's the right way to get things done.

People loved Trump just for showing up and saying The Things. People love DeSantis for the same reason. But both men are compromised. When we get a man who isn't compromised, who is charismatic and is saying All The Things, the people will follow because they recognize strength.
 
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Mega Man 2 Intro - NES said:
Are they?

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They'll lose because marxism is self-defeating, not because we're actually accruing victories.
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That's what imploding means, and yes, it's happening before our eyes. Exacerbated by the radical elements being unable to shut the fuck up and Biden being a senile fool in front of the world. Only the most delusional now refuse to acknowledge the emperor's lack of clothing.

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nigger go back to /pol/ if you think that way, nobody's registering on KF to fuck with your head
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