Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[White_N]

Foreign fighters for freedom and democracy are not so impressive anymore, are they?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Part of that is the design itself though. Soviet designs were never big on crew safety, for anything. This isn't to say NATO countries didn't make some hideously unsafe designs (I'm looking at you F 104), but it definitely was more of a consideration.

Kind of hilarious the one time Russia actually attempted to make a design with crew safety in mind in the T-14, the thing turned into vaporware with maybe two dozen made after almost a decade.

 

[Titos]

Chinese food imports 2020
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Nb not all imports are fungible (animal feed can't be substituted for lamb) but they've got a pretty broad supply chain. America could stress that supply chain but probably not demolish it (opportunity for Thailand, Indonesia and Brazil to step up, as well as Russia. Also China has a growing African presence they could leverage (they currently have modest agricultural projects there). Might be better for Africans than their current ag trade with the EU.

But food sanctioning China would be bad, seems like that would work about as well as embargoing oil to the Japs in 1941. Best case, they switch supply lines to beef up trade with Russia, Asia, LATAM and African countries. Worst case, they retaliate by kicking the US Navy and its allies out of the South China Sea, meaning war.

Lol at thinking Thailand or Indonesia are going to step up to save the Chinks asses, they fucking hate them just like every other country in Asia.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Remember the trade war shit with Trump when China stopped buying American soybeans? What actually happened was US soybeans went to Brazil, and Brazilian soybeans went to China.

Pretty sure this is what would happen again if the US embargoed all food exports to China.

China stopped buying US ag exports for maybe 6 months. Then they completely fucked up the futures market by making the largest purchases of US corn, soy, and wheat, ever. All the tariffs did was bring the price of US soy in line with Brazil. Brazil bids had been 40¢ more FOB before that.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Foreign fighters for freedom and democracy are not so impressive anymore, are they?
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He didn't have you to show him pictures. Might have reconsidered but now? No refunds.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Praise the Omnissiah

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[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Hot Take: War Crimes are a Pussy Leftist Concept

 

[mindlessobserver]

So how true is the Ukrainian claim they've sunk the Moskva? Cuz sinking the flagship of the fleet, and one named after the enemies capital city would be a huge dab.

 

[Lookie-lou]

So how true is the Ukrainian claim they've sunk the Moskva? Cuz sinking the flagship of the fleet, and one named after the enemies capital city would be a huge dab.

heart of hearts, you know, LENINGRAD WHEREVER THE FUCK THAT SHIT IS NEXT!

 

[Netizennameless]

Kinda surprised people are seeing this as Ukraine vs Russia and not Nato vs Russia with all the equipment and intelligence given to Ukraine and not to mention all the men on the ground from the US/UK/France. There is a French journo who reported its American generals running things on the ground there right now.

Not sure we have to wonder what NATO vs Russia looks like, we are seeing it. If the Russians backing off of Kiev and focusing on Eastern Ukraine and finishing of Maripol is Russia losing and Nato winning, fair enough, but that's what's happening by almost every report coming out of both sides.

No I wouldn't but idk that that's what's happening in Ukraine. With all the troops doing "exercises" and "training" around the area it wouldn't surprise me at all if countries had soldiers there who shouldn't be there.

But fair enough, it's quite possible that despite Ukraine having the equipment, intelligence, experience, and advice of NATO countries the actual man power of NATO isn't there and that would make the difference.

The biggest advantage the US has aside from disgustingly opulent amounts of wealth to spend on war is that we have constantly been in a state of war with some enemy or another for the last 70 years. We have experience in basically every terrain on earth. We know how to conduct war in jungles, deserts, plains, mountains, ocean, the open air, etc. We have a military with more experience and hard data on actual modern warfare than any other nation on Earth.

It's when the US is asked to nation build or be police/soldier combos that we horribly fail. Arrogant US politicians can't seem to understand not everyone wants western democracy. Most people don't respond well to being told how they should live.

Edit: corrected typos

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

So how true is the Ukrainian claim they've sunk the Moskva? Cuz sinking the flagship of the fleet, and one named after the enemies capital city would be a huge dab.

It's the same ship they famously told to go fuck itself, before it famously killed all their defenders, and they famously all turned up alive to collect their posthumous medals, so pretty good chance it'll come back from Davy Jones' locker

 

[mindlessobserver]

I think the most amusing thing to me is that this trial ended up being held in Virginia instead of California. Virginia is truly an autism black hole.

 

[Oxous]

So how true is the Ukrainian claim they've sunk the Moskva? Cuz sinking the flagship of the fleet, and one named after the enemies capital city would be a huge dab.

Confirmed by RIA Novosti and TASS. If the "you better start believing in ghost stories" image hadn't been posted already I would've done it myself.

 

[Malt]

Russian Defense Ministry confirms significant damage to cruiser Moskva. Ukrainian officials previously said it was hit. Russia says “there was a fire” which set off its munitions and “reasons behind it are being established”

“As a result of a fire on the missile cruiser Moskva, the ammunition detonated, the ship was seriously damaged. The crew was completely evacuated, the causes of the fire are being established.”

https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1514378838423351299
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[draggs]

Well that's a bit of a black eye for Vlad daddy

 

[mindlessobserver]

Russian Defense Ministry confirms significant damage to cruiser Moskva. Ukrainian officials previously said it was hit. Russia says “there was a fire” which set off its munitions and “reasons behind it are being established”

“As a result of a fire on the missile cruiser Moskva, the ammunition detonated, the ship was seriously damaged. The crew was completely evacuated, the causes of the fire are being established.”

https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1514378838423351299
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Oof. Ammunition supply detonated and crew evacuated completely? That's a kill.

 

[Borscht]

The crew was completely evacuated, the causes of the fire are being established.”

Must have been magic firefly pixies, it is the only possible explanation.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

I'm glad you mentioned this, because it's extremely frustrating trying to explain to Americans who haven't traveled extensively abroad that the U.S. is actually quite backward in many ways on-the-ground. It's understandable why the U.S. tends not to view itself this way - after all, it's insulated by two oceans and two enormous countries to the north and south with somewhat comparable living standards (I'm including Mexico because there are areas that have been developing quite well in recent years, like Monterey - it's a wonderful city).

Most major American cities are an embarrassment. Their cores are falling apart, they're so spread out (note - I'm not in favor of stuffing people into hyper dense cities, many American cities just happen to be on the other extreme of the spectrum) and atomized (the pods just go horizontal instead of vertical in this case) that most newer suburbs feel like the sanitized, paranoid setting of the Stepford Wives. Neighbors are rarely talked to. Children won't go outside because where are they going to go? There aren't any nearby parks (instead it's just half-empty surface lots) and even then you don't want to risk them getting kidnapped by some freak or stepping on used needles left behind by some homeless drug addict. Societal trust is in the gutter and it has less to do with racial demographics and everything to do with the rotting, atomized, hyper-individualist 'fuck you got mine' corpse of American culture as a whole. These issues also exist in American communities that are 85-90%+ white.

You're either sitting at home, sitting in a car, sitting at the office, or sitting in a restaurant eating hyper-processed brain-pickling food and playing vidya or consuming some other product. You don't walk to the local neighborhood market where small business owners and small landholdings sell their goods, you drive (because outside of a few isolated locations, there's no other reasonable means of travel even for daily chores) to the corporate big-box store or the rotting strip mall. Even the old shopping malls - more consume product - formerly the mid-late 20th century's replacement for the neighborhood park or newly-corporatized urban core, are either closed or falling apart. People are moving into overpriced gated communities which breeds paranoia even towards people who live in the same development, and the masses of people moving out of the shitty cities 'for a little country atmosphere' results in the 'countryside' becoming the new suburbia, and the cycle repeats itself as the Great American Landscape is devoured by more sprawling McMansions, highways, parking lots, corporate big box stores and gas stations. If you point this out, people will either a) accuse you of trying to take away their 'freedom' (to consoom, suck corporate cock and be hyper-dependent on a single overpriced mode of transportation), b) accuse you of being an urban bugman because they think anything not resembling the modern, garish caricature of the post WWII 'American dream' marketing scheme means you're a pod-loving, private-ownership hating collectivist or c) distracting them from consuming product, getting fat, and piling on the credit card debt. Can't help but feel like 9/11 really did ruin everything. There were signs we were already headed in a problematic direction, but damn it feels like we went into overdrive after that shitty day in September.

There are homeless people everywhere. This is a combination of the closure of the asylums preventing people from getting the mental health assistance they so desperately need, the opioid epidemic (partly caused by the fucking depressing state of modern American culture/life), housing prices spiraling out of control (thank you, Black Rock), a near total lack an industrial base (because most of the factories are now in China), and illegal immigration driving down wages. Inner-city neighborhoods are in a state of collapse or are literally more dangerous than third-world shitholes. All races in America are suffering, from heroin-addicted whites in the rust belt to gang-riddled ghettoes in Detroit, or destitute Hispanic colonias in Texas which are no better than South African townships.

Also fuck the actual Progressive bugmen. Even if I live in a flat/apartment (which isn't a pod, by the way - this horrid thing is) I want to OWN IT. I love meat. I will not eat bugs. Progressives/WEF/bugmen don't get to own the concept of a good town or city. You can have good, more dense cities while maintaining private property rights and rejecting everything the demonic Great Reset stands for.

This isn't the case for all Americans but fuck if it isn't depressingly common. I love the United States. I love Texas. I love my homeland, but dammit it's completely falling the fuck apart and that is heartbreaking. As much as I wish we could do more to fix it, turn it around and drag it kicking and screaming into reality, it just feels like that opportunity has passed. I'm glad I left but it was an extremely painful decision. Solzhenitsyn was right. Mankind has forgotten God and it's led to disaster.

So, in other words:

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Must have been magic firefly pixies, it is the only possible explanation.

I mean the Russian/soviet navy and safe ammo storage have a somewhat....troublesome history. If this wasn't the result of a ukie strike, it wouldn't be the first ship they've lost because of poor ammunition safety.

 

[draggs]

If the ammunition detonated soon after the fire started I mean there's no way the crew could be evacuated

Even with modern warships if the ammo goes up you don't have a ship anymore you have pieces

Must've been a fire that they couldn't stop and knew was going to reach the ammo so time to gtfo before the fire gets there