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So according to sources it wasn't in port and was in fact in the middle of the sea when it got hit.
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Safe to say it's probably a kilometer underwater by now.
 
So according to sources it wasn't in port and was in fact in the middle of the sea when it got hit.
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Safe to say it's probably a kilometer underwater by now.
have you looked at that class of ship, designed to throw giant cruise missiles bristling with launchers. Zero chance a mishap would be just a manpower down issue like the Iowa blowing a turret.
Also good chance it sudoku'ed itself firing as Ukrainians hitting it.
 
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How in the absolute fuck do you get your flagship sunk by a nation with no navy, no naval strike aircraft, a handful of anti-ship missiles and you’ve been screaming is about to collapse any minute now?
you sink it yourself, because your seamen are bad
 
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have you looked at that class of ship, designed to throw giant cruise missiles bristling with launchers. Zero chance a mishap would be just a manpower down issue like the Iowa blowing a turret.
Also good chance it sudoku'ed itself firing as Ukrainians hitting it.
Could be repairable if “ammunition explosion” was only the AK-130 instead of the entire deck being doused in burning rocket propellant.
 
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For ship explosions this may take the biscuit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJcDVbH5q3k

Maybe the famous Halifax explosion would have topped it but no film of that exists.
The Port Chicago explosion was probably bigger, and there was supposedly footage of it; but I guess the MIBs purged any photographic evidence.
The Liberty ship SS E. A. Bryan docked at the inboard, landward side of Port Chicago's single 1,500 ft (460 m) pier at 8:15 a.m. on July 13, 1944. The ship arrived at the dock with empty cargo holds but was carrying a full load of 5,292 barrels (841,360 liters) of bunker C heavy fuel oil for its intended trip across the Pacific Ocean. At 10 a.m. that same day,[27] seamen from the ordnance battalion began loading the ship with munitions. After four days of around-the-clock loading, about 4,600 tons (4,173 tonnes)[27] of explosives had been stored in its holds. The ship was about 40% full by the evening of July 17.[citation needed]

At 10 p.m. on July 17, Division Three's 98 men were loading E. A. Bryan with 1,000-pound (450 kg) bombs into No. 3 hold, 40 mm shells into No. 5 hold and fragmentation cluster bombs into No. 4 hold.[28] Incendiary bombs were being loaded as well; these bombs weighed 650 lb (290 kg) each and were "live"‍—‌they had their fuzes installed. The incendiary bombs were being loaded carefully one at a time into No. 1 hold‍—‌the hold with a winch brake that might still have been inoperative.[28]

A boxcar delivery containing a new airborne anti-submarine depth charge design, the Mark 47 armed with 252 lb (114 kg) of torpex, was being loaded into No. 2 hold. The torpex charges were more sensitive than TNT to external shock and container dents.[29] On the pier, resting on three parallel rail spurs, were sixteen rail cars holding about 430 short tons (390 t) of explosives.[27] In all, the munitions on the pier and in the ship contained the equivalent of approximately 2,000 short tons (1,800 t) of TNT.[27]
At 10:18 p.m., witnesses reported hearing a noise described as "a metallic sound and rending timbers, such as made by a falling boom."[27] Immediately afterward, an explosion occurred on the pier and a fire started. Five to seven seconds later[17][31][32] a more powerful explosion took place as the majority of the ordnance within and near the SS E. A. Bryan detonated in a fireball seen for miles. An Army Air Forces pilot flying in the area reported that the fireball was 3 mi (4.8 km) in diameter.[32] Chunks of glowing hot metal and burning ordnance were flung over 12,000 ft (3,700 m) into the air.[17] The E. A. Bryan was completely destroyed and the Quinault was blown out of the water, torn into sections and thrown in several directions; the stern landed upside down in the water 500 ft (150 m) away. The Coast Guard fire boat CG-60014-F was thrown 600 ft (180 m) upriver, where it sank. The pier, along with its boxcars, locomotive, rails, cargo, and men, was blasted into pieces. Nearby boxcars‍—‌waiting within their revetments to be unloaded at midnight‍—‌were bent inward and crumpled by the force of the shock. The port's barracks and other buildings and much of the surrounding town were severely damaged. Shattered glass and a rain of jagged metal and undetonated munitions caused many more injuries among military personnel and civilians, although no one outside the immediate pier area was killed.[33] Nearly $9.9 million worth of damage ($145.5 million in 2020) was caused to U.S. government property.[34] Seismographs at the University of California, Berkeley sensed the two shock waves traveling through the ground, determining the second, larger event to be equivalent to an earthquake measuring 3.4 on the Richter magnitude scale.[35]
 
Alright kids, time for my official hot take of the month. So, ship might've taken a hit, might not. That doesn't matter because the Russian MOD is reporting an ammo detonation. Ammo detonations, as some folk have covered on here, aren't pretty. Modern ships are designed to hopefully at least somewhat blunt the damage of an ammo detonation, but even then the damage is, naturally, catastrophic. The explosion isn't kept in just the magazine / turret / both, but instead takes a huge area with it, burning up men, supplies, and equipment along the way. The blast also has a tendency to rock the ship hard, knocking out more fragile equipment and often cutting off power.

I need to stress that this isn't like World War 1 or World War 2 where a magazine detonation usually meant curtains for the ship in the course of a minute. Ammo stowage has gotten a whole lot better since then, but even then a detonation would put the ship out of action for months if not outright sinking her, even if she still appears to be afloat. According to a bunch of morons on twitter the ship's power went out after the blast, which isn't good. You've got fires raging and odds are a good portion of the damage control equipment, if not the entirety of it, is electrically operated. Fire hoses, hand-pumps, the works, all probably without the juice to get the fires out of control and pump out water if the blast happened below the waterline. With the MOD stating that all crew have been evacuated that means that either (A). The fire is out and the ship is stable, or (B.) The fire is out of control or the blast left the ship unsalvagable. If I was a betting man I'd dump all my money on option B. Whatever happened to the Moskva, odds are the Russians have ruled the ship a total loss.

Now this doesn't mean the ship is actually a total loss. The problem is that Russian damage control, as far as I'm personally aware, was never the best to begin with. You may see a huge sheet of fire in front of you and think that your best option is to jump into the sea or let some other guy handle it. It doesn't help if your water hoses or fire suppression is inoperable and the guy(s) in charge of getting the power back on are already jumping off the side screaming 'run for your life'. And, of course, this isn't helped by the fact that it's night, which makes everything even more confusing.

Long story short? Russian Ship Status: Fucked
 
How is that better lmao
well you can get a donor if your fioaters are bad,,,

Actually quite the opposite, the Russian seaman are quite good keeping such floating disasters above water.
Russians are orks, their colletive will to run something will run it if enough of them are around.

admittedly this has been standard russian naval procedure for many decades
member the Tau sinking the russian fleet in 1904? the russians lost half their fleet getting into the far east...
 
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Could be repairable if “ammunition explosion” was only the AK-130 instead of the entire deck being doused in burning rocket propellant.
Even then, that could cause some serious problems depending on the ships design and how much ammo blew up. For the sake of the poor bastards on the ship, I hope it wasn't one of the kills everyone options.
 
Even then, that could cause some serious problems depending on the ships design and how much ammo blew up. For the sake of the poor bastards on the ship, I hope it wasn't one of the kills everyone options.
They have ways to jettison stores, though I'm unsure how with vertical launch cells (besides flooding); but if even a single one of those huge SS-N-12 carrierkillers cooked off it would be incredibly bad just surviving, much less salvage.
 
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