Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[St.Davis]

>The consensus
There has never been a greater liar or war criminal than the consensus.
>Free Syrian Army
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Do people still think Assad was the bad guy?

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Do people still think Assad was the bad guy?

Wasn't there a video game that featured the White Helmets even after they were found to be frauds created by the WEF or something?

 

[Prester John]

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Wasn't there a video game that featured the White Helmets even after they were found to be frauds created by the WEF or something?

Never heard of a video game about them but I can’t imagine it was popular, I don’t think there’s much of a market for video games about staging and filming atrocity propaganda.

 

[Bush King]

Here are my takes as a 20-something who reads about battles on Wikipedia, has thousands of hours in paradox games and has no military experience whatsoever.

-Kiev attack was a feint/raid

This is easily disproven by the fact that one of the opening battles of the invasion was the VDV assault on Antonov airport. You don't land several battalions of special forces and conduct a multi-pronged armoured thrust on a single target for a "raid". You assault an airport to land a shit tonne of supplies and troops quickly. The intent was patently obvious, to end political resistance in Ukraine and prevent the war turning into an actual shooting match like it is now, rather than a quick skirmish.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

For some reason can see Ukrainian aviation paying a return visit to certain places in Russia.

Vlad really needs to declare victory and leave. The Ukrainians simply will not quit. The Lend-Lease will just grow, the Ukrainian people's morale improves with each successful action, such as the sinking of the Moskva.

Believe Putin's actions will eventually hurt Russia more than they have hurt Ukraine. He's turned his country into a pariah nation. Putin's conventional military has done poorly and given the lie to their supposedly high quality. Sanctions starting to bite, Russians at home having problems getting certain medications.

Vlad, just pull your troops back to some defensible line, stop the other attacks, and offer a Korean-style armistice. Maybe the Ukrainians will agree. At the rate you are going, sooner or later you'll see major pushback at home from all the families who have lost loved ones for nothing. This isn't my namesake's Russia.

And at the rate things are going, can see this thread active for a very long time, far longer than I believe we'd like.

I don't think Ukraine is negotiating, not in good faith anyway. I think you miss the forest for the trees; this is not Russia vs Ukraine, it's Russia vs NATO.

But yes, this war can go on for a long time.

 

[Generic Retard]

BRO THEY'RE IN GERMANIA.

Dude, german leftist/antifa are easily the most cringe globohomo outrage conspiracy group I know of.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

http://en.kremlin.ru/contacts

No need, I guarantee you that this thread has dedicated American, Ukrainian and Russian glowniggers keeping an eye on it.

 

[Cringemaster Supreme]

Never heard of a video game about them but I can’t imagine it was popular, I don’t think there’s much of a market for video games about staging and filming atrocity propaganda.

It was Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare. Call Of Duty as a series is kind of propaganda in itself.

 

[The best and greatest]

I don't think Ukraine is negotiating, not in good faith anyway. I think you miss the forest for the trees; this is not Russia vs Ukraine, it's Russia vs NATO.

But yes, this war can go on for a long time.

Tbh neither side is negotiating in good faith. You hold peace talks when both sides are ready for peace or when one is ready to surrender. Clearly this isn't the case since both sides want something as non-conditional that the other is unready to give. Its a dick-stroking farce and nothing more.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Look, I hate saying "cope" in these threads because it's such a cancerous term at this point, but this is genuine cope.

It cannot be understated how big of a deal the destruction of the Moskva is. Even if we assume it was destroyed due to a phantom malfunction and not Ukrainian missiles, it's a severe reduction of fleet power. It's the Russian equivelant of a US Fleet Carrier in terms of doctrinal importance. These Cruisers are the center piece of their naval groups. This ship was probably providing the majority of early warning for long range missile launches over the forces in Crimea and Kherson. It was probably also scheduled to maintain air defense cover for an invasion force against Odessa and the ground forces along the Dnepr. That means needing several brigades of AA on the ground instead of one very capable ship. That means more money, oil, food, etc. If we (probably correctly) assume this was a missile attack, the strategic situation has completely changed now. It means the Ukrainians have the ability to penetrate extremely capable AA shields and attack targets from long range. That's a big deal. Russia's brass are probably scrambling right now to figure out what their response to this is.

Russian victory conditions were clearly to topple the Ukrainian government, force a settlement over the rebel provinces and the Crimean canal and ensure an either friendly or castrated Ukrainian government in future. The main goal has failed. Kiev is secured. Belarus was so cucked by sanctions and the failure of Russian troops to win in the north and Kharkov they refused to attack too. The Donbass is what matters now because the Russians have failed almost everywhere else. Now the Russians have to face the prospect of attacking Ukraine's main force while they possibly have strategic weapons. IF the stories about generals are true, this could be horrible for Russia. If the stories about their codes and communications being completely intercepted and cracked are true, it could mean the capability of sniping entire headquarters with missiles that no longer have to deal with one of Russia's best anti-missile ship providing cover for them.

Ukraine is losing in the sense that the war is on their turf and though the Russian's have been pushed back they are still in force in Ukraine. Have we forgotten both world wars? Not a single bullet was fired in Germany in the first, and 80% of the Eastern Front in the second was fought in the USSR. These are meaningless data points, especially when Ukraine is so agitated now that they'll fight until ten minutes past midnight. We don't have to cope/seethe/dilate for either side to understand that this is a big deal.

You can disagree that Donbas hasn't been the focus but you are presenting it like the pro-Russia or just anti-Ukie crowd is now all of the suddenly pivoting to the Donbas because of failures elsewhere, we've been talking about Donbas being the focus since the start of the war. Once again you can disagree with that thinking but it's not some newfound talking point to cope. Also on the "if the stores about the generals and the codes being cracked are true", I don't think there's a reason why anyone should believe a word that is coming out of the Ukrainian and Western side. They've lied repeatedly throughout this. Any "RUSSIA IS SCREWED THEY ARE REALLY FUCKED NOW" story should almost be dismissed immediately because the overwhelming majority of them have been false.
But maybe I'm wrong and you're right, who knows? I guess we will find out eventually.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No need, I guarantee you that this thread has dedicated American, Ukrainian and Russian glowniggers keeping an eye on it.

This thread? I doubt it although sure, it's possible. But no one here has expressed an interest of signing up to fight for either side afaik as its just the Russia /Ukraine War Shitposting general thread. Both sides dislike KF so who knows.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

This thread? I doubt it although sure, it's possible. But no one here has expressed an interest of signing up to fight for either side afaik as its just the Russia /Ukraine War Shitposting general thread. Both sides dislike KF so who knows.

We apparently had one in the election thread, though I suppose that could have just been a lurking faggot. My real point though is that this thread has been a decently-sized repository of happenings, and there's always the possibility that we'll post something here before it makes it through the official channels.

 

[JambledUpWords]

We need to end this war now. War is toxic masculinity

 

[Bush King]

You can disagree that Donbas hasn't been the focus but you are presenting it like the pro-Russia or just anti-Ukie crowd is now all of the suddenly pivoting to the Donbas because of failures elsewhere, we've been talking about Donbas being the focus since the start of the war. Once again you can disagree with that thinking but it's not some newfound talking point to cope. Also on the "if the stores about the generals and the codes being cracked are true", I don't think there's a reason why anyone should believe a word that is coming out of the Ukrainian and Western side. They've lied repeatedly throughout this. Any "RUSSIA IS SCREWED THEY ARE REALLY FUCKED NOW" story should almost be dismissed immediately because the overwhelming majority of them have been false.
But maybe I'm wrong and you're right, who knows? I guess we will find out eventually.

It doesn't take a genius to realise Donbass wasn't the focus. If it was, there would have been no need to invade, or at most, to simply start "protective operations" or whatever term Putin wants to use in the areas claimed by the rebel groups. The fact is that the main thrust of this war was against Kiev. You don't have multiple divisional columns of tanks and trucks and MRAPs rushing down to Kiev alongside an air assault on a major airport in the capital unless the goal was regime toppling. That was the operational focus. You can argue Donbass is the strategic focus, in that Russia would like those regions to be confirmed as legally distinct from Ukraine post-invasion, but that was never going to happen by just fighting in Donbass and Putin knew it. What we see now is Russia attempting to achieve it's strategic goals in a new operation- the first failed, and now the war is being fought the exact opposite way they wanted. It absolutely is cope, not because of the talking points, but because it's just like the Ukrainian supporters were doing a month ago. "Actually Ukraine can lose XYZ, actually Russia doesn't need XYZ, actually this was a feint, actually Ghost of Kinevil is a good lie for morale, actually Russia is protector of tradcathfemboys, actually Ukraine is ready to push in Moscow tomorrow morning", it's all the same shit. Moskva being lost is a huge deal, Russia didn't "feint" an assault on Kiev only to take almost three weeks now to attack elsewhere, and Russia isn't the one who will have to rebuild countless cities if Ukraine even manages to take everything back.

I also agree we shouldn't believe anything. That's why I said "IF". That carries a lot of water. It makes the difference between Moskva being a potential lucky strike or a game changing strategic rebalance. I'm pro-Ukraine insofar as they are a sovereign state defending against an invasion. I have no illusions about the reality of this war. I had none at the start. My prediction from day one was that what is happening now with Ukraine defending but Russia being severely limited in their operational capabilities would occur, but with far more damage to Ukraine than we have seen. I didn't think they'd invade precisely because a rational actor would see there is a very limited chance of success. The war was probably decided in the first 48 hours when Zelenskyy decided to stay in Kiev and the Russians couldn't oust him. Both sides have lied throughout this. Western intelligence predicted the invasion and forced Putin to delay the date of attack. They've been providing a lot of good intelligence to Ukraine. That isn't for nothing. You won't see any of this unless it results in actionable victories. Moskva was probably attacked after Western intelligence told Ukraine where it was and what it was doing, using Western missiles.

Russia is screwed in that they are now a pariah state that even China is wary about interacting with. Even if they win, Russia is going to have to undergo a huge military spending program to recover their forces and Ukraine will have infinite IMF money and a fast-tracked EU membership to rebuild. If they surrender the contested regions, that's the main hindrance to NATO membership gone. I dismiss most of the small stories in this war because they are both meaningless and probably false. The real story is in the strategic picture, and it looks worse every day for Russia.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We apparently had one in the election thread, though I suppose that could have just been a lurking faggot. My real point though is that this thread has been a decently-sized repository of happenings, and there's always the possibility that we'll post something here before it makes it through the official channels.

>Lots of Russian Telegram posts
>Posted on KF in general Rus/Uke war shitposting thread
>Post has heretofore new intel
>Glowniggers lurking report to their superiors
>Russia loses a Buhanka
>mfw our glowniggers are lurking KF for intel

 

[Netizennameless]

Usually it's only Jews and burgers who are so far gone as to encourage women to fight in wars. The Ukies truly are a lost people.

Disagree. Anyone sufficiently desperate military accepts women. The advent of the firearm has made anyone a potential combatant.

Also Azov being into troons, what a shocking development. At least he could have tucked his cock and balls, but likely that's the point.

No disagreement here.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We need to end this war now. War is toxic masculinity
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This nigga ain't taking shit from a Gender/Women's studies major, I can tell just by looking at his face,

 

[Titos]

This nigga ain't taking shit from a Gender/Women's studies major, I can tell just by looking at his face,
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He looks like a serial killer, almost all the people at the top of Russian society look like stereotypical serial killers though. You know damn well Putin has a creepy shed with shit in it that would make David Parker Ray blush. Manlets be crazy yo.

 

[Fcret]

Why would you 'feint' a 40 mile caravan towards Kiev if your ultimate goal is to take the east? You do realize how long 40 miles is right?