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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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If they're trying to bait more AShM's or an amphibious landing, well...
I'm genuinely not sure which would be more retarded, actually trying to launch an amphibious invasion at this point, or merely trying to bait out more AShMs you clearly can't fucking defend against.


Blackwater wasn't part of America's military, but the fact that they did some stupid things in Iraq still reflects badly on the USA since America HIRED THEM.

Also, Wagner takes paychecks from Putin. They literally get their bread from the Russian government.
It's even worse than shit like Blackwater. While they worked for the US government they were very clearly private organizations. Wagner meanwhile lives/trains on Russian bases, gets transported to hotspots on Russian military planes, it's people get treated at Russian military hospitals and they have passports issued by the same office that issues them to the fucking GRU, but no they're totally not just Russian military in disguise.
 
I'm beginning to notice that the Vatniks and Russiaboos are beginning to change their shilling and retardation into something that doesn't touch the actual condition on the battlefield, and only used things like the "nazi" and "globohomo" stuff, and this is even more so after the Russian MoD was forced to admit the Moskwa sunk. Even the people on the other thread seems tamer compared to weeks before

Are we going to see some of those people realizing that Russia is really going to lose this war?
Even if it does, you can count on Lost Cause-style apologetics bitching about how the EEEEEEVIL western powers sabotaged HOLY RUSSIA's crusade to bring forth a GODLY ANTI-GLOBOHOMO REGIME that would have defeated the EEEEEVIL West.

Or something about how "RUSSIA WAS GOING EASY ON UKRAINE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO HUMANE AND DIDN'T WANT MASSIVE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES!"

I'm genuinely not sure which would be more retarded, actually trying to launch an amphibious invasion at this point, or merely trying to bait out more AShMs you clearly can't fucking defend against.
You can count on Putin's men to choose the more retarded option at this point.

It's even worse than shit like Blackwater. While they worked for the US government they were very clearly private organizations. Wagner meanwhile lives/trains on Russian bases, gets transported to hotspots on Russian military planes, it's people get treated at Russian military hospitals and they have passports issued by the same office that issues them to the fucking GRU, but no they're totally not just Russian military in disguise.
Exactly. The Wagner Group is essentially the mercenary arm of the Russian regime, getting direct orders and support from Putin and his close circle of cronies.
 
Even if it does, you can count on Lost Cause-style apologetics bitching about how the EEEEEEVIL western powers sabotaged HOLY RUSSIA's crusade to bring forth a GODLY ANTI-GLOBOHOMO REGIME that would have defeated the EEEEEVIL West.

Or something about how "RUSSIA WAS GOING EASY ON UKRAINE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO HUMANE AND DIDN'T WANT MASSIVE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES!"
I expect a lot of Lost Cause type cope the rate the war is going.

A friend of mine pointed out that this is like if Germany tried to invade Austria, instead of using diplomacy, and lost.
You can count on Putin's men to choose the more retarded option at this point.
At this point it’d expect them to make the stupidest decision possible.
Exactly. The Wagner Group is essentially the mercenary arm of the Russian regime, getting direct orders and support from Putin and his close circle of cronies.
In some ways they’re almost like the SS except without the ideological underpinnings.
 
I'm beginning to notice that the Vatniks and Russiaboos are beginning to change their shilling and retardation into something that doesn't touch the actual condition on the battlefield, and only used things like the "nazi" and "globohomo" stuff, and this is even more so after the Russian MoD was forced to admit the Moskwa sunk. Even the people on the other thread seems tamer compared to weeks before

Are we going to see some of those people realizing that Russia is really going to lose this war?
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It's even worse than shit like Blackwater. While they worked for the US government they were very clearly private organizations.
To be fair Blackwater was comprised largely of former US Navy (re:SEALs) and US Army personnel.

I expect a lot of Lost Cause type cope the rate the war is going.

A friend of mine pointed out that this is like if Germany tried to invade Austria, instead of using diplomacy, and lost.
Imagine if the US 1) had the marvelous benefit of neighboring Iraq, 2) invaded Iraq but then got fucking pushed back from Baghdad and failed to kill Saddam, 3) got a fucking Ticonderoga-class DDG/CG sunk by an Exocet.

I'm pretty sure even the most ardent flag-waving Muricans would admit the war isn't going well.
 
Thinking of Saddam. Saddam Hussein was a good man in a way. He offered to have Khomeini assassinated but the Shah was too soft. He wisely warned the Shah it was better to kill a 1000 now than see a vast death toll later as it proved. He knew in that part of the world you had to be a killer, and the Shah was too gentle a soul. Here's how Saddam made sure his no nonsense approach was known by executing a few to encourage the many. Reading out 'Mohammed' which was in the names of most in the room, and then pausing was a masterful troll.


 
I expect a lot of Lost Cause type cope the rate the war is going.

A friend of mine pointed out that this is like if Germany tried to invade Austria, instead of using diplomacy, and lost.
it’s like the Modern US tried to invade Canada and failed. Because nobody in charge bothered to look at a Map and realize among other things “Canada is really really fucking big, and Moose are nasty when angered”. Darth Putin is losing to an actual Television clown. If it wasn’t for the obscenely high civilian body count it would be the greatest comedy ever.

Here’s a reasonably good open source analysis on how many tanks Russia likely actually has.

TLDR; Probably around 3000 that can be made operational. With another 3000 that are hopeless write offs being stripped for parts.
 
it’s like the Modern US tried to invade Canada and failed. Because nobody in charge bothered to look at a Map and realize among other things “Canada is really really fucking big, and Moose are nasty when angered”. Darth Putin is losing to an actual Television clown. If it wasn’t for the obscenely high civilian body count it would be the greatest comedy ever.

Here’s a reasonably good open source analysis on how many tanks Russia likely actually has.

TLDR; Probably around 3000 that can be made operational. With another 3000 that are hopeless write offs being stripped for parts.
It amazes me how dumb the Russians are when it comes to their equipment yet somehow the United States military got the reputation for being wasteful and corrupt. Storing vehicles long term should be a piss easy task. I remember for a long time seeing M60 tanks being maintained in the 2000s (Long after they were retired) in much better condition than any of those Russian vehicles. How fucking hard is it in Russia to find a dessert or frozen wasteland to haul all your old shit for safekeeping?
 
It amazes me how dumb the Russians are when it comes to their equipment yet somehow the United States military got the reputation for being wasteful and corrupt. Storing vehicles long term should be a piss easy task. I remember for a long time seeing M60 tanks being maintained in the 2000s (Long after they were retired) in much better condition than any of those Russian vehicles. How fucking hard is it in Russia to find a dessert or frozen wasteland to haul all your old shit for safekeeping?
Bro it’s impossible for Russia to store tanks when they’ve been getting genocided by UKKKrain for the last 200 years.
 
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Suck It, Putin!': Stephen Colbert Taunts Russia After Most Humbling Ukraine Moment Yet​


Stephen Colbert celebrated the news that the Russian warship Moskva sank in the Black Sea this week, apparently after coming under attack by Ukraine’s Neptune missiles.
“I’m surprised they’re called Neptune missiles because Russia, Ukraine’s kicking Uranus,” he said to cheers from his audience.
The “Late Show” host said Russian President Vladimir Putin had attacked Ukraine in an attempt to stop NATO from expanding east. But now, Sweden and Finland are considering joining the alliance ― something Colbert said they even have a coupon for:
I wouldn’t mind if Russia took out Colbert.
 
See, eliminating non-civilian moving targets isn't that easy, and they can shoot back sometimes. This way russians can add plenty of names to their kill list easily and safely.

Some names look Polish, Poland should dig up all red army graveyards and using the bonemeal inside for fertilizer fuck the memory of that army and everyone who ever died fighting for it.
 
I agree. Austria would've been a far better leader for Germany. They were more concerned with culture and intellectual pursuits. Letting Germany unite under Prussia turned it into a military camp that scared damn near everyone, from the Brits, the French, and eventually, even the Russians. If it was united under Austria, their ambitions would be more towards preserving power instead of competing for colonial possessions, and instead of a military culture that scares everyone, you'll have an artistic and intellectual culture that everyone looks to as their standard. Hysteria about growing German power helped drive the Allied nations into WW1; if they didn't see Germany as a threat, that war could've been avoided.
Nigga are you kidding me? Austria had been jockeying for control of the Balkans with Russia for decades, and it was that conflict over the Balkans that ultimately led to WWI. If Austria had tried to unite Germany, WWI would have happened sooner. It was only Bismarck's careful diplomacy that kept Europe from destroying itself in multiple wars as he placated and played off everyone. It should be no surprise that everything immediately went to pot the moment he was ousted from the Chancellorship. The Austrians would have almost certainly blundered into a war with the Russians over something, like the Bosnian Crisis, had they united Germany. Lest we forget, WWI started over a Serbian assassinating an Austrian archduke over their meddling in the Balkans and annexation of Bosnia.

Also, Austria could never have united Germany: the non-Germans in Austria's empire would never have wanted to join a German ethnostate, while all the non-Austrian Germans would never have wanted a bunch of non-Germans in it. Austria would have had to give up their Empire for it to work and that would never have happened. Austria-Hungary was dysfunctional toward the end anyway and would never have made it work; it was basically the Sick man of Europe.
LMAO what is it with the fucking krauts?
That's what 50 years of being told you are the most evil race in the world will do to you.
To be fair Blackwater was comprised largely of former US Navy (re:SEALs) and US Army personnel.
Those guys were EX-military. They weren't actual employees of the U.S. government. They didn't use U.S. military equipment. They didn't have U.S. diplomatic or military passports. They didn't train in U.S. bases. They were a private company hired to do work for the U.S. government for cheap.
 
They were a private company hired to do work for the U.S. government for cheap.
not for cheap lol PMCs are hilariously expensive compared to regular troops.
you use PMCs when sending regular troops would be politically inconvenient because the military is subject to a ton of institutional and parliamentary oversight mechanisms. if you send PMCs instead, you can ignore all that stuff.
 
not for cheap lol PMCs are hilariously expensive compared to regular troops.
you use PMCs when sending regular troops would be politically inconvenient because the military is subject to a ton of institutional and parliamentary oversight mechanisms. if you send PMCs instead, you can ignore all that stuff.
Most of what Blackwater did in Iraq was actually guarding/escorting State Department convoys.
They figured it was better to have a bunch of Ex-SEALs and Ex-Rangers riding escort rather than having some enlisted kids in their 20s do it or risk tieing down the active-duty rangers & SEALs to play baby-sitter.
 
Nigga are you kidding me? Austria had been jockeying for control of the Balkans with Russia for decades, and it was that conflict over the Balkans that ultimately led to WWI. If Austria had tried to unite Germany, WWI would have happened sooner. It was only Bismarck's careful diplomacy that kept Europe from destroying itself in multiple wars as he placated and played off everyone. It should be no surprise that everything immediately went to pot the moment he was ousted from the Chancellorship. The Austrians would have almost certainly blundered into a war with the Russians over something, like the Bosnian Crisis, had they united Germany. Lest we forget, WWI started over a Serbian assassinating an Austrian archduke over their meddling in the Balkans and annexation of Bosnia.
And the reason why that war became a world war instead of just a bum summer war between Austria and Serbia was because of the fact that the Western Allies had hysteria over Prussian Germany being the new superpower of the globe. Prussia put the German economy at work creating the most feared war machine in Europe; that turned the Brits against Germany, seeing Germany as a rival, and since the Prussians founded the German Empire while beating France into a pulp in 1871, that turned the French against them, too. This in turn, led to the alliance system with Russia where if one member was at war with Germany, other nations will follow suit.

If it was Austrian Germany instead, the most you will get is MAYBE Russian and Turkish involvement, since they also had Balkan ambitions. But since the British and the French wouldn't fear Austrian Germany, they won't intervene, and neither will America. It will just be Teutons, Slavs, and Turks blowing each other up while the Western Europeans and the Americas laugh at them.

Also, Austria could never have united Germany: the non-Germans in Austria's empire would never have wanted to join a German ethnostate, while all the non-Austrian Germans would never have wanted a bunch of non-Germans in it. Austria would have had to give up their Empire for it to work and that would never have happened. Austria-Hungary was dysfunctional toward the end anyway and would never have made it work; it was basically the Sick man of Europe.
The Hapsburgs could have separated their German holdings from their non-German ones. Which is something they already did during the heyday of their empire; some states had direct Hapsburg rule, others had indirect rule via princelings or viceroys.

Also, the Sick Man of Europe were the Ottomans.

That's what 50 years of being told you are the most evil race in the world will do to you.
To be fair, it's a narrative supported by both the western allies and the Russians. So it's hard to shake off that idea, when people from both sides of your borders got screwed over by you, especially during the days of the Nazi SS where they really did some icky shit that would only be topped in the European theater by the Red Army's crimes.

Those guys were EX-military. They weren't actual employees of the U.S. government. They didn't use U.S. military equipment. They didn't have U.S. diplomatic or military passports. They didn't train in U.S. bases. They were a private company hired to do work for the U.S. government for cheap.
The Wagner Group also has closer ties to Putin due to its leaders having close ties with him. This is like what if Blackwater had personal ties to Donald Trump or Joe Biden and did their dirty work.

Because not even being dead protects you from being disgraced by the Russian army, I guess.......

the hard part is finding people in the russian army who will do the safekeeping and actually conduct maintenance instead of selling off half of the stuff you give them on the black market
That's basically the hard part of having a cohesive Russian force, period. The people whom you'd count on to keep things from falling into corruption are probably corrupt themselves. If you're dealing with low-ranking Russians, they live in such shit conditions that they will sell off supplies and fuel just to have more money back home, and if you're dealing with people who have oligarch ties, then they won't care about the plebs missing some ammo or fuel.

It's corruption going in both ways, which can't be healthy for society. Russia makes Compton look like a paradise.
 
not for cheap lol PMCs are hilariously expensive compared to regular troops.
you use PMCs when sending regular troops would be politically inconvenient because the military is subject to a ton of institutional and parliamentary oversight mechanisms. if you send PMCs instead, you can ignore all that stuff.
Private contractors do shit the military needs done but doesn't care enough to have their own soldiers do it, like security detail and guard duty. They are actually prevented, by international agreements, from taking part in actual combat. They can only defend themselves.
Most of what Blackwater did in Iraq was actually guarding/escorting State Department convoys.
They figured it was better to have a bunch of Ex-SEALs and Ex-Rangers riding escort rather than having some enlisted kids in their 20s do it or risk tieing down the active-duty rangers & SEALs to play baby-sitter.
Exactly. They do the jobs that the military doesn't want to do, but needs doing.
 
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