Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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It is quite obvious the US Government does not want to offer an OUT to anyone in Russia, nevermind Putin. They desire to slam Ukraine with as much intensity as possible to force the war to become as dirty and long as possible, and entice Russia to expend more energy and resources to the region. The Russian demands for a negotiated peace in the Donbas were not unreasonable, but anybody in Ukraine suggesting it would almost certainly end up being overthrown (and now would probably just be taken outside and shot).

The current Western demands are essentially DELUSIONAL: they still think there is a path for a Russian withdrawal from Crimea! Nevermind the Donbas regions. There is simply zero reality where anybody in the Russian government would agree to such terms. At this point bringing in the Ukrainian government into Crimea would be like agreeing to have ISIS ruling over the people of Israel. DELUSIONAL.

Even if some palace-coup stooge they keep talking about agrees to withdraw from Crimea, the new Russian government will immediately have to deal with Western-funded separatist and color revolutions in Siberia and will once again find themselves on the defensive from Western soft power and a strategy of containment while attempting to uphold their international image.

The best solution for Russia in the current environment they find themselves, is likely to do exactly what I think Putin is now doing: simply normalize the situation in Eastern Ukraine and shore up the territories they hold. Then keep a disputed border with Western Ukraine they can periodically make incursions into, a constant state of limited war. Very similar to the State of Israel making incursions into its Palestinian neighbors. Yes the usual freaks screech loudly on Twitter, but for the rest of the world life goes on business as usual.

Ukraine will have a total war economy for perpetuity, well supplied by the West, but limited in its actual engagement with the Russian army. It's ironic that Zelensky looks to Israel as his inspiration for a future Ukraine, when they will likely end up being Palestine.
I've been wondering if Ukraine is to become the European Afghanistan, in a sense. Not the best analogy but the US in particular seems perfectly content keeping the blood flowing as long as it hurts Russia in some form or another. Never mind that it also hurts Ukraine, Ukraine supplies the manpower and the West supplies the gear. The gear is effectively limitless and no one seems to care what the manpower limit is.
 
Hey pushing those papers really works up a sweat. Those silly grunts just wouldn't understand. Sometimes on really bad days the heating or air conditioning goes out. That's worth a medal or three.
Personally, never let the possibility of getting a medal or not getting a medal concern me at all. Just concentrated on getting my missions done. Suggest the US military could do with fewer ribbons and medals; the fewer there are, the more meaningful the medals/ribbons awarded. When you look at a military member's rack of ribbons, the only ones worth taking seriously are those above the National Defense Service Medal, which ribbon is red, white, yellow and a tiny bit of blue. Those above the NDSM are for actual individual achievements, those below it are the "I was there" and "I never got caught" types.


 
Civvies are flooding into Europe, already it's way worse than the 2015 migrant wave and the EU isn't equipped to handle it.
These are Europeans, this situation is not comparable. All they really need is legal documentation and the ability to start working. But EU officials don't want that because people will start to put down roots and won't want to return to a war torn Ukraine that was a corrupt shithole before the war, but now will be a total desolate and ravaged dumpster fire with zero economy. EU is still holding on to some quick victory over the Russians and they can all return to a Free and Democratic Ukraine, so they are holed up in refugee camps while the young women turn to Tinder for their way out.
 
Last I checked they were saying 2.5 million in Poland alone. :stress:
Of those 2.5 million, I doubt all of them will want to go back. Even without a war, Ukraine isn’t a place even some Ukrainians want to live in. People say Russia has a population issue, but Ukraine gets overlooked. Between the amount of people fleeing and those dying, especially lots of young men, getting the population back to pre-war levels will be difficult.
 
I've been wondering if Ukraine is to become the European Afghanistan, in a sense. Not the best analogy but the US in particular seems perfectly content keeping the blood flowing as long as it hurts Russia in some form or another. Never mind that it also hurts Ukraine, Ukraine supplies the manpower and the West supplies the gear. The gear is effectively limitless and no one seems to care what the manpower limit is.
It will be interesting if we start seeing suicide bombings as a tactic coming out of Ukraine. The levels of fanaticism we are seeing are almost there. Not quite yet, but almost.
 
Personally, never let the possibility of getting a medal or not getting a medal concern me at all. Just concentrated on getting my missions done. Suggest the US military could do with fewer ribbons and medals; the fewer there are, the more meaningful the medals/ribbons awarded. When you look at a military member's rack of ribbons, the only ones worth taking seriously are those above the National Defense Service Medal, which ribbon is red, white, yellow and a tiny bit of blue. Those above the NDSM are for actual individual achievements, those below it are the "I was there" and "I never got caught" types.


Seems like the military has the same kind of thinking as a video game style achievements system.

You get a achievement or trophy for just completing the level or even just shooting one bullet or completing the tutorial level.
 
It will be interesting if we start seeing suicide bombings as a tactic coming out of Ukraine. The levels of fanaticism we are seeing are almost there. Not quite yet, but almost.
With how it's going, terrorist attacks on Russian soil is of greater concern.
I am surprised non happened yet, considering how many Ukrainians are in Russia.
Also, reports from both side state that soldiers had blown themself up with grenades to not be captured. One Chechen was postmortem awarded Hero of the Russian Federation. Here's the article in Russian (In short, was heavily wounded, surrounded, blown himself up with the enemy.). Still might be just propaganda, hard to verify such things without any video evidence.
 
It is quite obvious the US Government does not want to offer an OUT to anyone in Russia, nevermind Putin. They desire to slam Ukraine with as much intensity as possible to force the war to become as dirty and long as possible, and entice Russia to expend more energy and resources to the region. The Russian demands for a negotiated peace in the Donbas were not unreasonable, but anybody in Ukraine suggesting it would almost certainly end up being overthrown (and now would probably just be taken outside and shot).

The current Western demands are essentially DELUSIONAL: they still think there is a path for a Russian withdrawal from Crimea! Nevermind the Donbas regions. There is simply zero reality where anybody in the Russian government would agree to such terms. At this point bringing in the Ukrainian government into Crimea would be like agreeing to have ISIS ruling over the people of Israel. DELUSIONAL.

Even if some palace-coup stooge they keep talking about agrees to withdraw from Crimea, the new Russian government will immediately have to deal with Western-funded separatist and color revolutions in Siberia and will once again find themselves on the defensive from Western soft power and a strategy of containment while attempting to uphold their international image.

The best solution for Russia in the current environment they find themselves, is likely to do exactly what I think Putin is now doing: simply normalize the situation in Eastern Ukraine and shore up the territories they hold. Then keep a disputed border with Western Ukraine they can periodically make incursions into, a constant state of limited war. Very similar to the State of Israel making incursions into its Palestinian neighbors. Yes the usual freaks screech loudly on Twitter, but for the rest of the world life goes on business as usual.

Ukraine will have a total war economy for perpetuity, well supplied by the West, but limited in its actual engagement with the Russian army. It's ironic that Zelensky looks to Israel as his inspiration for a future Ukraine, when they will likely end up being Palestine.
How is Russia going to do this lol

The best Moscow can hope for is status quo ante bellum if it doesn't win a smashing victory in the east. Dunno if it's real or not but I've heard the reason the pincer offensive north and south hasn't started yet is the MoD is uncertain if they can pull off the southern pincer, they're deciding if they still want to try it or just try an offensive from the north. Every day they hold off is another day the hohols get to strengthen the northern and southern flanks against an attempt to sweep behind their eastern army and cut it off

The delusions about what Russia is capable of never end, they don't have the capability to occupy large areas of hohol territory and launch raids into this alleged hohol rump state whenever they feel like it indefinitely
 
Dunno if it's real or not but I've heard the reason the pincer offensive north and south hasn't started yet is the MoD is uncertain if they can pull off the southern pincer, they're deciding if they still want to try it or just try an offensive from the north. Every day they hold off is another day the hohols get to strengthen the northern and southern flanks against an attempt to sweep behind their eastern army and cut it off
I understand this may be quite sensitive but can you share a bit about your inside-man in the Russian MoD?
 
I understand this may be quite sensitive but can you share a bit about your inside-man in the Russian MoD?
11 year old hohol taken from Mariupol now in Moscow cleaning Kremlin toilets of course

My sources go deep into Russia's plumbing

So deep

One of them sabotaged the toilet in Putin's private Kremlin bathroom, that's why all those FSB officers got arrested and Vlad moved to the nuke bunkers in the Urals. In Russia chimpe Putin don't fling shit, toilet fling shit at chimpe Putin. Russia merely adopted indoor plumbing, hohols were born in it. Slava Ukraini toilet battalion
 
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But back on topic, check out these Russian guntrucks, meeting up with a convoy; Ivan is rocking around Ukraine in fucking technicals, probably diverted from Syria. Their shit sucks even worse than ours did in '04, which was mostly soft-side HMMWVs and hardtop deuces, which had been sitting around in V Corps/Germany since the 80's (at least). Fuck, at least we put some armox on the things.
Interestingly those pickups are setup different from the ones used by the 30th Separate Motorized Brigade.
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It will be interesting if we start seeing suicide bombings as a tactic coming out of Ukraine. The levels of fanaticism we are seeing are almost there. Not quite yet, but almost.
Completely unrelated question, but did Ukraine classify Ammonia Nitrate as a blasting agent? If farmers are sitting on thousands of tons of boom-boom with nothing to fertilize, tractor memes are going to be lit.
 
There were 2 major language laws in Ukraine that I know of that impacted "minority languages." The second one (wiki link) was no doubt done specifically to depress Russian in Ukraine though I'd argue both were.
I don't even disagree with promoting your own national identity in public institutions but by the modern loosey goosey terms of "genocide" that second law is certainly "cultural genocide" by design. Basically every language in Ukraine except Russia had some form of an exception.

The first law is where the famous parliament fight picture comes from.

The reason it's worth knowing about in regards to current happenings is this is why it's easy to get support for Russian-leaning separatists to begin with, even if Russia stoked those embers and fanned those flames the entire time. Ukraine made it easy for young Russian speakers to see that they're not welcome in the place they were born in.
How is "we want books, music and tv programs in ukraine be in ukrainan language" comparable to "we are going to take ophans from your city, take them away far away in russia and told them that ukraine is country of nazi that has to be erased from earth"?

Even if that law overreach ethnic minority, this is prime example of concern trolling. Also, guess who is young example of russian-speaking ukrainian?
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""It's ok when the west does it because they have a higher standard of living."
I don't really care either way, both sides are notorious for it, though the West is more prevalent in the 21st century.
I've never said any of that. My point is that the west at leas has some promise to it, why would nations want to align with it.
 
A few days ago US 'volunteer' posted a pic with the new American soldier 'Shrek'
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That sad sack of soft shit is what we call "tore up from floor up". I'm surprised they didn't volunteer him as a "sapper" for that .mil clout; he wanted them to pin a medal on his corpse for something.
Interestingly those pickups are setup different from the ones used by the 30th Separate Motorized Brigade.
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Yeah, the ones in that TikTok look like the Russians liberated a dealer or shipment of fleet vehicles bound for somewhere else.
Completely unrelated question, but did Ukraine classify Ammonia Nitrate as a blasting agent? If farmers are sitting on thousands of tons of boom-boom with nothing to fertilize, tractor memes are going to be lit.
There's enough unexpended ordnance buried in their fields to keep them busy for years, and they'll probably never need to buy fertilizer again.
 
How is "we want books, music and tv programs in ukraine be in ukrainan language" comparable to "we are going to take ophans from your city, take them away far away in russia and told them that ukraine is country of nazi that has to be erased from earth"?
I didn't say anything like this. However if you read the wiki sub-section you'll see it's not just "we want media to be in Ukrainian" it's "Media will be in Ukrainian, including foreign films which must be approved before being aired in Ukraine," and more.
Not that I think it's the worst thing ever, it's just hypocritical that the West would be supportive of such a law when if you even try to promote something similar in those very countries you will be called a Nazi.

It's worth trying to understand different perspectives in this and realize that the invasion didn't come out of nowhere, that's all. Though I personally think Russia (Putin) has been making the situation worse for years so as to lead to the invasion.
Even if that law overreach ethnic minority, this is prime example of concern trolling. Also, guess who is young example of russian-speaking ukrainian?
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Oh well never mind, the primarily Russian-speaking demographic has no reason to be upset after all.

I've never said any of that. My point is that the west at leas has some promise to it, why would nations want to align with it.
Agreed but I think it's disingenuous to pretend the West hasn't been directly meddling in Ukraine affairs for a long time now. Biden was famously there personally preventing an investigation into corruption with billions of US tax dollars on the line if the investigation continued. C'mon man!
 
I swear, american culture is centered around nigger. We could discuss Russian invasion on Ukraine and all they can think about is niggers. :story:
it really is all you have to do is go to an American history class and all they will tell you about is Niggers and the holocaust. I was once in class and a guy said the civil war was a for redemption for all the messed up things we did to Indians and niggers.
 
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