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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Some people have already started to send messages to the father about his dead son and mock him for his death and apparent pro-Russian views.

Corpsebaggers are as vile as Z-Russians, do not change my mind.

not gonna trying to change your mind and I'm not sure on your definition of "corpsebaggers", but here is my experience

in 2014, when a lot of Ukrainians, especially volunteers were ill trained and got ass handed to them, entire mother Russia was gloating with photos of their corpses strewn about, victorious Russiabros making jokes of dumb hohol untemenscht. I still remember when that Il with 50 Ukrainian servicemen went down and all I saw were these massive celebrations. I remember that shit like it was yesterday. I remember likes of Milchakov mutilating corpses, cutting off fingers and ears and posing over dead bodies. It felt bad, bro. I still feel it.

Now, when I see russiabros with parade uniforms packed, trying to roll over en-masse like it was 2014 and get burned into crispy critters, the joy that I feel is not the joy of them dying, it's the little joy of Gd's justice, where strong aggressor got its well deserved end. There is very little justice in this world, so just this once, I want to fully appreciate it, however brief it will be.


Z-Russians ... over 20 years ago there was a West Ukrainian pop song that succinctly describes the difference in cultures:

ви ще граєте в війну, ми пшеницю сієм

you are still playing war, we are sawing wheat

the whole massive 9th of May cult, dressing your toddlers into "patriotic" tanks and uniforms to celebrate with glorious parades, balloons and large festivities ... while the rest of the world sees war anniversaries as "day of remembrance", a day of reflection, as in US, it's not a holiday or celebration, "Memorial day is not celebrated ... it is observed"

Russians are fucked in the brain celebrating their obsession with wars of conquest. Not honoring their vets living in squalor, not trying to rebury hundreds of thousands of bones still in the marshlands ... but celebrating violence like it's Christmas, well ... they need a fucking dose with reality, may be even on daily basis.

The culture of lies, Russian absurd WWII movies, propaganda, classifying WWII archives, multiple laws to suppress inconvenient history ... all this shit is bearing fruit, Karma whatever. They need fucking shock therapy of truth, they need to see their servicemen abandoned in the field being eaten by dogs, they need to see it every day until they are puking.

This shit is not patriotic, it's uniquely Russian in the degree of retardation, I literally don't know any other nation in this world who would want to dress their toddlers like this, I don't, I never found another country so obcessed with celebrating war and completely hell bend on making history illegal.

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Zelensky: 'This is the most horrifying thing I have seen in my life'​


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a CNN interview that he was shocked almost beyond words by a heartbreaking video of a mother identifying her son's body.
During the interview, which aired Sunday, the CNN anchor, Jake Tapper, played a video of a Ukrainian woman collapsing into tears after she had seen the body of her son in a well.
"What is it like for you, as the president of this country, to see those videos — to hear the crying of the moms?"
"This is the most horrifying thing I have seen in my life," Zelensky replied. "I look at this first of all as a father. It hurts so, so much. It's a tragedy. It is suffering. I won't be able to imagine the scale of suffering of these people, of this woman. It is a family's tragedy. It is a disaster. It is the dreams and life you've just lost. We live for our kids, that's true. Kids are the best we were given by God."

Zelensky told CNN that he finds he has to separate his government role from his personal life while watching videos like this.
"It is a great pain for me. I can't watch it as a father, only because all you want after this is for revenge and to kill. I have to watch it as the president of the state where a lot of people have died and lost their loved ones," he said, stressing that he needs to push for peace to end the suffering. "We all have to do our best for the war to not be endless. The longer it is, the more we would lose. All these losses will be just like that one."
According to the Daily Beast, the woman had just identified her young son in the village of Buzova, near Kyiv. The outskirts of the Ukrainian capital have been the site of atrocities found in the wake of Russian military withdrawal from the area. Journalists and other observers saw bodies strewn on the side of roads in suburbs like Bucha, some with their hands tied behind their backs. Ukrainian police say they have found over 900 civilian bodies in the region. (Russia denies responsibility, although some of the Kremlin's claims have been disproved by satellite and other evidence.)

But with once-thriving Ukrainian cities like Mariupol besieged by Russians and reduced to rubble, Zelensky noted that it's impossible to get a full assessment of the casualties so far in the war, which Russia launched in February. More than 10 million Ukrainians have been displaced because of the violence, and more than 4 million of them have fled the country, according to the United Nations.
"Russia calls it a 'military operation' and not a 'war.' But look what happened in Bucha. It's clear that is not even a war; it's a genocide," Zelensky said.
"They just kill people — not soldiers, people. They just shot people in the streets. People riding bicycles, taking the bus, or just walking down the street. There were corpses lining the streets. These were corpses lining the streets. These were not soldiers; they were civilians. They bound their hands. They forced children to watch as they raped their mothers. Then they threw them in a well, or in mass graves. Children. Adults. The elderly."
 
Can you imagine the degree of incompetance on display if the ship did in fact go down with most or all hands?
That's almost certain. A crew distracted by those fuzzy drone-shaped things on radar plus Russian incompetence means zero combat readiness despite the nation being at war, and the rough sea conditions would have made any combat damage immeasurably worse. All it would take is watertight bulkheads not being sealed and the ship would be nothing more than a watery grave for everyone who couldn't get to a lifeboat... which would be most of them, assuming the lifeboats even worked.

Or in other words, the Russian Navy would have had to have done literally everything wrong in order for such a course of events to happen, and I'm not willing to bet against the odds of that given what we've seen.

Hey, <Slav Gibberish because I can't fucking @ you for shit>, there any good Russian patriotic songs? We've already had Mussolini Invades Greece show up on YouTube, so I'm waiting for the "Putin Invades Ukraine" redux of that.

Random aside, but fuck YouTube and this nonsense "Shorts" thing they've added. Just give me the fucking video...
 
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not gonna trying to change your mind and I'm not sure on your definition of "corpsebaggers", but here is my experience

in 2014, when a lot of Ukrainians, especially volunteers were ill trained and got ass handed to them, entire mother Russia was gloating with photos of their corpses strewn about, victorious Russiabros making jokes of dumb hohol untemenscht. I still remember when that Il with 50 Ukrainian servicemen went down and all I saw were these massive celebrations. I remember that shit like it was yesterday. I remember likes of Milchakov mutilating corpses, cutting off fingers and ears and posing over dead bodies. It felt bad, bro. I still feel it.

Now, when I see russiabros with parade uniforms packed, trying to roll over en-masse like it was 2014 and get burned into crispy critters, the joy that I feel is not the joy of them dying, it's the little joy of Gd's justice, where strong aggressor got its well deserved end. There is very little justice in this world, so just this once, I want to fully appreciate it, however brief it will be.
Russiaboos on the internet are so detached from reality that they root for a country which has everything bad about the West multiplied. This is right-wing internet troll culture reaching levels of peak retardation that surpasses the SJWs on the Left.

the whole massive 9th of May cult, dressing your toddlers into "patriotic" tanks and uniforms to celebrate with glorious parades, balloons and large festivities ... while the rest of the world sees war anniversaries as "day of remembrance", a day of reflection, as in US, it's not a holiday or celebration, "Memorial day is not celebrated ... it is observed"

Russians are fucked in the brain celebrating their obsession with wars of conquest. Not honoring their vets living in squalor, not trying to rebury hundreds of thousands of bones still in the marshlands ... but celebrating violence like it's Christmas, well ... they need a fucking dose with reality, may be even on daily basis.

The culture of lies, Russian absurd WWII movies, propaganda, classifying WWII archives, multiple laws to suppress inconvenient history ... all this shit is bearing fruit, Karma whatever. They need fucking shock therapy of truth, they need to see their servicemen abandoned in the field being eaten by dogs, they need to see it every day until they are puking.

This shit is not patriotic, it's uniquely Russian in the degree of retardation, I literally don't know any other nation in this world who would want to dress their toddlers like this, I don't, I never found another country so obcessed with celebrating war and completely hell bend on making history illegal.

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Usually, mothers would try to stop their kids from joining the army so that their kids wouldn't end up being a statistic on a casualties list. But it seems that Russia encourages mothers to have their kids become cannon fodder for the military. It's both scary and amusing at the same time.

It's Russian naval tradition.
British naval tradition: rum, sodomy, and the lash (according to Winston Churchill)
Russian naval tradition: absolutely screw everything up in the worst possible way (as per the Russo-Japanese War)
 
Russian naval tradition: absolutely screw everything up in the worst possible way (as per the Russo-Japanese War)
Its only a matter of time until a ship reports a torpedo boat attack... Yes, a torpedo boat attack in the year of our lord 2022. History does love to repeat itself after all... and nobody fails to learn from history like Russians.
 
Its only a matter of time until a ship reports a torpedo boat attack... Yes, a torpedo boat attack in the year of our lord 2022. History does love to repeat itself after all... and nobody fails to learn from history like Russians.
Considering they turned WW2 history into one big propaganda push, yes, it seems that they will repeat what has happened before. Like tanks getting stuck in the mud.
 
That's almost certain. A crew distracted by those fuzzy drone-shaped things on radar plus Russian incompetence means zero combat readiness despite the nation being at war, and the rough sea conditions would have made any combat damage immeasurably worse. All it would take is watertight bulkheads not being sealed and the ship would be nothing more than a watery grave for everyone who couldn't get to a lifeboat... which would be most of them, assuming the lifeboats even worked.

Or in other words, the Russian Navy would have had to have done literally everything wrong in order for such a course of events to happen, and I'm not willing to bet against the odds of that given what we've seen.

Hey, <Slav Gibberish because I can't fucking @ you for shit>, there any good Russian patriotic songs? We've already had Mussolini Invades Greece show up on YouTube, so I'm waiting for the "Putin Invades Ukraine" redux of that.

Random aside, but fuck YouTube and this nonsense "Shorts" thing they've added. Just give me the fucking video...
Well there's something else possibly or likely going on there, that we are only just starting to get a feel for. And it illustrate a core failing of the Russian Navy. Although one not unique to them. The Imperial Japanese Navy is infamous for this.

Note that Russia has clearly let it be known that the Captain died in the first explosion. I suspect that this is true. He was probably at his station. And a lot of seniormost officers probably died with him. The Russian Navy is very top down focused.ike the Army there are no non coms. No career Master Chiefs whos job it is to get shit done when it needs getting done. All actions, all orders, come from the higher officers. You lose them, then nobody in charge is giving Damage Control Orders to the terified and innebriated conscripts that barely know how to push a mop. And thus proper Damage Control isn't happening. It's a systemic flaw with the Russian and Soviet Military dating back to the Tsar's.

Thus we see a massive loss of life.
 
I've seen some news agencies say that it was a Greek Ship, not a Turkish one that rescued 54. It still seems strange that there is a consistant story of 54 rescued by a third party vessel, but everyone is unclear on who made the rescue and where they might be if it had been made?

Can you imagine the degree of incompetance on display if the ship did in fact go down with most or all hands? Especially after Putin said it was evacuated and under tow? I think this conscript cooks Dad is just the begining. It was the outraged parents that forced the truth to come out over the Kursk.
Getting information about a ship that went down can be difficult. The fog of war swirls around such events. Satellites at least make it possible to tell that the ship is gone, but not much else.

The fact that the US DOD or another country hasn't released any clear satellite photos of a smoking wreck being towed makes me think it went down in a matter of hours. All that has really been shown is a synthetic aperture radar image.

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She went from being the pride of the Russian Surface Fleet to a couple of orange pixels.

Edit: pictures of the smoldering wreck have emerged.
 
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Usually, mothers would try to stop their kids from joining the army so that their kids wouldn't end up being a statistic on a casualties list. But it seems that Russia encourages mothers to have their kids become cannon fodder for the military. It's both scary and amusing at the same time.

Russia hasn't really felt a sting of losses, even Chechen war was not nearly as bad, so probability of survival was fairly high. After 2014 when they literally showed up and everyone got medals for essentially posing and "being polite". Then Syrian campaign was basically bombing a bunch of niggers and using Wagner extensively. To Russians, wars appear minimum loss, great combat pay and a bunch of washing machines shipped back.

In 2000, 30 of Pskov VDV were delivered in coffins and it was huge shock, literally entire city showed up. Since then, in 2014, losses were much higher, plus they "technically" were not suppose to be there, so losses flat out denied and stream of coffins which was in hundreds, came with delays, bodies were buried at dawn, very quickly not to draw attention of the press. The same strategy to spread the losses over time is being used right now.

Even more shocking was the practice to buy silence of the family, especially in 2014 when RF regulars were not suppose to be in Ukraine. If family spoke out, they were not paid compensation. There were backdated cases of dead soldiers leaving army and most shocking was the story of a woman who did not awknoledge her husband being active duty in Rf military and even him being her husband.



Aftermath of FAB-1000 (about 500kg of TNT or 1000#s), for reference Hiroshima got 15'000kg TNT equivalent.





Also somewhat hilarious.

Soviet cartoon circa 1973. A bunch of pioneers explore sea bottom in a submarine name .... "Neptune"

They come across sunk "Nazi ship" marked Z29. One kid asks, how do you know it's a sunk Nazi ship? Because all Nazi ships are marker with letter "Z"

now Roskomnadzon is scrubbing Soviet kid cartoons ... because obvious bad optics and connotation.

 
in 2014, when a lot of Ukrainians, especially volunteers were ill trained and got ass handed to them, entire mother Russia was gloating with photos of their corpses strewn about, victorious Russiabros making jokes of dumb hohol untemenscht. I still remember when that Il with 50 Ukrainian servicemen went down and all I saw were these massive celebrations. I remember that shit like it was yesterday. I remember likes of Milchakov mutilating corpses, cutting off fingers and ears and posing over dead bodies. It felt bad, bro. I still feel it.
I know how it feels. I fucking remember that happening and I remember the utter terror of having to flee my home area and reading Russians gloating about Ukrainians.

I also remember one of my relatives wanting to join the separatists and how almost mad he has become.

That doesn't matter.

The fact that sadists tormented that guy's father won't make him see the error of his ways. You're basically gloating over his son's corpse. He will remain an idiot and now his grief is compounded by additional trauma.

I hate Russians. I will always be suspicious of Russians and will probably harbour prejudice towards them for the rest of my life. That being said, just because you're fighting with an animal doesn't mean you have to become one. If you must kill an animal, you must do it humanely and put two between the eyes, rather than hacking off its limbs and enjoying its suffering. If you are the latter, you are no different than the animal you're killing, if not worse.
 
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Quick update, this seems to be the Moskva. The ship appears to be a Slava-Class cruiser, and unless there was a major accident on one of these ships before, I think we have our photo of her above water before she sunk. She's already listing to port.
 
Some /k/ommando found this possible image of the struck cruiser.

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The shape and superstructure seems to line up with this file photo:

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Am I being rused or does this appear to be genuine?
Hate to double post, but it looks correct, the strangest thing is that this shouldn't be a fatal hit. Is russian damage control really that bad?
 
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