War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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The west has independent journalism, not sponsored by the government, and even journalism that is nominally government-sponsored (such as PBS or NPR) doesn't operate with someone from the government sitting in the office telling the anchors what to say. And even if mainstream journalism breaks down, there are various outlets up to and including blogs on the left and the right from dedicated citizens who go to shit like the school board and the water board and tell people what's going on. Are there occasional hiccups? Of course. Are some things printed that later turn out to be bullshit? Yes.

I appreciate that you just got to our planet, but under no circumstances can Western Journalism be considered "independent." All they do is lie, and while there might occasionally be some outliers, on this issue, all the lies are reinforcing the same exact position.

But this is like the Biblical mote and beam.

Russia has one kind of journalism: government-sponsored. Google "Russia journalism" and on the front page there are articles from the Wilson Center, Amnesty International, NBC News, and The New Yorker about how journalists have been forcibly silenced in Russia since this shit began.

It's like someone upthread said: We think these people have access to the information that what used to be called the "Free World" enjoys, but they do not. You and I know more about what's happening there on (what is for me) the far side of the world than the average Russian knows about what's happening in the next country over.

These fuckers don't understand flush toilets, but you assume they're getting fair and balanced reporting?
I don't assume anything, you won't find me claiming Russian journalism is "fair and balanced."
 
Russian propaganda machine lie from the top, propagate lies through their state media mouthpieces, outlaw dissenting views and kills/imprisons any opposition.
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There have been stills of the Moskva, but I don't think anybody posted video:

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1515958749705478152

I'm a boomer, I don't know how to steal Twitter vidz for local copy.
Kek remember when the Russkies were claiming it sank under towing due to a storm? Fucking sea is calmer than a hippie on xanax.

Also missed this a few days ago, but apparently the Ukrainian Minister of Defence, who is a diver himself, has suggested the wreck of the Moskva might make a nice diving site. I haven't been diving in forever, and I tend to prefer doing it in warmer climes, but ngl kinda tempted to go out there once this is all over.
 
There have been stills of the Moskva, but I don't think anybody posted video:

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1515958749705478152

I'm a boomer, I don't know how to steal Twitter vidz for local copy.
For your info and others as it's convenient and proper to have things uploaded here.

Use yt-dlp which works for pretty much everything. On twitter it defaults to naming the file the full tweet so you have to manually set the name sometimes.
Here's the command I used from your tweet for reference.
yt-dlp -o 20220418_russian_tug_shakter_sb922_along_moskva_ship.mp4 "https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1515958749705478152"
I think there are browser plugins too but I don't use them so no clue.
 
I'm saying I don't think what the West considers victory matters to Putin and he will just do what he does and declare victory even if lead is still flying and blood is still being shed, which is almost certain.
The blood didn't stop flowing in Chechnya after victory was declared, not for years.
If this is your idea of Russia's war ending then I'm not sure you understand what was being talked about or you're just interested in continuing on with your own head-canon.

Also not sure if this got posted already, but some people are claiming this is a video of Zelensky drunk posting a video of himself.
Implied translation: “52 days. We work (shows speech), we love (family photo), we are thankful (gifted cockerel from destroyed borodyanka flat), we are proud (flag), we will be victorious”

 
Also Google sat views is now NOT blocking anything on RF, so you can get decent res pics of all the strategic and military objects ... like Russia's only remaining career Kuzya:
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Kuzya has rusted since the last time he tried to kill itself
That made it a lot easier to find Moskva's sister ship, Marshal Ustinov, sitting next to Kirov-class Pyotr Velikiy(?) in Severomorsk; which should be in the Mediterranean by now. Thanks google!
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Along with a few other things, like this big bitch.
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And these frigates.
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If this is your idea of Russia's war ending then I'm not sure you understand what was being talked about or you're just interested in continuing on with your own head-canon.
I may have misunderstood you somewhere along the line. In any case we're not on the same page right now and I don't feel like longposting again.
Also not sure if this got posted already, but some people are claiming this is a video of Zelensky drunk posting a video of himself.
Implied translation: “52 days. We work (shows speech), we love (family photo), we are thankful (gifted cockerel from destroyed borodyanka flat), we are proud (flag), we will be victorious”

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If this is drunkposting it's pretty decent. He may just be super worn out.
I can't blame him either way.
 
If this is your idea of Russia's war ending then I'm not sure you understand what was being talked about or you're just interested in continuing on with your own head-canon.

Also not sure if this got posted already, but some people are claiming this is a video of Zelensky drunk posting a video of himself.
Implied translation: “52 days. We work (shows speech), we love (family photo), we are thankful (gifted cockerel from destroyed borodyanka flat), we are proud (flag), we will be victorious”

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This reminded me of certain "Kuwait Nurse" I wonder if today you have academies for actors in this regard, it could be quite useful
 
Kek remember when the Russkies were claiming it sank under towing due to a storm? Fucking sea is calmer than a hippie on xanax.

Also missed this a few days ago, but apparently the Ukrainian Minister of Defence, who is a diver himself, has suggested the wreck of the Moskva might make a nice diving site. I haven't been diving in forever, and I tend to prefer doing it in warmer climes, but ngl kinda tempted to go out there once this is all over.

Bare in mind, most nations consider warships lost at sea to be war memorials.
 
Also not sure if this got posted already, but some people are claiming this is a video of Zelensky drunk posting a video of himself.
Implied translation: “52 days. We work (shows speech), we love (family photo), we are thankful (gifted cockerel from destroyed borodyanka flat), we are proud (flag), we will be victorious”

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That's almost like a cutscene from an unreleased C&C game; and I'd use it as such.
 

Colonel Ivan Grishin, the commander of Russia's 49th Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade, is reported to have been the latest high-ranking officer to have been killed in a massive blow to Moscow. He is said to have been killed in the Russian border town of Smolensk on Saturday, according to numerous reports circulating on social media. A post on VK, the Russian online social media and social networking service based in St Petersburg, appeared to confirm the killing of Grishin.

Just fucking how?
 
Like back then when we all thought that only a retard would take Putin's massing of his army near Ukraine seriously. And then look what happened.
Let me tell you how my thought processes went:
>He's not really going to invade Ukraine. He'd gain nothing except a bunch of pissed off Ukrainians.
>Okay, he's invading Ukraine, but he's got numbers, a battle plan, and he's got some way to keep them from chimping out in perpetuity, even if its just the FSB recreating the Holodomor.
>Jesus its Day 3 and his offense has completely bogged down, why aren't T-72's already bulldozing Kiev?
>Holy shit, the West is sending Ukraine gobs of aid and the Russians are stalemated and its only been a whole fucking week Shocked_announcers.jpg
>Oh my God, this is even more inept than the Red Army during Barbarossa. Putin should just commit sudoku after ordering this invasion.
>We are here: Blyat. Pass the vodka bottle, tovarisch.
But here lies the question. Would they concider action the LPDR or (however unlikely) an incursion into Cirimea as an invasion of sovereign territory?
I really don't think Putin is all that willing to hold onto the Donbass at this moment. Not because he never wanted it, but because their most valuable resource to modern Russia, warm bodies, has been rapidly depleted by his mass conscription. As a result it has no real strategic value anymore. That said, he'd totally level the place somehow once Ukraine moves in just out of spite. Russians have always been happy to smash things that have outlived their brief moment of utility.
People are used to seeing western forces do their thing, particularly US-led forces, and they are the exception to military competency not the rule.
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There's competency, and there's "How the fuck do you lose more men than the Japanese who refuse to let soldiers patch up bleeding wounds without orders?"
Also, events exposed a severe lack of procedures for emergency staunching of bleeding. The original Japanese doctrine explicitly forbade first aid to fellow soldiers without prior orders from an officer, and first-aid training was lacking. As result, a large proportion of Japanese dead was due to hemorrhaging from untreated wounds.
Remember, the Battle of Khalkhin-Gol is supposed to be a grand Soviet victory that ushered in the supremacy of tanks and motorized vehicles over mere infantry.

I suppose part of the problem though is that people are effectively speculating on what would be a lose condition for Ukraine or the west without coming out and saying so.
The lose condition is obvious: Ukraine is forced to accept disadvantageous terms as a result of an inability to continue the war, either through loss of military capability, morale, or territorial integrity. The minute Ukraine decides to pack it in and agree to Putin's terms, the war is over and the aid has to stop. A win condition for Ukraine would be Putin ceasing the invasion, but Europe is probably pissed enough they'll try to force reparations, especially since they're going to be the ones on the hook for fixing everything Putin smashed.
What? Zelensky and his cabinet are the ones saying they won't recognize Crimea or any territory as non-Ukrainian.
The fuck? That and an agreement to not join NATO were already offered by Zelensky early on and Putin rejected both out of hand. You know, his ostensible reasons for invasion.
Kuzya has rusted since the last time he tried to kill itself
Christ, what the fuck is going on with that thing? The Ukraina that's nothing but a decaying, unmaintained rust-bucket looks better than that.

And meanwhile, its clear what this tank crew from Kazan is looking to loot in Mariupol:
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The fuck? That and an agreement to not join NATO were already offered by Zelensky early on and Putin rejected both out of hand. You know, his ostensible reasons for invasion.
Honestly, I'm confused on this. The negotiations in Turkey initially had articles reporting that Ukraine I think agreed to concede Crimea and agree not to join NATO but then within that same week there was the 60 minute interview where Zelensky said they will relinquish nothing and fight Russia to the end. In that same interview, referencing Putin's requirements for a 1-on-1 meeting between Zelensky and Putin, Zelensky said he's just waiting for Putin's invitation even though Putin said it was to be determined after the other stuff was hashed out.

To sum that up, Zelensky says he will meet Putin to negotiate but is refusing any compromise in that particular interview which is quite recent. I'm not aware of any developments in negotiations since then.

And meanwhile, its clear what this tank crew from Kazan is looking to loot in Mariupol:
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It was posted I think in the Happenings thread that this is probably a Victoria Nuland reference.
 
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