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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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This was an FSB blackout. I bet you.
No takers. Also, speaking of oligarch stuff, I wonder just who really runs Russia. Putin, or the guys who have sucked up every bit of its wealth for themselves? It legitimately would not surprise me if Putin's power is a lot more limited than we think it is simply because those guys can just drop a stack of Ben Franklins in the hands of any FSB agents who come after them, and Putin can't. Loyalty is a transient thing in Russia, after all.
 
Russia, a land terrible at offense and loses every time, but thinks they are winners because they are unstoppable at defense.

It’s like dodgeball with a kid who can catch very well but then tosses the ball into the bleachers afterwards then shits himself.

If I was a Russian leader, I would do the following:

1. Declare the operation was a success and nazi brigade is neutralized. The Russian populace is so blind they will believe it to be a glorious victory.

2. Pull forces back. Strike a deal with Z-man and say “No NATO? No problem. Ceasefire for 10+ years or whatever.” Strike co-deal with west to remove various sanctions.

3. Open back up channels with west and seek Trump level diplomatic friendliness. Democrats are gonna lose midterms so fuck ‘em. Start fresh. Blame everything war related on Biden, “Nazis” and the oppression of the native Russians in Ukraine, but state the latter is now free from genocide or whatever bullshit lie.

4. During this process, shuffle cabinet and use the wartime closure to get rid of obnoxious political poison pills or corrupt oligarchs bringing nothing to the table. Ruin your previous generals and military personnel who are fucking retarded.

5. Work towards an economic growth during peacetime and strive to be in that unique position where you are the Costco of the west and east where every nigga is getting cheap gas.

I dunno, I’m dumb as hell though.
 
Russia, a land terrible at offense and loses every time, but thinks they are winners because they are unstoppable at defense.

It’s like dodgeball with a kid who can catch very well but then tosses the ball into the bleachers afterwards then shits himself.

If I was a Russian leader, I would do the following:

1. Declare the operation was a success and nazi brigade is neutralized. The Russian populace is so blind they will believe it to be a glorious victory.
There s a nice russian lady at my office and yep...her family back in the home land are brain washed according to her.
 
No takers. Also, speaking of oligarch stuff, I wonder just who really runs Russia. Putin, or the guys who have sucked up every bit of its wealth for themselves? It legitimately would not surprise me if Putin's power is a lot more limited than we think it is simply because those guys can just drop a stack of Ben Franklins in the hands of any FSB agents who come after them, and Putin can't. Loyalty is a transient thing in Russia, after all.
Putin probably has far more assets and wealth than anyone will ever know, I doubt he'd allow anyone to have more than he does, he at best allows loyal peons to have just a little less, also Franklins are useless if you're dead and going at the guy is a suicide mission.

That and he purged the FSB for the Ukraine anti-intelligence they provided.
 
The most worrying thingor recent event about Russia and nukes was those 2 planes that penetrated Finnish airspace back at the very begining of this were carrying actual nukes. Which quite frankly was an insane thing to do.
This is news to me and it seems to be sourced back to this article (originally in Swedish hence the URL)

Summary - 2 Su-24s (anonymously claimed to be armed with nukes) and 2 Su-27s violated Swedish airspace for ~1 minute and the Russian pilots seem to be the ultimate source that the planes were nuclear. Sweden sent out 2 JAS 39 Gripens but it isn't clear if they intercepted the Russians or were told "We're carrying nukes" during that process and then the Russians just left.


There doesn't seem to be anything concrete and the military won't confirm (or deny) the armament so it's literally who as a source and the Russian pilots could have been lying. tl;dr "We don't know anything, no one knows anything"

Was kind of hoping for pics of the loadout
 
Brutal way to go but they did pretty much everything wrong. Russia's not sending their best.
If they had better they would have sent it.
there were no concession to Crimea remaining in Russia's hands, merely 15 year agreement to work things out politically and any land consessions meant that it had to be approved by a nationwide referendum, i.e. not approved.

In the most recent interview Zelensky mentioned that if Mariupol falls then it will be end to negotiations. Reportedly there are still civilians there, I have no idea how, but they are pretty much the considered hostages. If they don't exist, the will to negotiate changes a whole lot.




This is the other "kid" MIA on Moscow. The parents are bitching that he is a conscript and was in combat, but they knew his assignment on Moscow and said absolutely nothing ... until Moscow was sunk. Comrade Putin said himself "no conscripts in combat"

The whole MIA at sea is very sus, unless there was a shitshow with liferafts you should be able to reasonably account for people. MIA only if they don't know where all liferafts are and they had a bunch of dudes jump overboard and there is a slight possibility that he is washed out to Odessa shores. Also, no body, no compensation pay for you.

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They had, what, 112 sailors at the awards ceremony they held for the Moskva crew?

I have a feeling there weren't many more still upright and presentable in public. I have a feeling they lost a fairly significant majority of the crew.
 
Russia, a land terrible at offense and loses every time, but thinks they are winners because they are unstoppable at defense.

It’s like dodgeball with a kid who can catch very well but then tosses the ball into the bleachers afterwards then shits himself.

If I was a Russian leader, I would do the following:

1. Declare the operation was a success and nazi brigade is neutralized. The Russian populace is so blind they will believe it to be a glorious victory.

2. Pull forces back. Strike a deal with Z-man and say “No NATO? No problem. Ceasefire for 10+ years or whatever.” Strike co-deal with west to remove various sanctions.

3. Open back up channels with west and seek Trump level diplomatic friendliness. Democrats are gonna lose midterms so fuck ‘em. Start fresh. Blame everything war related on Biden, “Nazis” and the oppression of the native Russians in Ukraine, but state the latter is now free from genocide or whatever bullshit lie.

4. During this process, shuffle cabinet and use the wartime closure to get rid of obnoxious political poison pills or corrupt oligarchs bringing nothing to the table. Ruin your previous generals and military personnel who are fucking retarded.

5. Work towards an economic growth during peacetime and strive to be in that unique position where you are the Costco of the west and east where every nigga is getting cheap gas.

I dunno, I’m dumb as hell though.
IDK man, kinda skeptical. Looks pretty straightforward, but you're clearly underestimating Putin's 9D chess skills.

Russia isn't also particularly good at defense. Their strategy is pretty simple: 1: Pull back, burn everything to the ground, and let the enemy run out of supplies. 2: Let the elements do most of the work. 3: Die massively in attritional battles along the way using Russia's nearly inexhaustible reserves of untrained conscripts to bleed the enemy white along the way.

When those above steps can't be done, you get the Sieges of Sevastopol and Port Arthur. Hell, just look at the Russo-Japanese War. The Japanese fought completely stupidly on land (to be expected of the IJA, naturally), and despite their inferior numbers both in men and materiel were able to break the Russians in the battles of Liaoyang and Mukden. Granted, they wound up suffering much higher casualties than the Russians, but that's to be expected when you launch assaults against entrenched, numerically superior forces.
 
Lenin statue reinstalled in Kherson

It certainly show how stupid those based Russia, 'Third Rome' dupes are.
I will never get how Russians can help themselves from jumping off a building when a large portion of the population worships Jews and Germans who starved and abused their entire country because some bearded fat rich kid didn't see work as fair.
 
Russia's channel 1 reports:

no losses among crew of Moscow ... just a reminder, the cruiser listed during towing in a bad storm and could not self right.

Those parents of conscripts are trying to discredit RF military, so it seems

Also lol at the "storm".





Ivans just don't seem to be good with RPGs and NLAWs, first it was the comedy with Polish made RPGs, now empty AT4 tubes are presented as captured trophies:

Russia Today news:
American grenade launcher AT4, also called m163. All these ... we captured, the whole warehouse, using these ourselves. Thank you to Sweden!


 
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Meanwhile in Ukraine, people are lining up in droves to get themselves some of those sweet, sweet Moskva stamps.
 
Because they seem to actually be retarded and are following the same logic as the Putin simps here are going on.
Lenin statue reinstalled in Kherson

It certainly show how stupid those based Russia, 'Third Rome' dupes are.
But Putin hates Commies! Despite praising th Soviet Union in the pass.
 
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‘We need answers’: relatives seek Moskva warship’s missing crew
As Russia suppresses information about its sinking, some share details of what they have found out

Pjotr Sauer and Andrew Roth
Mon 18 Apr 2022 15.33 BST
For days after the Moskva cruiser sank in the Black Sea, Yulia Tsyvova had been desperately searching for information about her son Andrei.

Like hundreds of other Russian families of the crew members, she had not been told whether he had survived the reported Ukrainian missile attack that had sunk the Russian flagship of the Black Sea fleet.

Then on Monday morning she received a call from the Russian defence ministry. Her son was dead.

“He was only 19, he was a conscript,” said Tsyvova, who wept as she spoke by telephone. “They didn’t tell me anything else, no information on when the funeral would be.

“I am sure he isn’t the only one who died.”

Family members of sailors who served onboard the Moskva are demanding answers as the ministry has sought to suppress information about what happened to the ship or its estimated 510-strong crew.

The total number of dead, wounded and missing remains a state secret. Tsyvov’s death, which has not been previously reported, is only the second confirmed from the warship. Another three families have gone public saying they cannot find their sons who were serving onboard.

Media reports suggest the number of casualties from the attack will be far higher, and the efforts to suppress information about the deaths have raised comparisons with the Kursk submarine incident that left 118 sailors dead and struck a blow to the prestige of a young President Vladimir Putin in 2000.

“This regime has never been very transparent about casualties,” said Alexander Gabuev, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Moscow Center, pointing to Russia’s military operations in Ukraine and Syria or the investigations into attacks at Beslan and the Dubrovka theatre. “A lot of this has precedence and it’s not something very new or very surprising.”

New information on the young sailors who died will also renew scrutiny about the Russian government’s use of conscripts in battle, something Putin had explicitly denied was the case early in the war.

The defence ministry was forced to admit it had deployed conscripts after some were captured in Ukraine in the first weeks of the war. It claimed it would no longer use them.

But several parents of Moskva crew members have told the Guardian and others that their sons onboard the ship were indeed conscripts and not professional soldiers on contract.

“A conscript who isn’t supposed to see active fighting is among those missing in action,” wrote Dmitry Shkrebets, whose son Yegor was a cook on the ship and is listed as missing in action. “Guys, how can you be missing in action in the middle of the high seas?!!!”

Photos and a video purporting to show the Moskva shortly before it sank emerged on Monday, nearly four days after it sank. The images showed that its lifeboats had been deployed, indicating an order was likely given to abandon ship.

Families of several crew members have said they managed to locate their family members alive.

Eskender Djeparov said he recognised his brother Akbar in a video released by the defence ministry that showed sailors from the Moskva meeting a top admiral in Sevastopol after the ship sank.

“We were very happy when we saw him in the video of the crew in Sevastopol,” Djeparov said. “The day after the tragedy, he called our mother and said that he is alive and well. That she shouldn’t worry about him. He hasn’t told us what happened, he doesn’t say much. He calls us from different numbers. He is a conscript, he started last July. He definitely never signed a contract.”

“It’s fraught with consequences,” wrote Valery Grinburg of Monchegorsk, near Murmansk. “And Evgeny did not say anything anyway.”

Asked if he was onboard the ship, he wrote “yes” and then deleted the message. Asked how he knew about his relative’s condition, he wrote: “I called into the ministry of defence.”

But many others have been less lucky. Shkrebets was one of the first to go public demanding answers about why his son was sent to war. “They said that the entire crew was evacuated. It’s a lie! A cruel and cynical lie!”

His wife, Irina, told the independent Russian website the Insider that they had seen about 200 injured sailors at a military hospital in Crimea while looking for their son. The total crew of the Moskva was estimated at just over 500.

“We looked at every burnt kid,” she told the Insider. “I can’t tell you how hard it was, but I couldn’t find mine. There were only 200 people, and there were more than 500 onboard the cruiser. Where were the others? We looked in Krasnodar, and everywhere else, we called every place, but we couldn’t find him.”

Other families had reached out to the Shkrebets hoping to find more information.

“We were contacted by three families from Yalta, Alupka and St Petersburg, whose children are also missing, also conscripts,” her husband wrote on Monday, adding they had submitted a written request for more information at the local enlistment office.

“We need written answers to our questions about finding our children, not text messages with pictures and prayers,” he said.

Other parents were clearly more fearful of speaking out. Ulyana Tarasova of St Petersburg wrote online: “My son, Tarasov Mark, is missing in action aboard the cruiser Moskva.”

Hours later, her post was gone.

Others who spoke with Russian media have asked for anonymity for fear of facing reprisals from the government.

The mother of another sailor told the Novaya Gazeta Europe website that three missiles had struck the Moskva. She said about 40 people had died, several were missing, and “there are many wounded”.

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