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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I guarantee you if one shows up, its going to get captured by Ukraine given Russia's track record. "Hey, America, how much aid is an intact Armata worth?"
Better for Ukraine, USA and other interested parties to say they "destroyed the Armata(s) in combat" instead of saying they captured them. Afaik there's still some Cold War era treaties between USSR/Russia and U.S. regarding "captured vehicles" about how long either side can hold onto before returning them.
 
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Better for Ukraine, USA and other interested parties to say they "destroyed the Armata(s) in combat" instead of saying they captured them. Afaik there's still some Cold War era treaties between USSR/Russia and U.S. regarding "captured vehicles" about how long either side can hold onto before returning them.
It'll just be reported as "Salvaged from the battlefield", so they don't have to confirm or deny that they were actually destroyed.
 
Better for Ukraine, USA and other interested parties to say they "destroyed the Armata(s) in combat" instead of saying they captured them. Afaik there's still some Cold War era treaties between USSR/Russia and U.S. regarding "captured vehicles" about how long either side can hold onto before returning them.
Okay. Then all Ukraine needs to do is loan any "combat wreckage" to the USA. For an indefinite period of time, naturally, contingent on a certain amount of aid being shipped in. Its not really in US custody if its just collateral.
 
By the way, Tim Pool was actually retarded enough to suggest that Zelenskyy was losing the war in one of his videos today, further lowering my opinion of him and surely yours as well.

He also said that if NATO weren't interfering with Ukraine that Russia would've followed through with their decapitation of Kiev.

Yes, he claims the decapitation move made in the first three days of the war stalled out specifically because of NATO interfering. He is that retarded.

Now if he had said that NATO supplying weapons is the reason they were able to hold off Russia for so long and eventually repel them, then he might've had a point, but he explicitly said that NATO interference was the cause of the stall in the first place.

It's almost like Tim is only checking in on the war once a week and hasn't been paying any real attention to it at all, otherwise why didn't he know about Russia's terrible logistics? Why didn't he mention their derelict trucks with rotted tires, their tanks running out of gasoline on the road toward Kiev and getting hauled by Ukrainian tractors? Why didn't he bring up the 30 mile long convoy that got stuck in its own traffic jam? Why didn't he bring up that Russians drove tanks into ponds and dug trenches at Chernobyl?

Simple, he has no knowledge of the Russian army's abject ineptitude, so when Ukraine is winning he assumes it's because NATO is carrying their weight.
 
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speeding the hard times create hard men
Unironically, the people who keep droning this mantra have a lesser chance to survive through the Apocalypse, because, in an event of catastrophic failure of society, lone wolves and uncooperative "badasses" are considered a liability and are usually hunted by whatever tribes arise as a result.
 
Unironically, the people who keep droning this mantra have a lesser chance to survive through the Apocalypse, because, in an event of catastrophic failure of society, lone wolves and uncooperative "badasses" are considered a liability and are usually hunted by whatever tribes arise as a result.
yeah in a serious collapse situation, what matters more than anything else is having a strong and healthy family to rely on. you can start worrying about being a hardcore tough guy afterwards.
 
Looks like Ukraine has been caught committing war crimes of their own - can’t let Putin run up the score, I suppose.


Neither Ukraine nor Russia are signatories of the Convention on Cluster Munitions.

They can use them however the fuck they want.

Be less of an american-centric boomber and check shit because you heard on CNN we'd "banned cluster munitions".

EDIT: even funnier, the US isn't a signatory either, so can also use them however the fuck they want.
 
Unironically, the people who keep droning this mantra have a lesser chance to survive through the Apocalypse, because, in an event of catastrophic failure of society, lone wolves and uncooperative "badasses" are considered a liability and are usually hunted by whatever tribes arise as a result.

Im fully aware of that, i think thats something people have problem comprehending in some cases, I Know im going to be among the first to die, i have no illusions regarding that. Im fully aware of the consequences of what im pushing.
 
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The current series of Ukrainian war crimes started back in 2014, and their continuation is the reason Russia finally said enough.
Neither Ukraine or Russia (or the US for that matter) are party to the Cluster Munitions Treaty, so it has no bearing on them. Use of cluster munitions on a purely civilian target would be a warcrime, but then again targeting civies is a warcrime anyway.

The cluster bomb thing is really just waving the bloody shirt.

Edit: Looks like @Ponderous Pillock already addressed it.
 
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Unironically, the people who keep droning this mantra have a lesser chance to survive through the Apocalypse, because, in an event of catastrophic failure of society, lone wolves and uncooperative "badasses" are considered a liability and are usually hunted by whatever tribes arise as a result.
Russia itself seems to be a rebuttal of 'hard times create strong men'. Their whole history just looks like a vicious cycle of 'bad times create bad men and bad men continue to perpetuate the cycle of bad times'.
 
Russia itself seems to be a rebuttal of 'hard times create strong men'. Their whole history just looks like a vicious cycle of 'bad times create bad men and bad men continue to perpetuate the cycle of bad times'.
All these stupid, bored Westerners, who are often descendants of immigrants really, really don't know how good they have it.
 

Sending out APCs and other armoured vehicles makes a lot of sense. Stuff which could fuck something up without requiring extensive training. It's also on his "Passover wishlist" but these things sadly do take time. The 100 missing polish tanks likely were the better ones that could be quickly put into service and were dastardly stolen by those sneaky troupe of Dancing Ukranian yaks and taken to the border before anyone realised what was happening.
 
nice gesture but i doubt that the tiny netherlands are in a position to supply meaningful amounts of anything to ukraine
i just hope that the retard chancellor of germany gets the stick out of his ass soon and approves some serious aid. german military industry and army spokesmen have already expressed their desire to deliver large amounts of material (including heavy artillery pieces) to ukraine, but as long as the cuck in chief keeps cockblocking them they can't do shit
 
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nice gesture but i doubt that the tiny netherlands are in a position to supply meaningful amounts of anything to ukraine
i just hope that the retard chancellor of germany gets the stick out of his ass soon and approves some serious aid. german military industry and army spokesmen have already expressed their desire to deliver large amounts of material (including heavy artillery pieces) to ukraine, but as long as the cuck in chief keeps cockblocking them they can't do shit
Believe it or not, the Netherlands used to have a fairly impressive sized military during the Cold War. I know they sold off a lot of material after 91', but I imagine they still must have some stuff leftover.
 
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