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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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All these stupid, bored Westerners, who are often descendants of immigrants really, really don't know how good they have it.

Im sure People just before fall of Roman Empire had it good as well. You seem to believe people that want to cut of infection are sadomasochists because they want to cut off the piece of flesh when that piece of flesh is still functional despite the infection.
 
Something something globohomo, something something jews, something something West bad, something something trannies.
It's okay not to like the globalized world and homosexuality (in my opinion). It's okay to have a prejudice toward Jews but keep it to yourself. It's okay to dislike the West because the West has done many despicable things. It's okay to dislike transsexuals and the culture surrounding them.

But it's hypocritical to want for the West to die, instead of wishing for it to heal or be reborn, while using all the amenities of the West and enjoying its' safety nets and consuming the products.

Sure, the Western civilization will die. Then what?
 
It's okay not to like the globalized world and homosexuality (in my opinion). It's okay to have a prejudice toward Jews but keep it to yourself. It's okay to dislike the West because the West has done many despicable things. It's okay to dislike transsexuals and the culture surrounding them.

But it's hypocritical to want for the West to die, instead of wishing for it to heal or be reborn.

Sure, the Western civilization will die. Then what?

It appears you misunderstand me Vince, its not that i want West to die its that i see West dying as better alternative to having West as Mangled sockpuppet in the hands of hedonistic neoliberal elite. I believe that that its only through going through difficult times that you can find hidden strenght, that it will take a evolution of sorts, adapt or die situation to force that adaption, im not seeing any way to fix west easily as some here might see it. and i do consider dead West better than the living caricature of it.
 
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It appears you misunderstand me Vince, its not that i want West to die its that i see West dying as better alternative to having West as Mangled sockpuppet in the hands of hedonistic neoliberal elite. I believe that that its only through going through difficult times that you can find hidden strenght, that it will take a evolution of sorts, adapt or die situation to force that adaption, im not seeing any way to fix west easily as some here might see it. and i do consider dead West better than the living caricature of it.
The elite was always hedonistic, and always enjoyed a higher standard of living. I don't see what's your particular point in this case.
 
Russia itself seems to be a rebuttal of 'hard times create strong men'. Their whole history just looks like a vicious cycle of 'bad times create bad men and bad men continue to perpetuate the cycle of bad times'.
"Hard times make shitty men" just seems more natural & logical.
 
The elite was always hedonistic, and always enjoyed a higher standard of living. I don't see what's your particular point in this case.
Elite was hedonistic in the time of Augustus as well as during the Fall of Rome. the point i was making is that strong healthy society will be able to survive despite the elite but West today isnt that kind of society.
 
Elite was hedonistic in the time of Augustus as well as during the Fall of Rome. the point i was making is that strong healthy society will be able to survive despite the elite but West today isnt that kind of society.
On what grounds do you consider that? Humans throughout history have bemoaned the state of morals and affairs, yet human civilization continued. What makes you think that this time period is any different?
 
On what grounds do you consider that? Humans throughout history have bemoaned the state of morals and affairs, yet human civilization continued. What makes you think that this time period is any different?

The concept of Human civilisation wasnt destroyed no but Civilisations themselves were.
 
The concept of Human civilisation wasnt destroyed no but Civilisations themselves were.
The Western civilization endured several high and low points at this point and we can trace our lineage to Judaic tradition, which connects us to Babylon and Akkad. History isn't as disjointed as you'd like to think.
 
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On what grounds do you consider that? Humans throughout history have bemoaned the state of morals and affairs, yet human civilization continued. What makes you think that this time period is any different?
the greeks bemoaned it. they ended up getting conquered and subjugated by the romans.
the romans bemoaned it. they also ended up getting conquered and subjugated by germanic barbarians.
probably some in the abbasid caliphate bemoaned it too, before they got overrun and wiped out by the mongolians.
now we are in the same position... doesn't bode well for the future.
 
The Western civilization endured several high and low points at this point and we can trace our lineage to Judaic tradition, which connects us to Babylon and Akkad. History isn't as disjointed as you'd like to think.

Look Vince just like Your Great Great Great Great Great grandfather doesnt define your life so too doesnt Babylon define Western Civilisation. Lineage of the past doesnt dictate the Present.
 
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the greeks bemoaned it. they ended up getting conquered and subjugated by the romans.
the romans bemoaned it. they also ended up getting conquered and subjugated by germanic barbarians.
probably some in the abbasid caliphate bemoaned it too, before they got overrun and wiped out by the mongolians.
now we are in the same position... doesn't bode well for the future.
The rulers change and strife will always happen. Doesn't mean the end of the culture, advancement or even morals. We tend to gravitate to the same moral set of rules, which suggests (at least to me) a bigger force at play.

I just don't understand why would people want the death of the West.

>Lineage of the past doesnt dictate the Present.

I am making a point about continuity. The Western civilization, in its fullest form, has existed for several millennia now. It went through iterations but it wasn't extinguished and there's no indication that it will be extinguished now.
 
The rulers change and strife will always happen. Doesn't mean the end of the culture, advancement or even morals. We tend to gravitate to the same moral set of rules, which suggests (at least to me) a bigger force at play.

I just don't understand why would people want the death of the West.
by that line of thinking, you might as well just tell zelensky to surrender the country to the russians lol
i mean, rulers change, not the end of the world, right? just roll over and let putins red army denazify you, no big deal
 
by that line of thinking, you might as well just tell zelensky to surrender the country to the russians lol
i mean, rulers change, not the end of the world, right? just roll over and let putins red army denazify you, no big deal
Russians arguably do not belong to the Western paradigm, they are more Asiatic in philosophy and approach to life. This war is an existential war.

This is also one of the existential questions that have plagued Russia since its inception - where it belongs.
 
The rulers change and strife will always happen. Doesn't mean the end of the culture, advancement or even morals. We tend to gravitate to the same moral set of rules, which suggests (at least to me) a bigger force at play.

I just don't understand why would people want the death of the West.

>Lineage of the past doesnt dictate the Present.

I am making a point about continuity. The Western civilization, in its fullest form, has existed for several millennia now. It went through iterations but it wasn't extinguished and there's no indication that it will be extinguished now.

You are making point about continuity and yet you ignore ship of theseus. But fine I will bite. What are the iterations of Western Civilisations ? just some of them, should be easy to provide since you are arguing continuity.
 
nice gesture but i doubt that the tiny netherlands are in a position to supply meaningful amounts of anything to ukraine
i just hope that the retard chancellor of germany gets the stick out of his ass soon and approves some serious aid. german military industry and army spokesmen have already expressed their desire to deliver large amounts of material (including heavy artillery pieces) to ukraine, but as long as the cuck in chief keeps cockblocking them they can't do shit

They're phasing out their 1700 Wolf vehicles which are basically VW G Wagens which they slammed whatever weapons systems onto they felt they could get away with. We're talking AA platforms, AT platforms, heavy machine guns, grenade launchers etc etc. On top of that, you can easily move fireteams around in them, and load in a half decent amount of logistical supplies.

1200 perfectly good DAF trucks are also due for partial replacement with not that many disposals currently on the cards, so could soon be diverted to Ukraine as well.

15 or so FH70 Howitzers are in storage

Bunch of mortars are also due replacement either this year or next, so can soon be sent off early.

Those would make a fair difference considering and go some way to removing any Ukranian losses so far suffered.
 
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