Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Don't Tread on Me]

She's meh.
But one big point in her favor is that she kept being an opposition leader rather than join the national embarassment that is Draghi 1.
A broad goverment you may call it,essentially they achieved globohomo's wildest dream and put a ghoul from the banking world in a leading position with the general applause of everyone.

It's a shame but thankfully it's already falling apart because everyone is fucking incompetent.

Also Mommy "big" meloni can capitalize on being a woman and having a broad support of right-wing patriots and dissatisfied people from every social strata.
Issue is our political system is rigged towards ungodly compromises and thats where globohomo reigns supreme.

Edit: what the fuck xenforo
Also for the doomers who believe no change can happen remember that gas can and will reach 3 euros per liter if current fuckery continues and that all costs of the pandemic are now being rendered unto the citizen with all the unpleasentness that follows suit.

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Forgot to add that she will make anime real and has used yuri anime for propaganda posters

Based disgusting weeb who is likely a closet fujoshi. When is the election?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Uhhh, you don't get to pretend...

I'll leave that to you.

I never said they weren't brave.
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Like I said earlier, it's a thin line between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" - that line typically being whether or not the AngloZio-American World Power finds you useful.

The Afghan people who drove out the Soviets were brave. But they were being used as proxy forces for the US.

And?

I mean, sure, the US seized an opportunity, but it's not like there was no Afghan resistance or that it wouldn't have fought without Western aid. But...... so? Unless your argument is that the Afghans would have never even have tried to stop the Soviet invasion without Western aid and, therefore, the LPR and DPR are only seeking independence from the corrupt [most corrupt in the world, so the press said pre-invasion] and decidedly illegitimate coup regime in Kiev because the Russians are now aiding them, I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be. And even if that's your point......who cares?

Being brave has nothing to do with the nature of the conflict.

Nor did I suggest that it did. I made an off-hand remark about a single variable in the whole thing given this attempt to paint the Ukroswine as some sort of uber-heroes when they're nothing of the sort. Only you know why you've seized on that to the degree you have.

You came here presenting a one-sided view of the war...

Hardly. There's a shit-ton of nuance to this entire sordid affair, and there's a lot of "wrong" [for lack of a better term] on all sides and in all camps.

...there would be no deaths if Russia wasn't using their glowie ops to get what they want.

If you think that, you're out of touch with reality.

There's several forms of control. One thing people are saying - that I happen to agree with - is that when the UK had a referendum to leave the EU, much salt was collected from Eurotard tears but eventually they were allowed to leave. When Ukraine wanted to leave the Russian sphere of influence, it got bombed the fuck out.

Right... it was Moscow that was behind the 2014 coup all along.

As for the rest of your applies-to-orange-bowling-balls comparison, the UK wanting to leave the UK wasn't about trying to cut itself off from trade and other relations with EU nations, but about not wanting to see its sovereignty further eroded by a political block that's determined to become a power unto itself irrespective of the wishes of all its member nations - which it doesn't see as "nations" but as, at best, provinces - and with no consideration for their national/ethnic identities.

Nothing then or now precluded Ukraine from having relations with it's not-Russia neighbors - except for the fact that the EU didn't want Ukraine as a trading partner in an equal relationship, but as a vassal state that renounced any sort of meaningful relationship with Russia. And while this is certainly something the oligarchs financing the extreme ethno-nationalist movements that basically control Ukraine now, I don't see any indication that it's something the people of that nation want. Their "European Pivot" certainly hasn't been good for the average Ukrainian, if the graphs making the rounds in the earlier part of this thread and the last one were accurate.

 

[draggs]

Bruh, they literally said that they want to put current Ukrainian government on trail

Every evening on Russian TV you have people raving like lunatics that it will require 30 or 40 years to de-Nazify Ukraine but no Russia doesn't want to control Ukraine lolwut

 

[IKOL]

We will have territorial disputes with them. But the question will be this: Ukraine will return to its borders of 1991, right after collapse of USSR or 1920s, before USSR attacked Ukraine.

Get off your fucking delirium pills, dolboeb...

That's the only dispute that will be discussed.

For fucks sake, no, you're wrong. That's not going to be the only dispute you fool, the most important will be how much of kids you're about to send to globohomo for their Antichrist rituals and rape each weak\month\year. The most important one.
But if you will win this skirmish. If not - the only actual dispute will be how much the Russian bags of dick you degenerates will chocking on. Literally.

Ukraine will begin rapid development of its economy and we will be joining EU in a couple of years. As a strong country. As one of the largest European economies. It can't be any other way. Here we've discussed out country. Let's get ready.

I like how infantile and naive this take is. Reminds me of these youtube NPC encounters, same energy.

Redditors hate communism because communists were thin, sometimes promoted healthy lifestyles, and didn’t have funko pops. I don’t think you can turn a redditor into anything worthwhile.

Why, you can turn them into air raid siren alright. What would you use to make them as such is a whole different thread of a matter.

 

[Fools Idol]

I don't believe Russia wants to control Ukraine long-term, nor do I think they're particularly interested in "regime change", though I suspect they would like to see whatever regime is in power rein in the extremist ethno-nationalist element that's creating a great deal of the chaos.

Why invade (regardless of who you think is responsible for starting the war) if it isn't for a regime change? Why would the Russians leave Ukraine in this hypothetical situation with the countries gov being antagonistic to Russia?

I don't see where Russia is interested in keeping the so-called "Ukrainian" people from either developing an identity or having relations with other nations, though I'm sure they [and this would be true of any nation] wish to protect their interests there. Their opposition to the EU trade agreement that Yanukovych didn't want to go along with unless it included significantly more capital investment wasn't so much about keeping Ukraine from doing business with the EU, but about trying to bring about a "tripartite" agreement that would have benefited everyone. The EU, being the EU, basically told Yanukovych that he could either do business with them or with Russia, not both. Of course Russia, which already had trade agreements with Ukraine, objected to that, as did Yanukovych. So, naturally, he put on the brakes.

Do you not think that just proves the point that the Russians need a regime change? The Russians have objectives that they can't achieve while Ukraine is an independent nation or at least independent enough to have international relationships outside of Russia's control.

I'm interested in how you think you can "rein in the extremist ethno-nationalist element" that is apparently responsible for this conflict, while also retaining an national identity after an invasion? Also, would you like to clarify why you have put the word Ukrainian in quotation marks? Are you suggesting that they don't have national identity or that isn't a valid one?

 

[Elbereth]

Tangentially related, but it seems like the EU will be cutting off their nose to spite their face shortly. There is strong rumour that the EU will implement a full embargo on Russian oil after the French election is over (lol Zerohedge, but Reuters is reporting it).

With what that move would do to energy prices best get ready for Summer of Love 2.0: the Worldwide Electric Boogaloo Edition.

Currently Russian oil is selling for 71 USD per barrel. It is said their budget breaks even at 69 USD per barel. Oil export accounts for 1/3 of Russia budget. They have their financial reserves frozen, they sold a lot of gold to keep rubel afloat. They had their technical default recently.

It would put Russian spending on a massive stress. At some point they might have to directly print money into economy just to keep it running.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Which is, I adree, is exceptionally retarded, yet we ruskie Kiwis are still there.
A fucking mystery, y'know...

Soviet Kiwis sneaking into the mainframe to shitpost

 

[UVB-76]

Like I said earlier, it's a thin line between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" - that line typically being whether or not the AngloZio-American World Power finds you useful.

Maybe there's a communication issue here. Who said anyone was a terrorist? What does Saddam have to do with this?
The only point I made was that the thousands of deaths weren't based on Ukraine oppressing people for kicks, but a two-sided conflict where Russia is backing separatist forces.

I mean, sure, the US seized an opportunity, but it's not like there was no Afghan resistance or that it wouldn't have fought without Western aid. But...... so? Unless your argument is that the Afghans would have never even have tried to stop the Soviet invasion without Western aid and, therefore, the LPR and DPR are only seeking independence from the corrupt [most corrupt in the world, so the press said pre-invasion] and decidedly illegitimate coup regime in Kiev because the Russians are now aiding them, I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be. And even if that's your point......who cares?

The argument is that you're somehow trying to pretend being a proxy force means not being brave... which isn't the point.
Again, the pro-Russia president fled the country after fucking up his response to protests. Like I said,

Right... it was Moscow that was behind the 2014 coup all along.

No, but their response to the coup was murdering 298 innocent people via 9K37 Buk.

Their "European Pivot" certainly hasn't been good for the average Ukrainian, if the graphs making the rounds in the earlier part of this thread and the last one were accurate.

Yeah, I wonder what might have happened to hinder their growth? Might have been seizure of territory and a civil war?

 

[St.Davis]

Currently Russian oil is selling for 71 USD per barrel. It is said their budget breaks even at 69 USD per barel. Oil export accounts for 1/3 of Russia budget. They have their financial reserves frozen, they sold a lot of gold to keep rubel afloat. They had their technical default recently.

It would put Russian spending on a massive stress. At some point they might have to directly print money into economy just to keep it running.

Who said it?

 

[Ilfitir]

Why invade (regardless of who you think is responsible for starting the war) if it isn't for a regime change?

To steal their microwaves and washing machines! Also - to annex all of southern coast and make Swineland landlocked.

 

[Farmer Y]

Hell of a shot.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I swear, american culture is centered around nigger. We could discuss Russian invasion on Ukraine and all they can think about is niggers.

Where’s the copypasta?

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Zelensky, who has banned all 11 opposition parties and consolidated all TV channels under one govt-approved source, is "the leader of the free world."

Good to know what "free world" actually means.

To answer the question, it’s already embarrassing. And people wonder why Russia has supporters.

if someone sent me a picture of my dead son abandoned on the side of the road, I'd take that as a mockery, and it would only make me and others start demanding a full scale war. Whoever came with this idea is really out of touch with how people react to the deads of loved ones

It’s like they WANT things to escalate because of how deep rooted their hatred is.

 

[AnOminous]

And for anyone that forgot, Russia already used the random ammo explosion excuse once this week. That definitely wasn't embarrassing.

No, no, the Ukrainians didn't get that tank, our tanks just blow up for no reason all the time!

 

[IKOL]

With Russias performance in this war? Absolutely.

I see no major problems with performance except a few:
1. sunk "Moskva" (that's a real hit on Naval forces reputation
2. Whole VDV shitshow (it's still not clear what the fuck was that to me, really. Okay they have had a bunch of successful ops but in the overal picture they've fucked up the most. Uncle Vasya would've been pissed very much have he to be alive to this day)
3. Logistics, which were, I agree, quite poorly managed at some point and were tanking certain ops. Was it deliberate or not is yet to be investigated futher)

They suffered a defeat in detail in the opening stages of the conflict.

Defeat? My nigga, they managed to act on par with defending side which have an obvious benefits in home ground and foreign supplies, and perform a series of fast strikes and captures. I can't tell that's really a defeat, because it's not, surely not a textbook performance but for the slavic shithole (which both Russia and Ukraine are, I'd like to be honest here) quite a decent job netherless. Plus, have in mind that for certain time the troops had strict orders for not invoking civil casualties, because MOD cabinet genetards were wanted to get this clean and efficient. You can't get efficient result without get dirty, at all, it is inevitable to get your hands not completely clear.

Letting an inferior force hand you your ass because you failed to concentrate tactically is the root of every upset in military history.

May I ask, have you had any form of military history lessons in school, by chance? I had, for example. And I aware that there's no war in human history where any side of conflict had only constant gains and wins\only constant failures. It's always a mixed bag of both, and there's nothing to be ashamed about.
Also, I'm wondering, are you Polish by chance? I know @Elbereth is but I don't see his messages due to his clearly not healthy vision of reality.

Now they are making ANOTHER mistake. Launching an adhoc offensive to try and recover from the prior defeat.

And what was the prior defeat, I wonder? Seriously you spek like Russian forces are already fucking lost fucking everything and yet they SOMEHOW manage to keep getting gains in all this bullshit war? Man, either stop taking whatver pills you get or refresh your program with more fresh and open code.

This entire Donbas offensive seems rushed.

Rushed how, exactly? For fuck sake first you and some retards imply that all this shit should have ended week 1, now you say "it's very rushed". GET SOME FUCKING CONSISTENCY IN YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE.

The Ukrainian forces in the Donbas are their regular army units.

Yes let's forget that "Right sector", "AzoG" and "Aidar" (btw where are these fuckfaces on the battlefield? What the fuck? Are they AWOL or something?), there are only regular ukie marines that happily use civvies as living shields. Okay.

The best trained, and with access to all the toys.

Having IDKFA irl does not guaarantee IDDQD and certainly not guarantee a character with IDKFA turned "on" will actually succed.
Why am I explain such a simple thing to you is beyond my comprehention, and I'm not even drunk yet.

They needed to take a month, wait for the spring rains to stop turning the Steppe into mud, and allow their units to get properly organized for the offensive.

And let Ukraine to regroup and fortify along the way as well? Nah fuck that.

nstead they are going leeroy Jenkins because Putin wants this wrapped up by May.

He's expecting to wrap shit up on Donbass close to May, 9th. I can't blame him for being such an optimist but realistically, yes, that's not close to what reality would deliver. The whole offensive would surely end up, but way later. Donbass case, at the very best, will be closed somewhere near June\July as I can see it.

It's not going to work.

It's going to work, don't lose hope yet. You'll get liberated for that Chechen foreskin later, surely.

 

[kuuu]

I think this wasn't posted yet:
"Well, now I'm gonna show you how evil Russians treat Ukrainian POWs. Right now Ukrainian combatant from 95th brigade is being operated on by Russian medics. Saving his life, really."

Spoiler: NSFW - blood

 

[IKOL]

Ffs byuu cultist are messing up with DDoS again.

Calm the fuck down, motherfuckers! Or no, wait, I have better idea. Join Ukraine volunteers in their futile attempt to crush the ruskie bear.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Why invade (regardless of who you think is responsible for starting the war) if it isn't for a regime change?

Unlike some of our fellow Kiwis commenting here I don't have - nor do I purport to have - the ability to read minds, so I can only speculate; I have a hard time believing the Russians actually thought that forcing regime change on the Ukrainians was actually a possibility with the force they brought to bear against the force they were going to be fighting. Additionally, assault against the breakaway regions had been ramping up for months before the invasion, as had AFU forces in the area. I doubt the Russians seriously believed this was a precursor to an invasion, so the only reason for the presence of those forces was an all-out assault on the rebels. With that area pacified, and given the fact that naZielensky made a big show of hosting US wargames and was beating his chest about wanting nukes, it stands to reason they believed that the region would become a hot zone at some point in the future.

In my view, the primary point of this conflict is to deny the US/EU/NATO a forward operating location in Eastern Ukraine and show that they're serious about not wanting more nukes on their border.

I don't necessarily approve of their way of going about it, but trying to negotiate with an adversary that's been bound and determine to get missiles into that region for at least twenty years wasn't getting them anywhere.

Why would the Russians leave Ukraine in this hypothetical situation with the countries gov being antagonistic to Russia?

Good question; perhaps it's enough to illustrate that while the AFU has put up a fight they aren't really much of a threat to Russia and that if they're intent on making trouble the Russians are going to deal with it on Ukraine's doorstep.

Do you not think that just proves the point that the Russians need a regime change?

The world is enamored with the cross-dressing song-and-dance man right now, it's true, and while he'd had some degree of appeal, upon election he did the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do when he was running. Time will tell what becomes of him, but I suspect at some point a more level-headed figure will emerge, particularly if the extremist factions take a beating in this conflict - which they seem to be.

The Russians have objectives that they can't achieve while Ukraine is an independent nation or at least independent enough to have international relationships outside of Russia's control.

I'm not convinced "control" - in the sense that, among others, @UVB-76 means - is the ultimate objective.

I'm interested in how you think you can "rein in the extremist ethno-nationalist element" that is apparently responsible for this conflict, while also retaining an national identity after an invasion?

That's a hard question to answer given I don't know what Ukraine's "national identity" is supposed to be. I know what some of these falsely-called "right wing" groups, GayZov being the most frequently mentioned shiny thing, but hardly the only such group, see the "Ukrainian" identity being vehemently opposed to anything and everything "Russian", and all things "Ukrainian" being superior to all else, but I don't believe that's a view held by the majority of the people of that nation.

If you know what this "national identity" supposedly is, please tell me.

Also, would you like to clarify why you have put the word Ukrainian in quotation marks? Are you suggesting that they don't have national identity or that isn't a valid one?

Is simply hating the people, language and culture of a neighboring nation that you share countless similarities with a valid "national identity"?

 

[Uncle Buck]

The only point I made was that the thousands of deaths weren't based on Ukraine oppressing people for kicks, but a two-sided conflict where Russia is backing separatist forces.

The weren't oppressing them "for kicks", but because the people of those regions no longer wanted to be a part of the nation known as Ukraine. If you imagine the only reason that was the case was because of some sort of Russian malfeasance then, again, I believe you're out of touch with reality.

Again, the pro-Russia president fled the country after fucking up his response to protests. Like I said,

How "pro-Russia" he was is very much debatable, particularly if you followed the events as they happened. And the reason that he fled the country is because there was a legitimate threat of massive violence, with him as the primary target, and a wholesale effort on the part of pretty much the entire government of the country to do nothing on his behalf to prevent it.

All organically generated, and that over a mediocre trade deal, of course. /sarcasm

Yeah, I wonder what might have happened to hinder their growth? Might have been seizure of territory and a civil war?

I know it's outside your ability to comprehend, but the people of Crimea did not want to be a part of Ukraine, the same way the people of the LPR and DPR don't want to be.

But hey, at least the people of Crimea only got their water shut off rather than bombed. Maybe Russia should have moved in to those places sooner, and a lot of people summarily murdered by the illegitimate coup regime in Kiev for nothing worse than not wanting to be "Ukrainian" might still be alive.

 

[White_N]

More than 120 civilians left Azovstal.

In the village of Borovaya, the center of the eponymous district in the Kharkiv region of Ukraine, humanitarian aid began to arrive almost immediately after the end of the fighting.

Humanitarian aid from Russia was brought to the Izyumsky district of the Kharkiv region.

 

[IKOL]

I'm pro-Ukraine as well. Putin respects women too much. Two thumbs up for feminists? gtfo.

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Two tits, two tumbs. No issue there.

What's your problem there, then? I can't see any.