Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Getting tard comed]

You're comparing a wartime situation with a potential political machination. I'm mostly avoiding responding to your point about the 2020 elections because I have no dog in that particular fight and by changing the parameters of conversation, I am opening myself to other arguments against which I cannot properly defend myself.

You made a claim:

For a lie to be believable, it has to be steeped in the truth.

You did not limit it to "war time acts" you didn't limit it to country actions. You made a general claim and I pointed out a specific example that refutes that claim. A lie does not need to be steeped in truth at all for it to be believable. In fact, the original evilest man(hint today he's the bday boy) on earth came up with a moniker called The Big Lie for the exact situation where someone tells a lie so ridiculous people's default reaction is it has to be true. No goal posts have been moved. You're just wrong. It's OK to be wrong. Accept it, learn from it and move on.

 

[Simpadoo]

17% Interest Rates (Basically bribing people to hold Rubles by giving them more rubles)

Russian's who get foreign currency income are required now to convert 80% to Rubles within a month or so. (propping up the Ruble)

Days away from a national default on foreign debts, potentially causing many decades of very expensive borrowing rates.

Block people from leaving the country with any sizable amount of foreign currency, no matter how clean the money is.

Much higher transaction fees on exchanging between Foreign Currency and Ruble.

Imports into Russia from the west on goods Russia can't make, which is most things that require more than a high school education. Those Imports are down from either foreigners blocking those imports into Russia or foreigners not willing to front the capitol before those imports are sold. Causing Russian oil exports to generate a large trade imbalance.

Foreigners not being able to sell stocks they legally own on the Russian exchange, which is theft. Probably causing people who have a lot of money to never trust Russia again, looking else where to generate money. Property rights are a massive deal to rich people in sketchy countries.

Anyone with a few thousand dollars and a desirable skill are leaving Russia, going so far as to fly to Mexico to get asylum in the US. This is a massive brain drain on the scale of the 1990s.

Russia waking up Europe to the reality that Russia doesn't give a shit about nation boarders, and Europe depending on Russian fuels didn't stop Russia from expansionism. So Europe is on course away from the interdependence model and onto the independence model away from Russia. Which will absolutely screw over a petro state like Russia, even if they only manage partial independence.

All is fine in Russia, nothing to see here.

The brain drain can’t happen…wait, it can! Lol.
None of the points made weaken Russia. It seems they have outmaneuvered the West again.

They can’t keep getting away with it!!!!

 

[White_N]

And there is a lot of evidence that the Russians didn't do it.

There is a lot of evidence corroborating the theory that the Russian Armed Forces had massacred civilians in Bucha among other areas outside Kiev. Eye-witness accounts, satellite images, mass graves that are far more likely to have been dug up during Russia's occupation, and so on. Occam's makes Russia the likeliest candidate to have carried out these summary executions.

Russian rations given to civilians found near corpses

About Buchа
Another point worth paying attention to is the scattered Russian dry rations.
The National Security forces mistook these people for saboteurs/loyalists and killed them.
I don't see any point in the Russians feeding them first and then killing them. It defies any logic.
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Among the piles of dead, there were quite a few white armbands.

You can't be this retarded. Oh wait, you absolutely can!

Gerashchenko lost the entire information and psychological operation of Kiev in Bucha. Right in front of dozens of foreign journalists, a body with a white armband is carried past him.

I wonder if at least one of the dozens of these reporters will wonder what this bandage is and what it means. And it means exactly that the man was lynched by the Ukrainian security forces themselves for this particular bandage as an identification mark of the Russian forces.
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The mayor of the city didn't say anything about corpses when the Russians left, and only started talking about it when the Ukrainian Safari came "to deal with Russian collaborators and supporters."


I would stay undecided if the request for investigation was not ignored and the world propaganda machine didn't just assume it was Russians.


But now? I'm out of fucks to give.

 

[draggs]

Reports coming in from Kadyrov that Rubizhne has been taken.

What the fuck are the Ukrainians doing? This war may either see two of the best organized retreats ever seen (one on each side) or be decided by how good both armies were at leaving. Fucking gay.

Celebrating Hitler's birthday

Wit da sweet leaf

 

[Vince McMahon]

He's comparing one lie to another. You stated that a lie "needs a kernel of truth to be believable", he provided an example where this was not the case. You are deflecting.

To qualify that "Joe Biden won the 2020 election legally" was a lie, I need to side with the party that denies it, thus making me a part of the conversation about it.
Your government says it was a fair election and all people who say otherwise are ideologically motivated and do not have a dispassionate motive to investigate the truth. There's no independent verification of that being either a lie or truth.

I do know that the Russian Army has previous committed punitive actions against civilians, as it has been independently verified.

You made a general claim and I pointed out a specific example that refutes that claim.

You made a statement about the situation with no independent verification of it is truth or a lie. I respectfully still ask you to not involve American politics in this.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

I literally do not care who wins as long as we get some comfy explosion footage I can watch from my sofa.

 

[AGPinochet]

What the fuck are the Ukrainians doing?

Fleeing in the face of the Muscovite Orc WAAAAAAAAAAGH!

 

[White_N]

The hell does that mean other than "yeah the Russians did it and those other guys deserved it"?

What the fuck are you talking about?

It means if one side puts civilians between themselves and opposing forces, civilians are going to die.

It is well documented that mojaheds were hiding in crowds when shooting at Russian troops, so fire in retaliation would hit civilians.
If Ukrainian civilians were not allowed to leave cities that were in an active warzone, guess what would happen to them if they were hit by a random artillery strike?

But nah, it's Russian bots justifying genoside, of course.

 

[Getting tard comed]

You made a statement about the situation with no independent verification of it is truth or a lie. I respectfully still ask you to not involve American politics in this.

Ignoring the audit in Arizona and the truth of the situation on its face. Fine here are some more:

The covid 19 vaccines are safe and effective.
The world is flat.
Men and women are the same in every way.
A man can become a woman.
A woman can become a man.
A man can get pregnant and have a baby.
All inequalities seen are due to bigotry and discrimination.

Do you need more examples or will you stop obfuscating and acknowledge what you said was wrong?

Mind you, I'm not even disputing that Russians may have committed atrocities although I don't believe it.

Edit: Spelling errors so Putin doesn't nuke us.

 

[St.Davis]

To qualify that "Joe Biden won the 2020 election legally" was a lie, I need to side with the party that denies it, thus making me a part of the conversation about it.
Your government says it was a fair election and all people who say otherwise are ideologically motivated and do not have a dispassionate motive to investigate the truth. There's no independent verification of that being either a lie or truth.

My government?

"My" government is also ideologically motivated, you're making a ludicrously flimsy argument here.

I do know that the Russian Army has previous committed punitive actions against civilians, as it has been independently verified.

Independently verified by whom? I wonder if their motives are 100%, undeniably dispassionate.

Please, stop deflecting.

 

[IKOL]

So people call me a "nagging fishwife" and say that I add nothing of substance, yet these wild theories are a-okay? Interesting.

By launching into conspiratorial, unproven rhetoric, how exactly does one add any substance?

I dunno, maybe?
Perhaps you should ask your fellow СБУ and Zelensky personally? We all are quite curious, because their statement falling under conspiratorial, unproven rhetoric. You as negrater of Kiev sure shall be aware of this fact.

The capture of the basements of Azovstal by Russian hordes of orcs and goblins, collorised.
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Oh hey, where did they get my Rammstein tour trip photo?

 

[White_N]

Reports coming in from Kadyrov that Rubizhne has been taken.

What the fuck are the Ukrainians doing? This war may either see two of the best organized retreats ever seen (one on each side) or be decided by how good both armies were at leaving. Fucking gay.

From Kadyrov

"As we expected, the city of Rubezhnoye in the Luhansk People's Republic came under the final control of Russian troops. Fighters of the Training Center of the SOBR "Akhmat", together with Russian servicemen and units of the People's militia of the LPR, squeezed out Nazi trash from the territory of the city.

The deputy commander of the unit, Hasein Muduev, hoisted our banner at the entrance to the city. Now every follower of the Bandera ideology will think a hundred times before taking a step towards the Milestone. Even if he dares, this step will cost him extremely dearly, since the Chechen security forces have firmly established themselves in the city and have already begun round-the-clock protection of its residents."

 

[Vince McMahon]

Independently verified by whom? I wonder if their motives are 100%, undeniably dispassionate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novye_Aldi_massacre

Memorial has confirmed it and corroborated words by inhabitants of the village and it was considered a war crime per Estamirov and others v. Russia, see here: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-77396

What are the potential motives for a rights organization to lie about an event like that?

 

[Orange Man Costume]

I literally do not care who wins as long as we get some comfy explosion footage I can watch from my sofa.

Well unfortunately for this whole thread, the Ukrainians essentially banned explosion footage, unless its theirs, which is either rare, or blurred/downressed copies of Russian footage, flipped as their own.

IMO that's when the thread really lost it's steam, we won't get to see exploded Redditor bases anymore.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Do you have proof of this situation that can settle it beyond plausible deniability?

Nope. Some of images of the bodies are suspect from a timeline perspective and there's an overabundance of dead civvies with white armbands. That's about it. For some reason, nobody is in a rush to investigate.

It is a more reasonable explanation than either side doing anything for bloodlust or 4d PR chess though. Katsaps would've still killed people either way during the period of their invasion and occupation, just not as much and not for retarded orc reasons.

 

[Vince McMahon]

overabundance of dead civvies with white armbands.

I don't think those were armbands.

 

[AGPinochet]

Fighters of the Training Center of the SOBR "Akhmat"

I had suspected that SOBR team members were on the ground amongst Chechen Forces but this confirms it. For those unaware a SOBR team is like an American SWAT Team but Russian. The Chechen SOBR Teams are by far the largest in the country due to their persistent counterterror mission, before the war they had about 300 members IIRC. Here is a video by a Jewish Midget on some Chechen SOBR gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBED4Fo5LQo

In other news Wikipedia states that more than 5,000,000 Refugees have fled Ukraine as of today. Ukranian Demography gets bleaker by the hour.

 

[White_N]

I don't think those were armbands.

How about this one?

 

[IKOL]

Not a good look to who? Fucking awesome if the hohols are even half as based as the mujahideen

Great, now we have Al-Qaeda fanboys in thread.
Oh fuck me... -_-

Footage of the launch of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile from the Plesetsk cosmodrome

Devil Jr. on the trip, oh dear...

Feel free to disagree, but I don't believe the Ukroswine have anywhere near the staying power of the Afghans.

Nrither their will for freedom and performing highest of Allah's wills\demands.

Russians have still committed violence against the civilian population. If you're going about it, then a lot of that action was of a retributive kind, thus targeting civilians as revenge for whatever was inflicted previously.
If you're trying to shift the focus from killing civilians to comparing Ukrainians to Islamists, then it's not a gotcha you think it is.

You seem to forget that a lot of those civvies were armed up. It happened that even women ad children have carried weapons and used them against infidels. It's nothing surprising here really, it was done before by Hitler with his Volstrum and Hitler's youth, same shit what you beloved president of Ukraine pushed in motion when ordered to give each and everyone a weapon to carry out "the defence", while in fact he have intentionally enforced a lot of civillians become combatants which later would be used for "ruskie orcs kill civvies biden nuke em all!!!" kind of whining.
Or you want to tell us it is not true and all these armed civvies are Putin's agitprop?

 

[Orange Man Costume]

What are the potential motives for a rights organization to lie about an event like that?

IIRC pressure from the US is how OPCW ended up lieing about the Syria chemical attacks.